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Financial Fair Play (FFP)
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Tricky Tourist
Viv Anderson
Now that would really be the stuff of miracles (#2) wouldn't it?
UnFrustratedRed
Grenville Morris
It's a good statement and it's important that it states what every football fan knows. The Prem is fixed in favour of the established top teams .
Redemption
One less gobshite...
Then perhaps the statement should have said something different...
Acknowledge the punishment; say were considering our options; make a rallying call to players, support staff and fans to fight for survival.
Steve Chettles Brylcream
First Team Squad
YES YES YES
Forest are being rode rotten and have to fight this. The club had done absolutely nothing wrong, its the league who are at fault here and delighted we are intent on letting the world know
I'm Red Till Dead
Stuart Pearce
I thinks any points deduction on the second charge will be suspended and only applied if they breach again this year.
Redemption
One less gobshite...
We didn't spend £34.5m more than the rules allow. Cool.
We are not in line at all, On Course to make a loss of 12-17m this year. Which would probably mean we are still 10m over the 83m limit. But if we get the 15m extra before June for Mangala we should be in line just about
Munich and Madrid
A. Trialist
Explain what in your opinion makes this not a streetwise opinion?
YellowBelly Red
Viv Anderson
Fifteen months on from Manchester City being charged and nothing. Save a mealy mouthed submission by Richard Masters to a Commons Select Committee, that a date had been fixed but he wasn't able to tell anyone what that date is!!
Taking out points deduction out of the equation for a moment, its no surprise that the bottom three in the PL are the three that came up.
Forest are right to call out injustices. And I'm sure that Everton aren't going to lie down either.
Taking out points deduction out of the equation for a moment, its no surprise that the bottom three in the PL are the three that came up.
Forest are right to call out injustices. And I'm sure that Everton aren't going to lie down either.
Shearstone
Misses the champ
That would depend if their commission consider their initial sanction higher than it should have been and second, that they have not made any attempt to reduce their losses in the year.
It could be the latter as they sold Gordon for £50mil and still somehow failed this season however I don't, from the top of my head know what their profit/loss was for the season that has been dropped from this year's rolling 3 year window. Assuming it was a profit year then that could explain how they're still in breach. So if this seasons accounts shows a profit or a significant reduction in loss that would show a positive trend which the commission would take into account.
I'm Red Till Dead
Stuart Pearce
I read paul Merson but my brain always sees
Paul Merton!
GreeksBearingGifts
Stuart Pearce
I expected three points. As for the blame game, we all know that the ffp rules breach was Alf's fault. He single-handedly forced Vrentzos out of the club and EM was left without his money man. 
Steve Chettles Brylcream
First Team Squad
Thats an issue of timing not malpractise
Cloughie1975
John Robertson
Agreed-but I’m pleased Forest have issued a statement basically highlighting the uneven nature
of the Premier League.
Project Zeus
Steve Chettle
George cooney
Viv Anderson
cool silver fish,F1S or carp mate..
Trents
John Robertson
I didn't think suspended points were a thing anymore. It was the reasoning to push submission dates earlier. To make sure punishments get applied to current season.
Redemption
One less gobshite...
Not sure if it’s already been posted but here’s the official statement from NFFC…
Nottingham Forest is extremely disappointed with the decision of the Commission to impose a sanction on the Club of four points, to be applied with immediate effect.
Notwithstanding our disappointment, we thank the Commission for agreeing to deal with this matter on an expedited basis. The Club considers it to be essential for the integrity of the league to have charges resolved in the season in which they are issued.
We were extremely dismayed by the tone and content of the Premier League’s submissions before the Commission.
After months of engagement with the Premier League, and exceptional cooperation throughout, this was unexpected and has harmed the trust and confidence we had in the Premier League.
That the Premier League sought a sanction of eight points as a starting point was utterly disproportionate when compared to the nine points that their own rules prescribe for insolvency.
We were also surprised that the Premier League gave no consideration at all to the unique circumstances of the Club and its mitigation. In circumstances where this approach is followed by future PSR commissions, it would make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, for newly promoted clubs without parachute payments to compete, thus undermining the integrity and competitiveness of the Premier League.
Whilst the Premier League may have called into question the Club’s business plan, the Club maintains that it responsibly balanced compliance with PSR with important investment into the squad to give us the ability to compete in the league for the first time in over 20 years.
Even after the Club had missed the PSR reporting deadline, it still took steps to ensure Brennan Johnson was sold before the end of the transfer window. That was a clear demonstration of our respect and support for PSR.
The Commission's decision raises issues of concern for all aspirant clubs. The player transfer market is a highly specialised trading environment that cannot be compared to the sale of normal products and services.
There will be occasions when a player transfer cannot be completed in the first half of a transfer window and can only be completed at the end of that window. This should not be a reason for the condemnation of a club. For this not to be recognised by the Commission or the Premier League should be a matter of extreme concern for all fans of our national game.
Of wider concern for all aspirant clubs is the disturbing effect this decision will have on the operation of the player trading model. This is the only model by which clubs outside of the small group at the very top end of the Premier League can realistically advance up the football pyramid.
The rationale of the Commission is that clubs should only invest after they have realised a profit on their player development. This reasoning destroys mobility in the football pyramid and the effect of the decision will be to drastically reduce the room for manoeuvre for all such clubs, leading to the stagnation of our national game.
We believe that the high levels of cooperation the Club has shown during this process, and which are confirmed and recorded in the Commission's decision, were not reciprocated by the Premier League.
www.nottinghamforest.co.uk
Nottingham Forest is extremely disappointed with the decision of the Commission to impose a sanction on the Club of four points, to be applied with immediate effect.
Notwithstanding our disappointment, we thank the Commission for agreeing to deal with this matter on an expedited basis. The Club considers it to be essential for the integrity of the league to have charges resolved in the season in which they are issued.
We were extremely dismayed by the tone and content of the Premier League’s submissions before the Commission.
After months of engagement with the Premier League, and exceptional cooperation throughout, this was unexpected and has harmed the trust and confidence we had in the Premier League.
That the Premier League sought a sanction of eight points as a starting point was utterly disproportionate when compared to the nine points that their own rules prescribe for insolvency.
We were also surprised that the Premier League gave no consideration at all to the unique circumstances of the Club and its mitigation. In circumstances where this approach is followed by future PSR commissions, it would make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, for newly promoted clubs without parachute payments to compete, thus undermining the integrity and competitiveness of the Premier League.
Whilst the Premier League may have called into question the Club’s business plan, the Club maintains that it responsibly balanced compliance with PSR with important investment into the squad to give us the ability to compete in the league for the first time in over 20 years.
Even after the Club had missed the PSR reporting deadline, it still took steps to ensure Brennan Johnson was sold before the end of the transfer window. That was a clear demonstration of our respect and support for PSR.
The Commission's decision raises issues of concern for all aspirant clubs. The player transfer market is a highly specialised trading environment that cannot be compared to the sale of normal products and services.
There will be occasions when a player transfer cannot be completed in the first half of a transfer window and can only be completed at the end of that window. This should not be a reason for the condemnation of a club. For this not to be recognised by the Commission or the Premier League should be a matter of extreme concern for all fans of our national game.
Of wider concern for all aspirant clubs is the disturbing effect this decision will have on the operation of the player trading model. This is the only model by which clubs outside of the small group at the very top end of the Premier League can realistically advance up the football pyramid.
The rationale of the Commission is that clubs should only invest after they have realised a profit on their player development. This reasoning destroys mobility in the football pyramid and the effect of the decision will be to drastically reduce the room for manoeuvre for all such clubs, leading to the stagnation of our national game.
We believe that the high levels of cooperation the Club has shown during this process, and which are confirmed and recorded in the Commission's decision, were not reciprocated by the Premier League.
Club statement
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www.nottinghamforest.co.uk
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
It's has potential to antagonize people in authority, and potentially see less things go in our favour as a consequence.
Tricky Tourist
Viv Anderson
Acquiescence is hardly a call to arms though, is it? It's a rotten system, and it needs challenging. Why not us?