All the cons are Brian Rice..

[Tnewton_1988]

Sell more Brian Rice shirts
Sell the "we all live in a World Of Brian Rice" as a Christmas Number 1
I will sell the Arsenal vs Forest 1988 FA Cup Tie Video on a charity auction

 

[thehockleyhustler]

Sell more Brian Rice shirts
Sell the "we all live in a World Of Brian Rice" as a Christmas Number 1
I will sell the Arsenal vs Forest 1988 FA Cup Tie Video on a charity auction

Did I dream that some LTLF members once contributed to some sort of record?

Weird if true but just a weird if I imagined it all.

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

Might not be easy to stop, but you don't have to start.

Or gamble away tens of thousands of pounds you don't have.

But you don't start with bets of £1,000's. It starts small and you win a bit and you have a bit of fun. For a long time you can probably afford any loses because you earn more than you get through. You'll have ups and down in fortune, then you go on a losing streak, but you think you're just one more bet from turning it around so you keep betting. You run out of money so you borrow money because you 'know' that your bad luck can't go on. Just one more bet can turn it around. Sometimes it does, but that's not really a good thing because it can make you feel invincible. You turned your luck around before, you can do it again.

Do I have a gambling problem? No, but from some of the games I play I know I have something of an obsessive-compulsive nature. You can't stop on a loss, but you don't want to stop on a win. I don't have a problem because I don't bet. If you don't know you are susceptible then you will get into trouble.

I think that giving up smoking would be a lot easier to do than stopping gambling particularly if you owe money. I gave up smoking 9 1/2 years ago and it was easy but you have to want to do it and be in the right frame of mind to do it. If you want to give up smoking you just have to avoid smoking - the next one, and calmly tell yourself that you don't do it anymore when you feel tempted and you will.

I would imagine that giving up gambling would be much more difficult if people are chasing you for money.

 

[Macsy196303]

Hi all Forrest fans. Some of us up in Scotland are trying to raise funds to have Brian freed and allowed to return to the uk. So far we have raised just short of £50k, this has been done by small amounts and all the money is held by hamilton academicals. the contact their is george cairns his office number is 01698 368662.
If you feel able to contribute please get in touch.

 

[Macsy196303]

That's a good idea. We really need all the help we can get. The system in Qatar means you don't get sentenced you stay in jail until the debt is paid! This is a real mess. So any help will be great. I'm going to post on the forums of all his old clubs. Thanks for taking an interest.

 

[Tnewton_1988]

Did I dream that some LTLF members once contributed to some sort of record?

Weird if true but just a weird if I imagined it all.

8 of us sang it on Soccer Am in 2008.

 

[winnits]

Did I dream that some LTLF members once contributed to some sort of record?

Weird if true but just a weird if I imagined it all.

We once recorded the Forest version of Mull of Kintyre which Alex lost.

Probably for the best

There might have been a Brian Rice rough cut for the b-side, I forget

 

[bakeri666]

We once recorded the Forest version of Mull of Kintyre which Alex lost.

Probably for the best

There might have been a Brian Rice rough cut for the b-side, I forget

I thought the b side was something a bit more random and a lot more looked up on phones as no-one knew the words

 

[Trickie Trees]

Not giving a penny to anyone who calls us Forrest for fucks sake. :naughty:

 

[thehockleyhustler]

We once recorded the Forest version of Mull of Kintyre which Alex lost.

Probably for the best

There might have been a Brian Rice rough cut for the b-side, I forget

That's what I was thinking of.

Were you all mentally ill or something when you all choose to do that?

 

[winnits]

We were given free booze

 

[bakeri666]

That's what I was thinking of.

Were you all mentally ill or something when you all choose to do that?

Harsh.
It was good, and if Alex hadn't got rid it would have been a number 1 hit and replaced the slow McCartney version over the tannoy

It was also my first time meeting users in real life.

I for one, however, was indeed mentally ill at the time-should that help with your assessment of the recording.

 

[WillE]

I give up! Oh wait...it is easy.

Everyone's different, some people are more susceptible to addiction depending upon their makeup and life experiences.

A bit of compassion and understanding goes a long way.

 

[TucsonHooligan]

No. Not by fortune go I. It's not fortune that I don't smoke, or gamble, or take heroin, or down a bottle of vodka a night. It's not like getting a brain tumour. They are all choices made by free will.

This. Claiming personal choices are driven by addiction or "disease" is only done in an attempt to alleviate ourselves of any responsibility for the state of our lives. I'm in no way saying that addiction doesn't exist, only that you didn't pick it up from a dirty toilet seat in a public bathroom, you made a conscious choice to head down that road. Now you're stuck with the unenviable task of shaking it, forcing your mind to overcome the physical. Nobody's task but your own. Well, your own and anyone who chooses to help you.

The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

 

[bakeri666]

I think it's worth noting as well that comparisons to alcoholism, drug addiction, and nicotine addiction are misleading. They are a chemical addiction. Once your hooked your body becomes dependent on them and causes great physical pain of stopped via cold turkey.
Gambling is more addictive then waving or smiling. It is not a true addiction but a habit. A psychological crutch that can be relatively easily swapped out for a less damaging crutch, or with no physical symptoms be stopped.

"I was addicted" would not be a defence if Ricky Hatton assaulted someone in a bar or if Schumacher gets a speeding ticket, it should be no excuse for gambling away a loan and then not repaying it.

If he has suffered this habit for that long he could always have seen a doctor for emotional support whilst stopping his habit. That is, again, a personal choice that he chose not to take

 

[Alpha Fail]

It's a big world full of fairer countries. He didn't have to do this in Quatar.

 

[Alpha Fail]

No. Not by fortune go I. It's not fortune that I don't smoke, or gamble, or take heroin, or down a bottle of vodka a night. It's not like getting a brain tumour. They are all choices made by free will.

I suppose the sexual abuse that a scary number of children who go on to be heroin addicts suffer was their free will as well?

When do people start smoking? As rational, learned adults or during that pubescent rush of immortality and conviction that adults are simply trying to prevent you from enjoying life?

You know virtually nothing about this stuff and you sound pig ignorant to anyone with half a clue. I suggest you educate yourself. I'd do it myself but I'm off the clock and sick of spelling things out to the lazy and judgemental for free.

 

[winnits]

I think it's worth noting as well that comparisons to alcoholism, drug addiction, and nicotine addiction are misleading. They are a chemical addiction. Once your hooked your body becomes dependent on them and causes great physical pain of stopped via cold turkey.
Gambling is more addictive then waving or smiling. It is not a true addiction but a habit. A psychological crutch that can be relatively easily swapped out for a less damaging crutch, or with no physical symptoms be stopped.

"I was addicted" would not be a defence if Ricky Hatton assaulted someone in a bar or if Schumacher gets a speeding ticket, it should be no excuse for gambling away a loan and then not repaying it.

If he has suffered this habit for that long he could always have seen a doctor for emotional support whilst stopping his habit. That is, again, a personal choice that he chose not to take

Can see your point but physical addiction to a substance is a temporary and measurable factor - if you don't smoke for a surprisingly short amount of time - 3-5 days, then the physical dependence is gone. Yet the psychological habit and 'crutch' remains - at which point it is directly comparable to somebody who is addicted to gambling.

I'm not sure what the timing for alcohol or different drug dependence is, but there'll be a similar relationship and simply breaking the physical dependence on a substance does not guarantee (nor, I would suggest, make likely) a happy outcome from that addiction.

As with any damaging addiction - be it chemical, gambling, self-harm, the key really is - as you allude to a bit - addressing the root cause for it.

 

[Barbus]

I suppose the sexual abuse that a scary number of children who go on to be heroin addicts suffer was their free will as well?

When do people start smoking? As rational, learned adults or during that pubescent rush of immortality and conviction that adults are simply trying to prevent you from enjoying life?

You know virtually nothing about this stuff and you sound pig ignorant to anyone with half a clue. I suggest you educate yourself. I'd do it myself but I'm off the clock and sick of spelling things out to the lazy and judgemental for free.

Woah. Hold on a minute,I only mentioned addictions to drugs, alcohol and tobacco in reply to someone else who likened them to gambling. To suggest I'm ignorant and judgmental of anyone who had suffered child abuse is ridiculous.

 

[Alpha Fail]

As with any damaging addiction - be it chemical, gambling, self-harm, the key really is - as you allude to a bit - addressing the root cause for it.

Beware Pandora's box when tackling root causes, once you've gone somewhere you can't ungo there.

 

[Alpha Fail]

Woah. Hold on a minute,I only mentioned addictions to drugs, alcohol and tobacco in reply to someone else who likened them to gambling. To suggest I'm ignorant and judgemental of anyone who had suffered child abuse is ridiculous.

You described substance addiction as a choice made by free will when it usually isn't. Yes, people often choose to take their first puff of brown but the context and reasons for so doing are, n the addict, tied to choiceless situations and the psychological impacts they have.

 

[winnits]

Beware Pandora's box when tackling root causes, once you've gone somewhere you can't ungo there.

True!

 

[RichardKeysLovesLingard]

I suppose the sexual abuse that a scary number of children who go on to be heroin addicts suffer was their free will as well?

When do people start smoking? As rational, learned adults or during that pubescent rush of immortality and conviction that adults are simply trying to prevent you from enjoying life?

You know virtually nothing about this stuff and you sound pig ignorant to anyone with half a clue. I suggest you educate yourself. I'd do it myself but I'm off the clock and sick of spelling things out to the lazy and judgemental for free.

It's there choice to use heroin as a way of forgetting or blocking it out.

 

[Jericho]

so I'm torn.

Not half as much as he will be in those showers

 

[bakeri666]

It's there choice to use heroin as a way of forgetting or blocking it out.

There is certainly the choice of counselling and psychiatric care to help deal with, process, come to terms with and move on from the trauma... But heroin is much more accessible