REDDERS78
Jack Armstrong
Likewise a scouse bookmaker has just been on. Apparently Luton are Forest main rivals because Everton "have enough".
Interesting viewpoint it has to be said.
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Financial Fair Play (FFP)
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Interesting viewpoint it has to be said.
REDDERS78
Jack Armstrong
Oh sorry.I've not even mentioned the owner?I'm literally talking about squad quality.
I also disagree on that too, think we should be at least 10 points ahead of where we are.
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The PL could take the view that their rules should merit a larger penalty - six points for admiting the breach plus four more points for the size of the breach with the reduced fine being inconsistent with the Everton ruling. Expect Everton's lawyers are putting together their letter now.
Thus reopening the case is a big risk.
The PL is under serious scruitiny about their inability to regulate the finances of clubs - look at the bill going to parliament today . We shouldn't give them any more scope to demonstrate their ability to make and implement harsh rules. They'd welcome a patsy.
Brian Fantana
Viv Anderson
For anyone who hasn’t been able to read the report yet I’ve prepared a quick timeline of the key events. Excuse the poor AI image, I’m no Alf
May 2022
The good ship, Lady Forest of Nottingham, arrives in the Premier Port in a state of disrepair.
August 2022
Lavishly upgraded with parts not overly fit for purpose, and crewman prone to injury, she sets sail into difficult waters.
September 2022
Lackey Bonsor reports that briefly after setting off, the Lady Forest of Nottingham is heading in the direction of an iceberg. Nobody listens. Some passengers notice there doesn’t appear to be any running water on board.
December 2022
Lackey Bonsor, now growing concerned, squeals again that the ship needs to take action to avoid the iceberg. Duke Marinakis, turning towards Chairman Vrentzos, albeit slower than the ship itself, says “You hear something?”
January 2023
Future scapegoat Bonsor, increasingly animated, bangs on the window pointing wildly towards the iceberg. Duke Marinakis, misunderstanding, instructs Chairman Vrentzos and Captain Cooper to set a course straight at the iceberg and increase speed. Possibly out of pity, the ship takes on two expensive geriatric crew from passing Arab trawler, the Al-Howay.
March 2023
An old, decaying ship, the Grand Evertonian, steams past the Lady Forest of Nottingham and she strikes the iceberg first. She’s been in these waters for years though, and truth be told, not many will be sad to see her sink.
July 2023
Despite months of opportunity to set a new course, and already witnessing the Grand Evertonian come a cropper, disaster strikes. At approximately 00:01 on the 1st July 2023, the historic and quite beautiful Lady Forest of Nottingham strikes the iceberg head on.
August 2023
Duke Marinakis, enters the engine room. Whilst not able to visually see that his feet are wet, he feels the cold water lapping at his ankles. He instructs Chairman Vrentzos to begin to turn the ship. The Lady Forest of Nottingham, now hindered by chunks of ice and beginning to take on water, floats listlessly.
December 2023
With precious little onward movement since the summer, the Lady Forest of Nottinghams owner accepts that she may now sink, despite assuring everyone to the contrary since arriving at the Premier Port. Captain Cooper, clearly at fault for the ships mediocre progress, makes way. The crewmen, having disappointed the passengers for most of the journey, appear somewhat demoralised by the gaping hole in the hull.
January 2024
“Lady Forest of Nottingham has that sinking feeling” reports newspapers as confirmation of the iceberg hitting her reaches the world. The cockroach like Grand Evertonian, inconceivably still afloat, bobs around and somehow strikes the iceberg for a second time.
March 2024
The Lady Forest of Nottingham splits into two, 70% of her now under the cold, unforgiving waters. Duke Marinakis remarks that whilst the Lady Forest of Nottingham had detailed maps of the icebergs locations, and knew hitting one would almost certainly cause her to sink, it all still wasn’t very fair.
Passengers, drowning in their loyalty, marvel that even up to their neck in sea water, the taps and toilets aboard the ship remain free of running water.
May 2022
The good ship, Lady Forest of Nottingham, arrives in the Premier Port in a state of disrepair.
August 2022
Lavishly upgraded with parts not overly fit for purpose, and crewman prone to injury, she sets sail into difficult waters.
September 2022
Lackey Bonsor reports that briefly after setting off, the Lady Forest of Nottingham is heading in the direction of an iceberg. Nobody listens. Some passengers notice there doesn’t appear to be any running water on board.
December 2022
Lackey Bonsor, now growing concerned, squeals again that the ship needs to take action to avoid the iceberg. Duke Marinakis, turning towards Chairman Vrentzos, albeit slower than the ship itself, says “You hear something?”
January 2023
Future scapegoat Bonsor, increasingly animated, bangs on the window pointing wildly towards the iceberg. Duke Marinakis, misunderstanding, instructs Chairman Vrentzos and Captain Cooper to set a course straight at the iceberg and increase speed. Possibly out of pity, the ship takes on two expensive geriatric crew from passing Arab trawler, the Al-Howay.
March 2023
An old, decaying ship, the Grand Evertonian, steams past the Lady Forest of Nottingham and she strikes the iceberg first. She’s been in these waters for years though, and truth be told, not many will be sad to see her sink.
July 2023
Despite months of opportunity to set a new course, and already witnessing the Grand Evertonian come a cropper, disaster strikes. At approximately 00:01 on the 1st July 2023, the historic and quite beautiful Lady Forest of Nottingham strikes the iceberg head on.
August 2023
Duke Marinakis, enters the engine room. Whilst not able to visually see that his feet are wet, he feels the cold water lapping at his ankles. He instructs Chairman Vrentzos to begin to turn the ship. The Lady Forest of Nottingham, now hindered by chunks of ice and beginning to take on water, floats listlessly.
December 2023
With precious little onward movement since the summer, the Lady Forest of Nottinghams owner accepts that she may now sink, despite assuring everyone to the contrary since arriving at the Premier Port. Captain Cooper, clearly at fault for the ships mediocre progress, makes way. The crewmen, having disappointed the passengers for most of the journey, appear somewhat demoralised by the gaping hole in the hull.
January 2024
“Lady Forest of Nottingham has that sinking feeling” reports newspapers as confirmation of the iceberg hitting her reaches the world. The cockroach like Grand Evertonian, inconceivably still afloat, bobs around and somehow strikes the iceberg for a second time.
March 2024
The Lady Forest of Nottingham splits into two, 70% of her now under the cold, unforgiving waters. Duke Marinakis remarks that whilst the Lady Forest of Nottingham had detailed maps of the icebergs locations, and knew hitting one would almost certainly cause her to sink, it all still wasn’t very fair.
Passengers, drowning in their loyalty, marvel that even up to their neck in sea water, the taps and toilets aboard the ship remain free of running water.
Project Zeus
Steve Chettle
Beat Palace, climb out of the drop zone (and hopefully above Everton as well if they get another deduction), and we can all forget about this shit show.
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Cortez the Killer
Impressive member
Does anyone know when Everton will learn their fate?
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Sick of the press and Everton fans quoting our losses as higher than theirs. our total losses were significantly lower (95.5m) but since we unfairly had a lower allowance to start with so we breached our limit by more. If we had the full 105m limit we wouldnt have breached it. We also were not allowed to offset millions against covid for previous seasons like the rest or the prem clubs. Having said that, we knew the rules and broke them, so time to put it behind us, focus on football, and get the points on the board to stay up.
eyupmeduck
Geoff Thomas
If we had been deducted 4 points last season then we would have been down on goal difference.......except the surviving team has also breached PSR.
Leeds and Southampton would still have been down in our case in any event.
If Everton also would have been deducted points as well and that would have seen them relegated so if there are gripes then it should be that Everton are the focal point.
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Cloughie1975
John Robertson
I’d be surprised if the EPL appealed the decision-it would cause yet more chaos and draw
more attention to themselves (hardly worth it for probably a couple more points if they
were successful).
Similarly with Forest-we’ve made our point and any appeal would likely make minimal
or no difference.
I feel both parties are in the wrong-Forest for being reckless and the EPL for allowing their
competition to become a cartel whereby newly promoted clubs without parachute payments
have little chance of survival due to greater spending restrictions.
Time to move on and focus on the football.
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UnFrustratedRed
Grenville Morris
I don't think so
REDDERS78
Jack Armstrong
They have not won for 11 games though.........
eyupmeduck
Geoff Thomas
Id just ignore them, have been doing this for weeks anyway and they genuinely are thick by and large.
You can manipulate figures to have a good moan, they seem to have settled on them not being allowed to spend £20m on the stadium as their reasoning for breaching and not that they have wrecklessly spent hundreds of millions investing in substandard players and whittling their losses down due to apparently the biggest covid losses seen in European football which is not dodgy in any way.
We might settle on us not being able to claim the legitimate £12.5m covid losses and promotion bonuses of £20m for our breach but in truth, we, like they should, also recognise that we as a club made decisions that meant we spent more than we should have. I don't think that either of us are unique in that aspect and other clubs are probably thankful that they have manipulated the figures this time because most will have a simialir story to tell if their books were fully examined.
They should take heart that we were deducted half of what the EPL suggested off the bat, they will possibly get less than us if their trend is downward from the report.
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Munich and Madrid
A. Trialist
You said Chin not Marinakis. I’m not looking too deeply just reminding you what you wrote.
You also in a reply to another poster said I know about corporate governance when saying how badly our Club had got it wrong.
I have to remind you that one of the worst examples of inexcusable disgusting corporate governance came in the last decade courtesy of the German automotive industry, emissions in case anyone had forgotten.
A lot of people on here who love their own opinion more than the facts seem to want to damn EM for his ambition, he has made a mistake that does not make him a pariah. Everyone on here has made mistakes in their role, just that his as far as we are concerned is very high profile and concerning for our club.
I go back to a previous post, I would never have had the experiences I did supporting this great club if the legend himself had said you know what Peter let’s settle for 17th. EM might have been one of the few owners that he actually would have enjoyed working with as they are both very driven men and EM would have supported him to the hilt.It certainly would have been interesting to see and be part of. These are the best owners we have had in my 60 years of support and long may they continue to have the ambition to upset the cartel that is the PL.
My greatest sadness as a Forest supporter is having met the legend and spent hours in his company one day that no one helped a man who was extremely poorly to recover, when I look back now it really baffles me as to why all around him allowed his illness to go untreated.
Our role now is to get behind the team and Nuno and make the WFCG a fortress for the rest of the season.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
That read better when you missed the "0" off
Joe Baker's Dog
Grenville Morris
What I'd like to understand is why Randall said not so long ago that we were within FFP............did no-one at the Club know how to do spreadsheets? I'm surprised to hear about the Athletico Madrid bids for Johnson. I was unaware of this..........did anybody else on here know. Forest aren't usually good at keeping things quiet. On the football front Nuno has nearly 2 weeks now to sort out our defending from corners & a win against Palace & we're above Luton again.......
REDDERS78
Jack Armstrong
Honestly, the bleeding 0 on my keyboard keeps not workingThat read better when you missed the "0" off
I read it back and though WTF is that!
Project Zeus
Steve Chettle
I really hope we as a club put aside our frustrations with the League and focus on the pitch for the next two months. We'll be relegated if we don't and stay up if we do.
The summer will be the time for any further discussions. I can't see us winning any appeal, but we can attempt to be the voice of change to get rid of these absurd rules.
I don't have a huge amount of hope though, if our approach to refereeing howlers is anything to go by.
The summer will be the time for any further discussions. I can't see us winning any appeal, but we can attempt to be the voice of change to get rid of these absurd rules.
I don't have a huge amount of hope though, if our approach to refereeing howlers is anything to go by.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
I mean, I know it's just me being an evil man again (long live king Billy!
), but I just can't get on board focusing on game by game any more whilst I feel like another shitshow is around the corner.Beating Palace would be ace and a nice pain-killer, but it masks the symptom, it doesn't cure the disease.
Now if I saw a report stating that Marinakis JNR and Vrentzos are now working for Oly full time, whilst Murphy MK2 has been employed to run Forest properly, then I could forget about the shit show easier.
But I feel that we're just gonna lurch from one shambles to another like we did pre-Murphy unless this is addressed.
I mean...Jesus Christ, we had this coming and were breaching FFP....and we still tried to buy Chuba Akpom for £16m!!
WTF is wrong with us?!? lol
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EM did know the rules and broke them. The Johnson sale may not have gone through for all sorts of reasons and our argument would have been much weaker. We were lucky. 4 points is much better than it might have been. We should just suck it up.
In 2 matches time we will probably be 3 or 5 points clear of Luton. And even after that we have an easier run in.
Tricky Tourist
Viv Anderson
This is both a thing of beauty and a diary of despair. Nice work BF!
JohhnyM
Viv Anderson
Precisely. If we'd gone down last season after not signing Navas, Felipe, Lodi, et al, then nobody would've been saying "that's fukcing brilliant by the big man because at least we didn't contravene the unfair FFP rules".
If nobody pushed boundaries we'd still be living in caves rubbing sticks together.
Agreed.
Strummer, nobody is buying this line of you referring to ‘which Marinakis’. If that comment about our owner isn’t acceptable behaviour on the forum just admit it and apologize.
But it can’t be one rule for you and one for others. Instead you lecture other people on how they should speak on here. It’s funny how people from a certain political ideology like to control what is allowed to be said.
I’ve reported your comment, but suspect it will have as much effect as complaining to PGMOL about referees and VAR.
Not ignored but you believe what you want. I don't see you changing your mind on this.
GOBIAS
Ian Bowyer
Pack it in now you wet wipe.