Everybody loves Gareth

[Statto]

I like Joey, but do think he is often controversial for the sake of it.

In reality I don't think we should/could have won any of them and did as well as expected maybe more than that.

His own managerial career is nowhere near the level of Southgate's and in reality he needs to focus on himself rather than picking at someone who is way ahead of his own level.

 

[Strummer]

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Barton: „Like me! If I don‘t win, I‘ll stub a cigar out in the opposition Manager‘s eye!“

 

[FLC]

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Wanker.

 

[weejockmcplop]

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You'd think Joey Barton would understand what a contract is.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

I despise the argument that we were a shambles before Southgate therefore we should keep him. Is Hodgson and Capello really the bar at which we judge all England managers now? Hodgson was so dire that I wanted Sven back.

At the end of the day we should have beaten croatia and Italy. I will accept France are a good side but they were so depleted as well. The most damming part of it is Southgate has only beaten top 10 ranked opponents 4 times out of 24.

If we are a top 10 side I expect that to be 50%. I don’t even expect to win everything but just want to look like a side that belongs in the top 10 and we don’t. Gareth has been a very very good flat track bully for us and at least that’s better than what we had before but that shouldn’t be enough to keep the job.

 

[Barry]

Brought in to win us something, failed three times despite having a favourable draw on all three occasions.... fits into the narrative of plucky English man and his dastardly bad luck.

f*** him off and bring a winner in, not bothered what colour his passport is.

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[MaxiRobriguez]

I can't work out whether the support for Southgate from the ex-pro media types stems from his record or their time playing with him?

For me he never should have got the job but has performed at a better level in it than I expected, albeit in a never going to win anything with him in charge type way.

They're always based on relationships not records.

Think back to the media furore that we sacked Hughton. One after the other these so called football experts trotted out how the club acted inappropriately, sacked too fast and ultimately was to blame for the state the club was in, nothing to do with owd Chris, he was a great manager.

That reaction was despite us being rock bottom with no wins in 7 which had followed a year under Hughton in which we never got above 16th, which in itself followed a year in which we were promotion candidates for almost all of the season.

And that reaction was despite everything happening on the pitch too: completely rigid approach to build up play, playing players in roles that didn't suit them and mouthing off to local radio that the players were shit.

So no, when football experts defend failure without any quantifiable evidence or data as to why status quo should be retained then the probable answer is they're simply backing up a mate.

 

[Redemption]

1 Qtr final, 1 Semi-final, 1 final

Is that not quantifiable evidence?

 

[Rzar]

Joey Barton makes me want to vomit.

Whether I agree with him or not he should keep his gob shut and remember that he is a manager himself.

 

[Rzar]

They're always based on relationships not records.

Think back to the media furore that we sacked Hughton. One after the other these so called football experts trotted out how the club acted inappropriately, sacked too fast and ultimately was to blame for the state the club was in, nothing to do with owd Chris, he was a great manager.

That reaction was despite us being rock bottom with no wins in 7 which had followed a year under Hughton in which we never got above 16th, which in itself followed a year in which we were promotion candidates for almost all of the season.

And that reaction was despite everything happening on the pitch too: completely rigid approach to build up play, playing players in roles that didn't suit them and mouthing off to local radio that the players were shit.

So no, when football experts defend failure without any quantifiable evidence or data as to why status quo should be retained then the probable answer is they're simply backing up a mate.

The media in this country released the exact same article over several papers yesterday demanding that an England manager should be English.

It doesn't matter whether you agree with it or not, it is sinister to me that all the major papers released the same sort of article all at the same time. Talk about trying to control the narrative.

THEY are happy with Southgate, so why aren't YOU? The idiotic public. Was similar when Derby were in turmoil.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

1 Qtr final, 1 Semi-final, 1 final

Is that not quantifiable evidence?

If Southgate had Svens draws for example would he have done any better? There is so much more context to this. Sven lost to Brazil, and Portugal twice. Southgate would have done that. Sven would also have beaten Croatia in the semi as well. Pays your money takes your choice. I can't look past Southgates record against anyone decent. Its not the tournaments for me, its his complete fallibility against anyone good. If you have that glaring weakenss I just can't see how ever he will win a tournament because you will play between 1-3 games against the big boys.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

The media in this country released the exact same article over several papers yesterday demanding that an England manager should be English.

It doesn't matter whether you agree with it or not, it is sinister to me that all the major papers released the same sort of article all at the same time. Talk about trying to control the narrative.

THEY are happy with Southgate, so why aren't YOU? The idiotic public. Was similar when Derby were in turmoil.

It peaves me off because the media love him because he shares the same off field views. I honestly feel because he s tiny bit wokey that he gets sympathy. I personally couldnt care if you are the wokiest of the woke or a tory lover just as long you are good. I only judge Southgate by whats on the pitch. Loads of people using the fact that off the field stuff is best its ever been and the fans relationship. Fans only care about results and I don't care about off the field stuff as I said I dont want to be nice losers.

 

[Redemption]

You should stop ventriloquising for all fans. You're wrong.

The are fans who do care, fans who don't care, fans who hate it.

That's a reality.

 

[weejockmcplop]

Lol is there anything we can't blame on wokeness?
Now England can't win the world cup because something something wokeness.

 

[Gyros Peter]

1 Qtr final, 1 Semi-final, 1 final

Is that not quantifiable evidence?

It is - quantifiable evidence we're getting worse.

I'm joking btw, though I've made my feelings for him clear here and on another thread so I won't keep repeating those points.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Lol is there anything we can't blame on wokeness?
Now England can't win the world cup because something something wokeness.

Given we are blaming society's ills on a global communist takeover by woke World Economic Forum members (no, I shit you not, this is a real complaint of many people) then I think everything is on the table in regards to blaming woke.

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

This is getting as bad as Alf droning on about Billy.

And similarly ... for tangible results (i.e. winning something before I die) maybe we need to get someone better.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

Given we are blaming society's ills on a global communist takeover by woke World Economic Forum members (no, I shit you not, this is a real complaint of many people) then I think everything is on the table in regards to blaming woke.

Its obvioulsly got nothing to with our poor results against the big teams but why are the media giving Southgate a good time and citing a defence that "off the filled has improved". They are football journalists and they have to look at performances and results. So my view is that they are giving him an easier time because he talks on political issues and sometimes is a bit wokey about it which I think is why the media arent being harsher, For example if this was Allardyce now with the same performances and results hed be crucified in my opinion.

Obviusly football wise and performance wise it has nothing to do with it. However can you not understand my point at least. I am struggling to find out why he is getting an easy ride otherwise.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

Lol is there anything we can't blame on wokeness?
Now England can't win the world cup because something something wokeness.

I didn’t say that if you read what I said, because you are obviously right. Our performances have nothing to do with wokeness. Southagtes defence in the media I probably think so but nothing performance wise.

 

[Redemption]

It's not about Woke anything.

In previous England set-ups, the off-field stuff was full of club-cliques, isolated training camps, etc. It's widely covered elsewhere.

Southgate changed the dressing room culture. Players don't arrive with club mentality, the arrive to play for England. The build relationships through the group. At tournaments, they see family and friends in days of.

That's what the media are taking about.

If you don't think that stuff matters, Steve Cooper is outside and wants a word. His entire coaching career is based on touchy-feely man-management.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

It's not about Woke anything.

In previous England set-ups, the off-field stuff was full of club-cliques, isolated training camps, etc. It's widely covered elsewhere.

Southgate changed the dressing room culture. Players don't arrive with club mentality, the arrive to play for England. The build relationships through the group. At tournaments, they see family and friends in days of.

That's what the media are taking about.

If you don't think that stuff matters, Steve Cooper is outside and wants a word. His entire coaching career is based on touchy-feely man-management.

It obvioulsy dosent matter though because we are still poor against sides who are good. Capello had a higher win percentage and everybody hated him in the dressing room. Although it is good undoubtedly that the players are happier it dosent mean success which we have seen. Billy was a loudmouth yet we were good, they all loved Montanier yet we were garbage. Why is it being used as a excuse to keep him when he has 3 tounaments and 24 games against the top 10. Thats what I can't fathom. It feels like at the moment results don't matter because at least all the english boys like being in eachothers company now. Its so very frustrating

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

Bloke called me "woke" on Twatter. I explained "woke" values and he replied "I agree with most of that" so he called me a "c**t" instead. I replied "now you're getting it".

 

[Redemption]

It obvioulsy dosent matter though because we are still poor against sides who are good. Capello had a higher win percentage and everybody hated him in the dressing room. Although it is good undoubtedly that the players are happier it dosent mean success which we have seen. Billy was a loudmouth yet we were good, they all loved Montanier yet we were garbage. Why is it being used as a excuse to keep him when he has 3 tounaments and 24 games against the top 10. Thats what I can't fathom. It feels like at the moment results don't matter because at least all the english boys like being in eachothers company now. Its so very frustrating

And Billy hasn't had a job since.

Players are different these days. They've been through the Academy system and taught about integrity, self- esteem, assertiveness. They don't perform well in hostile environments and for barrack room leaders.

But the real problem is that too many people believe there is a magic formula and if you find it you produce winners. You might has well belive in fairies and Santa Claus for all the good it will do you.

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

And Billy hasn't had a job since.

Players are different these days. They've been through the Academy system and taught about integrity, self- esteem, assertiveness. They don't perform well in hostile environments and for barrack room leaders.

But the real problem is that too many people believe there is a magic formula and if you find it you produce winners. You might has well belive in fairies and Santa Claus for all the good it will do you.

Especially, ones reeking of whiskey of a morning.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

And Billy hasn't had a job since.

Players are different these days. They've been through the Academy system and taught about integrity, self- esteem, assertiveness. They don't perform well in hostile environments and for barrack room leaders.

But the real problem is that too many people believe there is a magic formula and if you find it you produce winners. You might has well belive in fairies and Santa Claus for all the good it will do you.

You see I don't believe in a magic formula. I have said in isolation losing these tournaments are fine however the results and performances against the top 10 in the world who I consider our level is below average. I don't even think its average, to win only 4 out of 24 games against the top 10 is pretty woeful. If we have that ratio than there is no hope of a tournament win. If we have a 50% win ratio for example than I would be far more amenable to losing tournaments because you are right its hard! Brazil hasnt won a world cup for 20 years but at least they actually compete against their peers. At the moment we aren't doing that and people are using the fact that Gareth is nice and created a nice atmosphere. Its completely frustrating and gut wrenching we are excusing below average performance with that narrative.