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Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
pwilly said:
Agreed.

Strummer, nobody is buying this line of you referring to ‘which Marinakis’. If that comment about our owner isn’t acceptable behaviour on the forum just admit it and apologize.

But it can’t be one rule for you and one for others. Instead you lecture other people on how they should speak on here. It’s funny how people from a certain political ideology like to control what is allowed to be said.

I’ve reported your comment, but suspect it will have as much effect as complaining to PGMOL about referees and VAR.
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You're not, others aren't, but don't speak for me and everyone else please chap. Some of us are happy to see a bit of piss-taking lighten up the forum.
 
Lefkasman

Lefkasman

Steve Chettle
Must say it does amuse me the amount of people that expect a Greek to back down from an argument.
It's a national pastime, being played out in every cafe in Greece at this moment. Bless em, and thanks for the hours of endless entertainment.
At least that's all it usually is, an argument, and doesn't end up with folk rolling about in the street full of ale trying to punch each other.

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Fitzcarraldo

Fitzcarraldo

Ian Storey-Moore
One of the points raised in the report speaks to a point I raised earlier about calculating risk. The report states that EM believed we would be competing in mid-table after the investment made - 12th (I think) is mentioned.

First, even after the investment made, the total value of the squad was/is not mid-table when compared to the other runners and riders. Recalling my earlier posts on the subject, I think we were/are 16th/17th. This is an important metric as, when applied to previous seasons, it is generally a good predictor of final standings. Particularly, at the bottom-end.

However, this point alone is an argument against the current model and how it disadvantages promoted clubs who will, by any reasonable measurement, have a weaker/less valuable squad than the rest of the division.

Coming back to the point regards risk. If EM genuinely believed we would be mid-table (12th), then it isn't a leap to believe he will have factored this into his risk planning and reached the conclusion that we would be able to absorb any likely future point deduction and still be above water.

If this last point is true, he deserves all of the criticism coming his way as the numbers do not, and never have correlated to his belief.

As far as I can see, the only fact to emerge in all of this is that Cooper did a remarkable job keeping us up last year.
 
Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Morpeth said:
Unless it’s about how Steve looked. Which was also not on.
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Never bothered me

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Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Lefkasman said:
Must say it does amuse me the amount of people that expect a Greek to back down from an argument.
It's a national pastime, being played out in every cafe in Greece at this moment. Bless em, and thanks for the hours of endless entertainment.
At least that's all it usually is, an argument, and doesn't end up with folk rolling about in the street full of ale trying to punch each other.

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That's where they're going wrong. Get to the scrapping quickly, get it out your system, and then you can get back to the slurping and lurching! :ROFLMAO:
 
Chappers85

Chappers85

Can't Play Left-Back
Brian Fantana said:
For anyone who hasn’t been able to read the report yet I’ve prepared a quick timeline of the key events. Excuse the poor AI image, I’m no Alf

May 2022

The good ship, Lady Forest of Nottingham, arrives in the Premier Port in a state of disrepair.

August 2022

Lavishly upgraded with parts not overly fit for purpose, and crewman prone to injury, she sets sail into difficult waters.

September 2022

Lackey Bonsor reports that briefly after setting off, the Lady Forest of Nottingham is heading in the direction of an iceberg. Nobody listens. Some passengers notice there doesn’t appear to be any running water on board.

December 2022

Lackey Bonsor, now growing concerned, squeals again that the ship needs to take action to avoid the iceberg. Duke Marinakis, turning towards Chairman Vrentzos, albeit slower than the ship itself, says “You hear something?”

January 2023

Future scapegoat Bonsor, increasingly animated, bangs on the window pointing wildly towards the iceberg. Duke Marinakis, misunderstanding, instructs Chairman Vrentzos and Captain Cooper to set a course straight at the iceberg and increase speed. Possibly out of pity, the ship takes on two expensive geriatric crew from passing Arab trawler, the Al-Howay.

March 2023

An old, decaying ship, the Grand Evertonian, steams past the Lady Forest of Nottingham and she strikes the iceberg first. She’s been in these waters for years though, and truth be told, not many will be sad to see her sink.

July 2023

Despite months of opportunity to set a new course, and already witnessing the Grand Evertonian come a cropper, disaster strikes. At approximately 00:01 on the 1st July 2023, the historic and quite beautiful Lady Forest of Nottingham strikes the iceberg head on.

August 2023

Duke Marinakis, enters the engine room. Whilst not able to visually see that his feet are wet, he feels the cold water lapping at his ankles. He instructs Chairman Vrentzos to begin to turn the ship. The Lady Forest of Nottingham, now hindered by chunks of ice and beginning to take on water, floats listlessly.

December 2023

With precious little onward movement since the summer, the Lady Forest of Nottinghams owner accepts that she may now sink, despite assuring everyone to the contrary since arriving at the Premier Port. Captain Cooper, clearly at fault for the ships mediocre progress, makes way. The crewmen, having disappointed the passengers for most of the journey, appear somewhat demoralised by the gaping hole in the hull.

January 2024

“Lady Forest of Nottingham has that sinking feeling” reports newspapers as confirmation of the iceberg hitting her reaches the world. The cockroach like Grand Evertonian, inconceivably still afloat, bobs around and somehow strikes the iceberg for a second time.

March 2024

The Lady Forest of Nottingham splits into two, 70% of her now under the cold, unforgiving waters. Duke Marinakis remarks that whilst the Lady Forest of Nottingham had detailed maps of the icebergs locations, and knew hitting one would almost certainly cause her to sink, it all still wasn’t very fair.

Passengers, drowning in their loyalty, marvel that even up to their neck in sea water, the taps and toilets aboard the ship remain free of running water.


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Bravo! Take a bow!
 
C

Cloughie1975

John Robertson
Munich and Madrid said:
You said Chin not Marinakis. I’m not looking too deeply just reminding you what you wrote.

You also in a reply to another poster said I know about corporate governance when saying how badly our Club had got it wrong.
I have to remind you that one of the worst examples of inexcusable disgusting corporate governance came in the last decade courtesy of the German automotive industry, emissions in case anyone had forgotten.

A lot of people on here who love their own opinion more than the facts seem to want to damn EM for his ambition, he has made a mistake that does not make him a pariah. Everyone on here has made mistakes in their role, just that his as far as we are concerned is very high profile and concerning for our club.

I go back to a previous post, I would never have had the experiences I did supporting this great club if the legend himself had said you know what Peter let’s settle for 17th. EM might have been one of the few owners that he actually would have enjoyed working with as they are both very driven men and EM would have supported him to the hilt.It certainly would have been interesting to see and be part of. These are the best owners we have had in my 60 years of support and long may they continue to have the ambition to upset the cartel that is the PL.

My greatest sadness as a Forest supporter is having met the legend and spent hours in his company one day that no one helped a man who was extremely poorly to recover, when I look back now it really baffles me as to why all around him allowed his illness to go untreated.

Our role now is to get behind the team and Nuno and make the WFCG a fortress for the rest of the season.
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A good post.
Before the Premier League got into full swing Forest were run by a committee who generally
showed little ambition before Brian Clough showed up-at which point they let him run the
show extremely successfully.
The advent of the Premier League coincided with the sad decline of Clough and it soon became
clear that Forest needed serious investment to compete.We have had various owners with
different approaches (all of whom have made some mistakes).
Wray/Scholar/Soar-Made a promising start by investing heavily to ensure promotion at the
first attempt but then pulled the plug and failed to back Dave Bassett.
1 out 10 (A disaster which meant 23 years in the wilderness).
Nigel Doughty-A genuine Forest fan but somewhat cautious.He saw the benefit of the academy.
5.5 out of 10.
The Al Hasawi’s-Intended to do well but lacked the knowledge and skills to run a relatively
big English football club.
4.5 out of 10.
EM-Highly ambitious and driven but can lack patience and sometimes resembles a bull in
a china shop.A shade more realism is perhaps required at times.Has backed the club
tremendously financially.
7 out of 10 (Could improve on this if he learns from mistakes).
Finally,I’m not sure if Clough and EM would have seen eye to eye!
 
GOBIAS

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
pwilly said:
Agreed.

Strummer, nobody is buying this line of you referring to ‘which Marinakis’. If that comment about our owner isn’t acceptable behaviour on the forum just admit it and apologize.

But it can’t be one rule for you and one for others. Instead you lecture other people on how they should speak on here. It’s funny how people from a certain political ideology like to control what is allowed to be said.

I’ve reported your comment, but suspect it will have as much effect as complaining to PGMOL about referees and VAR.
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You are clearly carrying this bollocks on because you disagree with his political ideology. You are making yourself look pathetic.This isn’t a public body who are answerable to you, if you don’t get or don’t want to see the humour that many of us enjoy and are so incensed by it all then why not close your account and go elsewhere.

How do you go a day in the real world?
 
Robertson

Robertson

Viv Anderson
Glad this is all sorted now and we can get on with the football.

Anyway, I assume there’ll be a document published soon where we can see exactly how much all the other 19 clubs in the league were and were not allowed to write off/add on for Covid, Bonuses, Sponsorship, etc, etc. No?
 
Fitzcarraldo

Fitzcarraldo

Ian Storey-Moore
One or two posts on here sound like submissions before the Congregation for Saints. Akin to the great philanthropists of the Victorian age.

His motivation is no different to any investor. The only difference being this one chose us.
 
Robert Learnshaw

Robert Learnshaw

COYR
Part of me thinks, what have we got to lose by appealing, get between 0 and 1 points back? What if that 1 point keeps us up, would look back and be glad we appealed..
 
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pwilly

A. Trialist
GOBIAS said:
You are clearly carrying this bollocks on because you disagree with his political ideology. You are making yourself look pathetic.This isn’t a public body who are answerable to you, if you don’t get or don’t want to see the humour that many of us enjoy and are so incensed by it all then why not close your account and go elsewhere.

How do you go a day in the real world?
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Nope. I believe in fairness and justice which is core to socialist values. I am calling out the hypocrisy of someone who frequently brings up being a socialist, indeed even used to have a comment to that effect as his signature, behaving contrary to that in a position of authority. That behaviour from self-avowed socialists damages the name of socialism, if you actually care about it. But it isn't about politics, it's about fairness.

I don't mind humour and piss taking. I just object to one rule for one and another for others.

And yet for this, you have resorted to an inaccurate personal attacks and told me to leave this site...
 
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