Eric Lichaj

[nffc13]

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When all said & done we aint really got a leg to stand on when it comes to defending most of our players. Given we've regressed every year & the best justification we can come up with is their work rate & committment.

Are any of our players being held back by the rest? Probably not. The best we have is mid to lower Championship standard, so Brereton & Clough aside, its open season on our current squad if we want to progress into something decent.

Agreed with this. Lichaj's lucky there's a generation of Forest fans who haven't seen anything like success, so laud him and blow him up into a courageous, consistent leader. We applaud mediocrity, we're all guilty of it.

He's been an ever-present in a declining club. Likeable guy, but as Roy Keane would say, let's all calm down.

 

[Lee]

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He was f***ing woeful under Pearce and distinctly average in a declining team since. I'd rather someone dig up Jim Brennan

 

[Player-12]

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Agreed with this. Lichaj's lucky there's a generation of Forest fans who haven't seen anything like success, so laud him and blow him up into a courageous, consistent leader. We applaud mediocrity, we're all guilty of it.

He's been an ever-present in a declining club. Likeable guy, but as Roy Keane would say, let's all calm down.

I agree with you that Lichaj isn’t going down in our History books as a top right back for our club, but It’s not fair to judge him on that basis. He’s consistently been good enough for the squad at this level and that’s all we can ask of him. If Lichaj had been here when we had our glory years then of course he wouldn’t be as appraised, but we aren’t in the glory years now. We are a championship club and Lichaj has never been anything but a solid championship right back with a good attitude. Who, in a time when we have had a lot of characters that don’t care about the club, deserves at least our gratitude for what he has done.

On a playing front I don’t think that loosing Lichaj would be a significant loss (provided we look for replacements) and I can understand the changes Mark Warburton wants to make (I think Lichaj should be bottom of the list of changes however). The thing that angers me though is the way the post reported on this is not fair on us as fans or to a player who has been a good servant of the club in troubled times.

 

[Raymondo Ponte']

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Great posts, some f****** have got to put things into perspective.

We worship mediocrity and substandard, it's so true.

 

[nffc13]

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The thing that angers me though is the way the post reported on this is not fair on us as fans or to a player

The Post puts out an article with 10 nice compliments and nobody reads it.

The Post puts out an article with bad comments and it's created days of discussion about Lichaj as a footballer and whether he has a future at the club. Their job is done, and their targets for that particular article will have surpassed expectations.

And it's filled up some space while there's naff all football to talk about, for both the paper and the fans bored without Forest.

Anyone who's commented on, read or viewed this thread as well as their original article have facilitated that. That's life.

 

[Player-12]

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The Post puts out an article with 10 nice compliments and nobody reads it.

The Post puts out an article with bad comments and it's created days of discussion about Lichaj as a footballer and whether he has a future at the club. Their job is done, and their targets for that particular article will have surpassed expectations.

And it's filled up some space while there's naff all football to talk about, for both the paper and the fans bored without Forest.

Anyone who's commented on, read or viewed this thread as well as their original article have facilitated that. That's life.

I missed the thread complimenting him, so apologies for that. Can you link it?

I understand that the reason they have done this is to get discussion and views, but does that make it right? To what extent can they manipulate stories in order to get clicks and it be ok with you? Shall we go full buzzfeed? "10 things that Mark Warburton will change in summer, you wont guess number 6?"

Them getting discussion and views is not an excuse. Its all they care about im sure but its wrong.

There is also plenty to talk about if they in anyway cared at all about their work.

 

[nffc13]

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I missed the thread complimenting him, so apologies for that. Can you link it?

They didn't, but I'm saying if they did, it wouldn't have got anywhere near the numbers in terms of viewers, and post-discussion.

At the end of the day, their article isn't hurting anyone. The outrage about it is a bit weird IMO, and it's spiralled because his Mrs commented on it.

Nobody has been hurt. It's just a newspaper trying to survive using modern day tactics.

 

[Player-12]

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Great posts, some f****** have got to put things into perspective.

We worship mediocrity and substandard, it's so true.

We are a below mediocre club, ran in an awful way. Mediocrity is the best we get.

 

[Otis Redding]

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Nobody has been hurt. It's just a newspaper trying to survive using modern day tactics.

What, you mean reporting on stuff that's happened? Or making objective, informed comment?

 

[Project Zeus]

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That's the thing, the Nottingham Post stated Lichaj's contract was up in the summer and would probably be leaving, yet it was the same Nottingham Post that just last year wrote a story about him signing a contract extension to keep him at the club until 2018!

http://www.nottinghampost.com/eric-lichaj-signs-new-nottingham-forest-contract/story-28910197-detail/story.html

So which is it? Either Nottingham Post are just making shit up which is sad, or they're forgetting articles they themselves have written which is even worse.

FAKE NEWS. Sad!

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[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

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We are a below mediocre club, ran in an awful way. Mediocrity is the best we get.

Until we learn our very realsitic limits we'll just keep sacking off both players & managers who are as good as we can currently get sadly.

I agree with Ray, we shouldn't worship him per say, but I struggle to think of many players who have been as constantly decent as Eric. If we had a team full of players like him now relegation wouldn't be an issue.

Sadly that's where we are, and it's the deluded approach that we are already above that - without having to go through the stepping stones to actually get beyond that - which keep us here.

 

[gamble]

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Just doesn't add up for me. Warburton wants to trim the squad, so the first player out the door is a guy who rarely gets injured, is 100% committed and can play multiple positions usually to a 7/10 standard.

Some of the comments I have read on twitter frankly make me questions whether some of those are a) forest fans b) if they are, have they ever been to a game in the last decade.

Not saying Lichaj is perfect, he struggles against a few of the more skillful wingers in the league and he isn't the best in an attacking sense but he would be near the bottom of the list of players who need moving on.

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Can't argue with any of that, he is an average to slightly above average championship player, I wouldn't personally replace him I would just look for someone who plays a different way to Eric and to give him real competition as he hasn't had any.

 

[SLM92NF]

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Slight muscle pull I believe. Max 2 weeks out was it?

I see hadn't heard this myself.

Any odds that a journo not sure on why a key player is out using that as a basis of this logic?

That Nixon is a bit of a tool anyway who has proclaimed his ITK status since the days of Dougie, who we all knew had a lot of friends in the press and who for me, quite clearly made good use of them to put himself on a pedastal during what was for me a bloody miserable time and that's saying something after the last 3 years!

It's probably nonsense, there's nothing out there that suggests any truth or backs this up and it comes from an unreliable hack that has essentially been reposted by the NP. I'd be very surprised to see this as true.

 

[JordanForest]

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With our injury records we shouldn't get rid of anyone that's managed to stay fit at our club for 3 years. First things first we need players that can be counted on every single week.

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[Wes' Organ]

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With our injury records we shouldn't get rid of anyone that's managed to stay fit at our club for 3 years.

They should be burned at the f***ing stake.

 

[Cortez the Killer]

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Shhh I'm in denial

In denial quinn?

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In denial quinn?

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[Trickie Trees]

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When all said & done we aint really got a leg to stand on when it comes to defending most of our players. Given we've regressed every year & the best justification we can come up with is their work rate & committment.

Are any of our players being held back by the rest? Probably not. The best we have is mid to lower Championship standard, so Brereton & Clough aside, its open season on our current squad if we want to progress into something decent.

Here lies the crux of the matter. We are 20th and not by any bad luck.
Everyone at the club including the players is open to criticism.

If we are to succeed we will need to allow Warburton and McParland to reshape the squad and ethos of the club from top to bottom.
Without change we will probably slide into League 1 and might already do that.

....But again this will take time, something which our owner never gives to new regimes. Ultimately Fawaz is the root of our slide over the last 5 years. Until he sells I don't see any regime being succesful unless they hit the right formula quickly and have us in the Play Offs against all the odds.

 

[account deleted]

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How much is our league position down to the quality of our players and how much of it is down to the constant turmoil there's been at the club, changes of managers, directors of football, fruitless takeover deals etc etc

You don't need to have a squad of world-beaters to be solid and effective - take a look at Burton's squad and then have a look where they are in the league. Even with the players we have now I bet if Warburton had a full season he'd get us moving up the table

 

[congo_red_49]

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How much is our league position down to the quality of our players and how much of it is down to the constant turmoil there's been at the club, changes of managers, directors of football, fruitless takeover deals etc etc

For me, the two are intrinsically linked. When you look at individual ability, track records, previous success etc - we have a squad of players that is, undeniably underachieving. However, whether it's down to players not being able to adapt to certain, philosophies, styles, tactics, formations, managerial methods, whatever....we have never quite been able to form a consistently cohesive unit.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

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Some players play for some managers, others don't.

The one thing you can guarentee is that by changing managers there'll be players who previously looked great which have to be moved on because they don't "fit". And by constantly changing managers you devalue the investment placed in the side by the previous manager, wich is why you should only really do it when everything is going to shit, not when you're sat in the top half of the table.

The club's a mess now because of the constant changes. It was f***ing backwards to sack SOD and each sacking since has been just as stupid (I actually think we've been incredibly lucky hanging on to Brazil & Lester). Hopefully we've now found ourselves a setup that will do well and be given time to grow.

 

[account deleted]

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Some players play for some managers, others don't.

The one thing you can guarentee is that by changing managers there'll be players who previously looked great which have to be moved on because they don't "fit". And by constantly changing managers you devalue the investment placed in the side by the previous manager, wich is why you should only really do it when everything is going to shit, not when you're sat in the top half of the table.

The club's a mess now because of the constant changes. It was f***ing backwards to sack SOD and each sacking since has been just as stupid (I actually think we've been incredibly lucky hanging on to Brazil & Lester). Hopefully we've now found ourselves a setup that will do well and be given time to grow.

That's the thing - we're constantly selling ourselves short by sacking people who are doing a solid, if unspectacular job

The SOD sacking set the tone for the whole of Fawaz's calamitous five years (and counting) in charge. It was stupid at the time and becomes even more so with every passing year and the inevitable lower place finish in the league

Wherever we end up after this season is done, assuming Warburton wants to stay, then Fawaz needs to give him two seasons at least, at LEAST, to shape his own side

 

[MASE]

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How much is our league position down to the quality of our players and how much of it is down to the constant turmoil there's been at the club, changes of managers, directors of football, fruitless takeover deals etc etc

Think most are smokescreens to be honest, the only relevance from a footballers perspective would be the constant change in approach from managers who are given two minutes for their blueprint.

Sympathy for the players don't really stretch beyond that to be honest, if your good enough, you should be able to adapt to each style with the minimum of disruption.

The fact we go on long losing runs with the no apparent team ethic suggests we're weak in too many areas.

 

[Frank Clark’s Tash]

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Get rid of Lichaj and I bet we'll spend the next 5 years looking for a new, full-time right back, just when we have goth the other side of the pitch sorted.

Cue centre backs filing-in and short term loans galore...

You heard it here first!

 

[Strummer]

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Get rid of Lichaj and I bet we'll spend the next 5 years looking for a new, full-time right back, just when we have goth the other side of the pitch sorted.

Cue centre backs filing-in and short term loans galore...

You heard it here first!

It's the Forest way!