Financial Fair Play (FFP)

[HBB]

Looks like we're doubling down on the "unique" angle - that being that the majority of clubs promoted to the PL and the 2 sides we came up with all had squads containing PL quality players and had benefitted from parachute payments in the past etc so therefore we (and indeed any future) clubs that are unexpectedly promoted HAVE to spend big to have a hope in hell of staying up so therefore some leeway should be given and that we probably shouldn't have been restricted to the P&L level that we were judged against.... the PL challenged this whole line saying:

"The Commission does question the use of “unique” in Forest’s submissions. It was clear from Mr Brown’s report that 12 other clubs over the last 10 years of the Premier League (so 13including Forest) had been promoted without the benefit of a Parachute Payment the year before. They then joined a league where the other 17 teams all had a Premier League squad and, in the main, would have the benefit of the full £105m PSR Threshold. This is not a unique occurrence, rather it is something that has happened every season in the previous 10 seasons, on average"

 

[Tricky Tourist]

An inspiring statement, but not a very streetwise one I'm afraid.

I usually agree with your posts on here Alf but, at this point, we need to find a way to galvanize the entire club in our fight to stay up, and this statement should be the rallying cry for us all as we fight the power.

 

[George cooney]

Football isn’t the end of the world. But in what’s currently a 1pt league I would argue that a 4pt deduction is at least pretty important.

pift,We will finish mid table..

 

[Robertson]

The stuff about covid losses is interesting. Apparently we claimed £12.2m in an interim submission in March, the PL came back in June and said we could add back £2.5m. Everton claimed, what, £100m ?

Also it seems like we weren’t allowed any leeway whatsoever with the £20m bonuses. Not sure what the precedent here is to be honest, or what would be fair.

“
5.8 On 31 March 2023, Forest provided the Premier League with its PSR Calculation based on a
projected league position of 12th at the end of the 2022/23 season. This PSR Calculation also
included the Covid Add-Back of £12,178,000 for FY22. Forest was also looking to add-back
the promotion costs of c. £20m that it had incurred (largely in the form of contractual bonuses
to its playing squad and the coaches) when it secured promotion to the Premier League.

5.9 On 2 June 2023, the Premier League informed Forest, in relation to its PSR Calculation for the
2022/23 season, inter alia that: it would only allow a Covid Add-Back of £2.5m for FY22, not
the entire £12,178,000 claimed and it would not allow Forest to claim any allowances for costs
linked to promotion from the EFL Championship.”

 

[PlayedOnGrass]

I think the Everton 2nd deduction is likely to be quite low as you say.

Can it be less than 3 points?
I have just somewhere that that is the base tariff

 

[Mr. Blonde]

An inspiring statement, but not a very streetwise one I'm afraid.

100% this

The club is massively playing with fire releasing a statement like that

Sometimes discretion is the better part of valour and for me this was one of those times

 

[RedRobbo]

Appeal it is then. Really happy the club are still pushing back.

I don’t see it that way. I think the club will make maximum mileage from this ( we’ve been shoddily treated ) whilst begrudgingly accepting the punishment,

 

[Caveman Ninja]

I would not be so confident that Everton's second charge will be small. It says pretty clearly here that a second breach could affect the starting point for sanction, so more than the 3 point starting block.

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Is this from the official document? Did a child write it? You don't put "however" after a comma in the middle of a sentence; at the very least it should be following a semi-colon, if not a full-stop. And that ought to be "may be" not "maybe", which means something else. Come on guys, pull those socks up.

 

[Monkman]

100% this

The club is massively playing with fire releasing a statement like that

Sometimes discretion is the better part of valour and for me this was one of those times

Why, what are the potential repercussions?

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

I usually agree with your posts on here Alf but, at this point, we need to find a way to galvanize the entire club in our fight to stay up, and this statement should be the rallying cry for us all as we fight the power.

Oh I'm all for the inspirational aspect of it, I just think in practice we'll see stuff continuing to go against us with the refs, if not more so.

We'll see though mate. If it fires up enough fight here then we might start winning enough points regardless. Fingers crossed.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Is this from the official document? Did a child write it? You don't put "however" after a comma in the middle of a sentence; at the very least it should be following a semi-colon, if not a full-stop. And that ought to be "may be" not "maybe", which means something else. Come on guys, pull those socks up.

You'd be surprised at some of the basic grammatical errors that appear in a large amount of legal drafting

 

[Est.1865]

The response is angry at the Premier League.

But any appeal would be against the Commission.

So I'm unlikely to be falling in behind this siege.

Yep PL recommended 8 points, independent commission have gone easy on us by comparison.

Take the 4 points deduction and stop throwing games away. Get to 31 points, we’ll be safe IMO.

 

[Cloughie1975]

Can it be less than 3 points?
I have just somewhere that that is the base tariff

Mitigating cirumstances?

 

[Colh]

Oh I'm all for the inspirational aspect of it, I just think in practice we'll see stuff continuing to go against us with the refs, if not more so.

We'll see though mate. If it fires up enough fight here then we might start winning enough points regardless. Fingers crossed.

I think we have to go after them. We urgently need a siege mentality to inspire some fight. This could be the catalyst for that. We have been f**ked over so much by officiating, I honestly don’t see how it could get worse as some of decisions have been staggering anyway - f*** em I say


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[Caveman Ninja]

You'd be surprised at some of the basic grammatical errors that appear in a large amount of legal drafting

Really? I always assumed legal language needs to be incredibly accurate. That's a worry!

 

[JRSG]

Embarrassing statement by the club.

Fuels conspiracies and tries to hide and absolve the obvious errors.

Deep down, every fan feared the transfer business was going to come back to bite us. I'm glad it's just a points deduction, rather than the club being at risk.

 

[valspoodle]

Club fighting back. I like the statement, which is aimed at the appeal commission and not the Premier League who have no part in the decision, as I understand it, save to express their opinions on the breach and subsequent decision of the original commission.

Do we sit back and say "Thank you" to the Prem?

 

[thereds66]

Annoyingly (and I guarantee this was done 100% on purpose), Forest can't play again before deciding whether to appeal, because of the international break.

 

[Captain Sinister]

Where abouts mate..

Today I was at Lake View near Scalford.
The fishery is under new ownership, and the new owner has really turned it around.

 

[PlayedOnGrass]

Mitigating cirumstances?

I thought they were counter active against any additional deductions - perhaps I misunderstood it - I don't know
Does anyone?

 

[SouthManchesterTree]

To my amateur eyes, I’m not sure anything in that statement looks like grounds for an appeal.

The ‘unique promoted club’ argument highlights that the rules are (in my view) unfair, but any appeal is not going to change the rules

The ‘exceptional cooperation’ argument has already been acknowledged by the PL so seems factored into the punishment

The ‘we should be able to sell people at the end of the window’ again is a fair point - perhaps the FFP window should be aligned to the transfer window. But this is a case for changing the rules, not mitigation for breaking them

I hope someone representing the club disagrees, but I don’t see the punishment being reduced

Maybe there’s some comparison with other clubs / the punishment for admin that can be used to say the punishment was disproportionate? I’m not optimistic though.

 

[Gyros Peter]

I'm pleased to finally know.

4 points is about what I expected, also feel anything over three would probably be appealed. We'll see...

1 point off Luton as it stands - if we can't swing that we don't deserve to stay up.

And four points - is that how many we stayed up by last year? If we manage it this year the stupid gamble will have paid off.

It's over to you Nuno and the lads - you'd hope knowing would do them some good. COYR!

 

[SouthManchesterTree]

I usually agree with your posts on here Alf but, at this point, we need to find a way to galvanize the entire club in our fight to stay up, and this statement should be the rallying cry for us all as we fight the power.

Hopefully it’s the rallying cry for the team to defend set pieces properly

 

[Listen 'ere young man]

We should thank our lucky stars with the quality of the teams who came up. If we can't accumulate 2 more points than Luton from hereon in, a team who have spent comparatively nothing and have been out of the top league for longer than us, we deserve to be relegated.

Hope the players spend more time fixing the issues on the field and show some balls, rather than posting insta messages showing their disgruntlement (is that a word? Should be).

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[Redemption]

the FFP window should be aligned to the transfer window

The problem with this is the accounts would be all over the shop.

The end of the transfer window is into the playing time of the season.

So income from that season is already flowing in. From TV revenues to merit payments, the August games are part of that revenue base.