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Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
The Commissions‘ findings are clear, and explained in the full documentation. We may not like it, but the rules are - were - clear, and Forest willingly broke them. Maybe with good reason, but, still.

Yes, we know the Premier League is artificially stacked against newly-promoted clubs, and its rules act to ring-fence the domination of the clubs whose value is the most lucrative for the Premier League‘s revenues. Forest calling this out publicly is very good to see, maybe they’ve got Alan Partridge in as a PR consultant: „Naturally, I had the last laugh“ and all that.

The PL really don‘t care about Nottingham Forest, because there is a Leicester, there is a Leeds, there is a Norwich, a Southampton, and there are a whole bunch of aspiring Championship clubs who could take their place in the top flight next season and make absolutely no impact to the money the PL „earns“, because they have built their „brand“ around the so-called „Big Six“ now.

Hence the „small clubs“ comment, by the Premier League‘s Chief Executive. He - and the PL - don‘t really care about anyone outside the scousers, the two Manchester clubs, the Arsenal, Spurs, and maybe the odd seasonal challenger (Villa this season, Newcastle last) everyone else is there as cannon fodder for those favoured clubs, effectively just in it to make up the numbers and not make a fuss, whilst trousering a healthy slice of substantial broadcast revenue. Take your payment, keep quiet and bend over for the „big clubs“.

Whilst there might be value in an appeal, do we honestly think Forest will end up better off? Having read the Commissions‘ findings, I don‘t, and it seems the Premier League were pushing for a significantly higher penalty.

Maybe Forest need to take the punishment as it is, and focus on gaining more points than Luton and Everton and Brentford, regroup in the summer, if they stay up, and go again next season, where - financially - they might be on a surer footing.

But, yeah. The Premier League does not come out of this looking good, at all. And maybe that is the best success Forest can hope for here.
 
Cortez the Killer

Cortez the Killer

Impressive member
Gyros Peter said:
One thing that is irking me about the 'so much more/worse than Everton' thing is the complete ignorance around how they cooked their books. The COVID losses thing is a f***ing disgrace but it seems everyone is happy to turn a blind eye to it. Crazy, or am I missing something?
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It's as if everyone knows football is corrupt so those who are cheating don't even cause raised eyebrows.

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JohhnyM

JohhnyM

Viv Anderson
I feel like I'm swimming against the tide of opinion on here, but my attitude is well played EM!

The playing field is clearly not level, so from me it's kudos and gratitude to him for giving it his all to keep us up.

Without that we would've struggled to get past 11 points last season, but instead we may yet stay up this season.

He took a calculated risk, and I would've done the same.

The Championship is just a shitty comfort zone for has beens and wannabes and I'd rather never return.

8 points they wanted - to what end other than to make us pay with relegation? Get the appeal in and make life as hard for the closed-shop, two-faced bastards as we can.

And I think the club statement is the best thing I've ever read on our website.
 
Battered Sausage

Battered Sausage

Matchday Squad
Erik said:
Either because we arrogantly thought we could flout the rules or we didn't have a clue what we were doing.

I don't really want to know which. Neither is a good look.
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If anyone wants an example of a false dichotomy , here one is


Could be countless other reasons, but you know better from the comfort of your keyboard, your continued axe grinding is really, really boring
 
Erik

Erik

oopsy daisy!
LTLF Minion
Tiff said:
If anyone wants an example of a false dichotomy , here one is


Could be countless other reasons, but you know better from the comfort of your keyboard, your continued axe grinding is really, really boring
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Thank you.

I will.

🙂
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
„Is this the Potato Farm?“

“Yes. I am Emil Potato.“
 
M

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Our actions should be as follows:

1) Accept the points deduction, no appeal.
2) Go win some games of football to stay up.
3) Make a net income in our transfer dealings in summer.
4) Trim the squad.
5) Hire a COO/DOF that are given autonomy over RevOps/Transfers. No more Marinakis Jr photoshoots with new players.

Be boring. Be pragmatic. Get our house in order.
 
B

beast85

A. Trialist
Strong statement from the club and one that I like. Hope we don't appeal though as seems little to no point if a 3 point deduction is now seen as automatic of a breach.

Up to Nuno and the boys now to go get those points we need
 
Irish Wolf

Irish Wolf

First Team Squad
I'm still a bit stunned at the Premier League wanting an 8 point deduction. Merely 2 less than Portsmouth got for twice entering administration.

Maybe we're not so paranoid about those dodgy ref/var decisions this year.
 
J

JRSG

First Team Squad
ubik said:
What are you implying?

That the football authorities could chuck Forest out of the league for waiting 3 months to sell their biggest asset?

Would seem a tad harsh.
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The current scenario is what I thought would happen.

The worst case scenario is this irresponsible spending, away from any external punishment, impacts the clubs finances. I doubt it, but you'd still rather the decision makers try to make some good decision and find a bit of value.
 
C

Cloughie1975

John Robertson
Irish Wolf said:
I'm still a bit stunned at the Premier League wanting an 8 point deduction. Merely 2 less than Portsmouth got for twice entering administration.

Maybe we're not so paranoid about those dodgy ref/var decisions this year.
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It’s a political game because the EPL don’t want a football regulator.
They’re doing their best (through their incompetence) to ensure one is introduced though.
 
ubik

ubik

Geoff Thomas
YellowBelly Red said:
The reality is, that there are two outcomes to this season.

We stop up or we go down.

Its up to everyone now to make sure that its the former. That;s staff, players and fans. We've stuck the boot into the PL, now we have to go and do our talking on the pitch.
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I'd argue that we've stood up manfully to the EPL after a scything challenge that would normally bring them a red card...
 
ubik

ubik

Geoff Thomas
JRSG said:
The current scenario is what I thought would happen.

The worst case scenario is this irresponsible spending, away from any external punishment, impacts the clubs finances. I doubt it, but you'd still rather the decision makers try to make some good decision and find a bit of value.
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Some of the spending has indeed been a bit scattergun, but I'd applaud the signings of Murillo and Dominguez, at least.
 
Redemption

Redemption

One less gobshite...
ubik said:
Some of the spending has indeed been a bit scattergun, but I'd applaud the signings of Murillo and Dominguez, at least.
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What about the other 42?
 
Red Ray's Redlist

Red Ray's Redlist

Viv Anderson
Anyone who thinks we should just accept the penalty and just get on with it is deluded. Until we know what is going on with Everton's charges and what they will do we'd be crazy to decide one way or the other.

It's obviously not right that Everton will be able to appeal after our deadline is up. We should conditionally appeal based on whatever Everton decide or we run the risk that they get any points penalty reduced on a basis that would also cover us.

4 points is worse than I hoped and better than I feared. If Everton get similar I'd take the penalty but if they get less we have to appeal, especially with the comment in the verdict about a second offence.
 
PlayedOnGrass

PlayedOnGrass

First Team Squad
Strummer said:
The Commissions‘ findings are clear, and explained in the full documentation. We may not like it, but the rules are - were - clear, and Forest willingly broke them. Maybe with good reason, but, still.

Yes, we know the Premier League is artificially stacked against newly-promoted clubs, and its rules act to ring-fence the domination of the clubs whose value is the most lucrative for the Premier League‘s revenues. Forest calling this out publicly is very good to see, maybe they’ve got Alan Partridge in as a PR consultant: „Naturally, I had the last laugh“ and all that.

The PL really don‘t care about Nottingham Forest, because there is a Leicester, there is a Leeds, there is a Norwich, a Southampton, and there are a whole bunch of aspiring Championship clubs who could take their place in the top flight next season and make absolutely no impact to the money the PL „earns“, because they have built their „brand“ around the so-called „Big Six“ now.

Hence the „small clubs“ comment, by the Premier League‘s Chief Executive. He - and the PL - don‘t really care about anyone outside the scousers, the two Manchester clubs, the Arsenal, Spurs, and maybe the odd seasonal challenger (Villa this season, Newcastle last) everyone else is there as cannon fodder for those favoured clubs, effectively just in it to make up the numbers and not make a fuss, whilst trousering a healthy slice of substantial broadcast revenue. Take your payment, keep quiet and bend over for the „big clubs“.

Whilst there might be value in an appeal, do we honestly think Forest will end up better off? Having read the Commissions‘ findings, I don‘t, and it seems the Premier League were pushing for a significantly higher penalty.

Maybe Forest need to take the punishment as it is, and focus on gaining more points than Luton and Everton and Brentford, regroup in the summer, if they stay up, and go again next season, where - financially - they might be on a surer footing.

But, yeah. The Premier League does not come out of this looking good, at all. And maybe that is the best success Forest can hope for here.
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Really good and well reasoned post
 
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