Vikare
Viv Anderson
Also, who the eff does not enjoy a wank?
Should I instead be shame-wanking?
Wait. I'd enjoy that too.
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Financial Fair Play (FFP)
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Also, who the eff does not enjoy a wank?
Should I instead be shame-wanking?
Wait. I'd enjoy that too.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
As was posted the other day; life is far too short to be ashamed for enjoying anything remotely kinky.
Knock yourself out.
Or off, perhaps in this case.
It's Baggio
John Robertson
I found that line interesting, so I checked. Of those 13 teams, only 1 went down in their 1st season in the PL (Middlesboro 15/16), the rest stayed up (Luton TBC).
Doesn't really support Forest's argument.
WallyBazoom
Yoth Team
I think most people saw straight through your response of "which Marinakis" to be honest, Strummer. It's not like anyone would look at Junior and go "oh yes! Ha! Look at his double chin! That's who he was on about"!
Pull the other one, it's got bells on it.
Pull your own . . . . and enjoy it . . . . and try and practice what you preach because you're starting to come across as sanctimonious. Maybe you've changed too, for all your talk of inclusion and "different" kinds of Forest fan on the forum . . . maybe it's you turning it into an untramelled, shit-fest of cliquish behaviour by imposing your very own views/opinions on the forum you moderate; don't agree with the moderator? Let me passively aggressively suggest you find another forum? Top notch, that. Well done.
isaacs
Viv Anderson
stantonred
First Team Squad
It’s late, this thread is heading towards 7000 posts so my crayon version of my take on it.
We knew quite early we were going to be over the limit, identified a solution of flogging Bren. Started touting him but he was between agents. We had a value in mind and (rightly) wanted to hold out for it.
The offers that came were derisory (mark arthur levels of) so we held out and knew we’d be potentially in trouble but had reasonable mitigation in line with accepted accounting principles and practice.
Premier league are two faced wankers. Decide to throw us under the bus for whatever reason. Even though profitability and sustainability are what the rules are ultimately about, in their fuckwitted take, we should’ve sold cheap just to make them happy (dicks)
Club release a well worded statement calling out the corrupt twats, everyone (probably apart from the big 6 and the sycophants in charge) agrees with us.
So, what next?
Probably not a lot will change. They won’t want to rock their gravy train
What would I like to happen?
Change. Get back to a level playing field. Not what is being touted. Clubs only spending a percentage of revenue? So basically even more loaded to keeping the same clubs at the top.
We knew quite early we were going to be over the limit, identified a solution of flogging Bren. Started touting him but he was between agents. We had a value in mind and (rightly) wanted to hold out for it.
The offers that came were derisory (mark arthur levels of) so we held out and knew we’d be potentially in trouble but had reasonable mitigation in line with accepted accounting principles and practice.
Premier league are two faced wankers. Decide to throw us under the bus for whatever reason. Even though profitability and sustainability are what the rules are ultimately about, in their fuckwitted take, we should’ve sold cheap just to make them happy (dicks)
Club release a well worded statement calling out the corrupt twats, everyone (probably apart from the big 6 and the sycophants in charge) agrees with us.
So, what next?
Probably not a lot will change. They won’t want to rock their gravy train
What would I like to happen?
Change. Get back to a level playing field. Not what is being touted. Clubs only spending a percentage of revenue? So basically even more loaded to keeping the same clubs at the top.
chaospunx
Viv Anderson
Irish Wolf
First Team Squad
More the mentality - and if we are to go down, to go down fighting.
ubik
Geoff Thomas
Sorry, have I missed something?
You seem very angry.
I can recommend Buddhist meditation, not least because it seems to encompass the view that we are all empty (like, we don't last too long so we're not ultimately real).
Which also suggests that any football angst is ephemeral -but we all know that's NOT TRUE!!!...calm him down, nurse! Nurse! OK, think we've got him in the straitjacket now...ngg...ngg...
GOBIAS
Ian Bowyer
Not fat enough for Nottingham Forest
WallyBazoom
Yoth Team
You're not empty . . . . . you're full of apple turnovers and mince pies, Mr. Arbuckle.
Lord Wazzock
First Team Squad
I've just watched the latest Dore on Tour vid. One of his guests, Mollo, was going through the report. I've met him a couple of times, decent chap, he's currently studying law.
He was saying he didn't think Forest would stand a chance with appeal. His opinion was all the mitigation from Forest was rejected and the report was harsh on Forest. Apparently Everton are mentioned a lot and he seems to think they're going to get battered again.
He also claimed we could get points added back on at appeal, I didn't think this was the case though?
An interesting take on the situation any road.
He was saying he didn't think Forest would stand a chance with appeal. His opinion was all the mitigation from Forest was rejected and the report was harsh on Forest. Apparently Everton are mentioned a lot and he seems to think they're going to get battered again.
He also claimed we could get points added back on at appeal, I didn't think this was the case though?
An interesting take on the situation any road.
MansfieldRed
Grenville Morris
theloner
Viv Anderson
Sure Nuno had a full head of hair and not a silver whisker at Christmas.That's what buying forest does to you
Does that include the £10m from Mangalas loan? As the £25m total would see us under if it does not.
If it does include the £10m, it seems like we need to sell a player for £6m plus before June 30th. Which you can guess the club were hoping would be Besiktas taking up Worrall’s buy option.
Percy points out both the club and the PL can appeal the penalty.
I'm not sure firing off an angry statement serves much purpose than making us feel better temporarily.
Percy: "Both Forest and the Premier League can appeal the four-point deduction handed down by the independent commission. The club now intend to take their time to consider next steps, including the potential to appeal while top flight executives reserve the right to push for a harsher punishment, should they feel the current sanction is too lenient. Both parties have seven days to lodge any appeal"
I'm with the shut up and start winning a few games brigade.
I'm not sure firing off an angry statement serves much purpose than making us feel better temporarily.
Percy: "Both Forest and the Premier League can appeal the four-point deduction handed down by the independent commission. The club now intend to take their time to consider next steps, including the potential to appeal while top flight executives reserve the right to push for a harsher punishment, should they feel the current sanction is too lenient. Both parties have seven days to lodge any appeal"
I'm with the shut up and start winning a few games brigade.
Listen 'ere young man
Jack Burkitt
I know we are all aware of this but nevertheless it's a good pictorial representation of the state of affairs in the Premier league.
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Yikes imagine if the PL appealed to try and take more points off.
Have the Prem released a statement yet officially recognising the outcome?
UnFrustratedRed
Grenville Morris
That's f***ing disgusting, f*** off to Direby. I'm reporting this post but the admins seem to be onboard with your point of view, so you don't need to be concerned.
It's Baggio
John Robertson
There's no real detail. It just says they are forecasting a loss of £12m-£17m. I'd assume it includes the loan fee (£10m) as that is confirmed but not the permanent fee (£15m TBC).
The forecast may also be referring to the operating loss as opposed to the 'PSR loss', which may also give us some more leeway. FWIW, Forest do go on to claim they will be compliant for June 2024.
The PL issued a statement that stuck to the facts and offered no opinion on the merits of the penalty.
Makes our emotional note , pointing fingers , seem plain daft.
Of course the PL will likely be lobbied by Luton, Everton who are very upset that their breach was for less but got more points and other enemies we seem happy to make:
The PL statement in full:
Nottingham Forest deducted four points following a breach of the Premier League’s Profitability and Sustainability Rules
An independent Commission has applied an immediate four-point deduction to Nottingham Forest FC for a breach of the Premier League’s Profitability and Sustainability Rules (PSRs) for the period ending Season 2022/23.Nottingham Forest was referred to an independent Commission on 15 January, following an admission by the club that it had breached the relevant PSR threshold of £61 million by £34.5 million. The threshold was lower than £105 million as the club spent two seasons of the assessment period in the EFL Championship. The case was heard in accordance with new Premier League Rules, which provide an expedited timetable for PSR cases to be resolved in the same season the complaint is issued.
The independent Commission determined the sanction following a two-day hearing this month, at which the club had the opportunity to detail a range of mitigating factors. The Commission found that the club had demonstrated “exceptional cooperation” in its dealings with the Premier League throughout the process.
Click here to read the independent Commission’s full written reasons.
Commissions are independent of the Premier League and member clubs. The members of the Commission were appointed by the independent Chair of the Premier League Judicial Panel
BryanRoy22
Ian Bowyer
Very dangerous game to take on the cartel. I think it's time to wind our necks in at this point.
We released a statement that expressed our feelings and gave the Premier League some home truths. The media and others are taking it onboard and that's good to get people considering how the future of FFP should be.
That's enough. Because their backs will be up now. I know some people might say this is not showing any fight. We won't win this battle. Leave it alone and focus on picking up enough points in matches. Otherwise it could get worse.
Vikare
Viv Anderson
Tongue in cheek?
If not,
I feel obliged to report
that a casual observer (me,)
would not have interpreted "enormous" as anything other than an attempt to de-escalate the conversation.
I am with you on the general "call out hate speech always," but when holding that stance it is important to differentiate between hate speech and genuine botched attempts at humour, otherwise the message gets diluted.
I am very much in the take it and go get more points than Luton from 9 games brigade.
But why in the world would the Premier League want to appeal the ruling to try and get a harsher punishment? If they were to do that it's nothing short of vindictive against the club. Genuinely, what's in it for the Premier League to try and take more points from Forest? If they want to do that just kick us out the league and be done with it. I can see why Everton or Luton or Leicester or whoever might want to appeal for a harsher punishment but what would be in it for the league? It would make absolutely no sense to victimise one of it's clubs to try and help other clubs survive, it would be the very definition of favouritism and surely call into question their integrity in a whole new way?