This would scupper any summer spending plans I presume. If so, I hate to be this person but unless we sell a Murillo or Gibbs-White, this team would struggle next season in what will be a stronger division.
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Financial Fair Play (FFP)
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ubik
Geoff Thomas
What are you implying?
That the football authorities could chuck Forest out of the league for waiting 3 months to sell their biggest asset?
Would seem a tad harsh.
Redemption
One less gobshite...
Because we're not challenging the unfairness of the system.
We're moaning at the unfairness.
If we appeal, we're appealling fir less sanction within the confines of the unfair system.
Stocky Red
First Team Squad
Summer Spending would likely be in 24/25 though so at least no big sale required post season unless relegated
ubik
Geoff Thomas
Excellent.Not sure if it’s already been posted but here’s the official statement from NFFC…
Nottingham Forest is extremely disappointed with the decision of the Commission to impose a sanction on the Club of four points, to be applied with immediate effect.
Notwithstanding our disappointment, we thank the Commission for agreeing to deal with this matter on an expedited basis. The Club considers it to be essential for the integrity of the league to have charges resolved in the season in which they are issued.
We were extremely dismayed by the tone and content of the Premier League’s submissions before the Commission.
After months of engagement with the Premier League, and exceptional cooperation throughout, this was unexpected and has harmed the trust and confidence we had in the Premier League.
That the Premier League sought a sanction of eight points as a starting point was utterly disproportionate when compared to the nine points that their own rules prescribe for insolvency.
We were also surprised that the Premier League gave no consideration at all to the unique circumstances of the Club and its mitigation. In circumstances where this approach is followed by future PSR commissions, it would make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, for newly promoted clubs without parachute payments to compete, thus undermining the integrity and competitiveness of the Premier League.
Whilst the Premier League may have called into question the Club’s business plan, the Club maintains that it responsibly balanced compliance with PSR with important investment into the squad to give us the ability to compete in the league for the first time in over 20 years.
Even after the Club had missed the PSR reporting deadline, it still took steps to ensure Brennan Johnson was sold before the end of the transfer window. That was a clear demonstration of our respect and support for PSR.
The Commission's decision raises issues of concern for all aspirant clubs. The player transfer market is a highly specialised trading environment that cannot be compared to the sale of normal products and services.
There will be occasions when a player transfer cannot be completed in the first half of a transfer window and can only be completed at the end of that window. This should not be a reason for the condemnation of a club. For this not to be recognised by the Commission or the Premier League should be a matter of extreme concern for all fans of our national game.
Of wider concern for all aspirant clubs is the disturbing effect this decision will have on the operation of the player trading model. This is the only model by which clubs outside of the small group at the very top end of the Premier League can realistically advance up the football pyramid.
The rationale of the Commission is that clubs should only invest after they have realised a profit on their player development. This reasoning destroys mobility in the football pyramid and the effect of the decision will be to drastically reduce the room for manoeuvre for all such clubs, leading to the stagnation of our national game.
We believe that the high levels of cooperation the Club has shown during this process, and which are confirmed and recorded in the Commission's decision, were not reciprocated by the Premier League.
Club statement
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We should make it clear that if the EPL wants to make itself a laughing stock by ending a season with relegation still to be decided in the courts, go ahead and make our day.
I think that is a very good, hard hitting statement by the club which makes it perfectly clear that the EPL do not want a fair competition, rather than one biased towards certain 'big clubs'.
They make it clear that whilst we cooperated with the EFL and demonstrated sustainability the EPL were only ever interested in stitching them up, which makes clubs wonder in future what the point of complying is.
Credit to them for making it and not backing off.
They were still bloody stupid for breaching by over 50% of their allowable limit and for putting themselves in this position. That is totally unacceptable. They are owners and guardians of this club and it's heritage and have no right to gamble it away.
They make it clear that whilst we cooperated with the EFL and demonstrated sustainability the EPL were only ever interested in stitching them up, which makes clubs wonder in future what the point of complying is.
Credit to them for making it and not backing off.
They were still bloody stupid for breaching by over 50% of their allowable limit and for putting themselves in this position. That is totally unacceptable. They are owners and guardians of this club and it's heritage and have no right to gamble it away.
BryanRoy22
Ian Bowyer
The other thing with an appeal is that nobody knows how long the process would take.
Do Forest and other teams in the relegation battle want to go into the final day of the season not knowing what scoreline would be enough?
The limbo feeling has been bad enough over the last few months.
Robertson
Geoff Thomas
If that statement really does result in us getting unfavourable refereeing decisions for the rest of the season then the Premier League truly is rotten.
MC Plantpot
First Team Squad
Right, we know what we’ve got to do now. A 9 game season. Come on lads, let’s get it done on the pitch and let’s have that City Ground rocking for Palace.
NFFCForeverRed
First Team Squad
So are we appealing or not ? That's the one thing the statement does not address.
Mr. Blonde
Jack Burkitt
I think for better or worse we need to take our four point medicine, draw a line under this whole affair and move on as a club and a fanbase, starting with getting right behind the lads against Palace
ubik
Geoff Thomas
To learn that the EPL wanted an eight point deduction is shocking. There is absolutely no point in meekly accepting stuff from people like that. I'd want to know who argued for that sanction and on what grounds.
It just leaves a sour taste after the run of very poor refereeing and VAR decisions against us in the last couple of months. Yes. it would be better if we'd overcome them (like against West Ham) and piled up enough points to laugh at this deduction. I'm hoping this will finally galvanise the squad to play like the West Ham game for the next nine matches.
It just leaves a sour taste after the run of very poor refereeing and VAR decisions against us in the last couple of months. Yes. it would be better if we'd overcome them (like against West Ham) and piled up enough points to laugh at this deduction. I'm hoping this will finally galvanise the squad to play like the West Ham game for the next nine matches.
Mr. Blonde
Jack Burkitt
I suspect they are still weighing up that decision, which is why the statement makes no mention of an appeal
HappyHappyJoyJoy
Viv Anderson
MC Plantpot
First Team Squad
Agreed.
Tricky Tourist
Viv Anderson
I've no idea what the club intend to do, but if we do appeal for a lesser penalty I'd like to think it will also be a catalyst for broader change to this existing system. We're already seeing fans of other clubs commending the club for the statement and calling for "the other 14" to pull together to demand change.
Who knows what will happen, but maybe a strong and determined response from Forest will have beneficial consequences for all clubs in the future.
Stocky Red
First Team Squad
It’s a great point Bryan, probably the final say on whether we appeal or not should be with Nuno (and how that would affect his squad)
HappyHappyJoyJoy
Viv Anderson
I'd all be for sticking to the spirit of the rules not the letter and taking our punishment but the rules are a farce and designed to f*** over smaller clubs so bollocks to that.
We should entirely act in our interests.
If there are no negative consequences for appealing then why not?
We should entirely act in our interests.
If there are no negative consequences for appealing then why not?
Colh
Stuart Pearce
To be fair, Nuno hasn’t spent hundreds of millions of his own money. This has to be the owners call imo
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Stocky Red
First Team Squad
Yeah sure, but whether it’s 4 points or something less we still have to perform on the pitch and I would image Nuno has a view on the further instability an appeal would create
Bryn Gunn
Cash is King!
Imagine if Billy Davies was still here and how he would cope with these decisions… 
To me it suggests a high court case for a restraint of trade let alone an appeal.
oxonred
First Team Squad
I think the clubs statement is spot on, we need to call out this corrupt EPL. They’ve done nothing to help the clubs coming up from the championship without the parachute payments. They’re only interested in the precious top six and have allowed the likes of Man City and Chelsea to get away with excessive spending without redress.
Shearstone
Misses the champ
The rules suck yes. But we knew what they were and still acted as we did.
Also remember due to promotions bonuses (I assume) we lost £40mil in the championship. That was an avoidable loss. Especially as our promotion team was almost entirely loan and academy based.
Redemption
One less gobshite...
It's difficult.
When we got promoted Marinakis said we would be voting with the big clubs. He wanted to play in the big time and be seen as part of the power block.
And last week Forest were one of 10 clubs who voted against extending Solidarity Payments to the EFL.
So sometimes we like the unfairness.
This form of FFP will now end. So we can't change that.
Will be building a coalition of the willing inside the EPL, assuming we stay up? I doubt it.