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Jesse Ellis Lingard

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IdiotTricky

First Team Squad
@Statto Agree. Mangala was/is on the fringes of the Belgian squad; Frueler an absolutely key player for a brilliant Atalanta side. Aurier could probably have had his pick of European top division clubs. I'm not saying Lingard was definitely a factor, but if you're trying to sell a project, a player of his calibre helps, imho.

We signed some quality beforehand but, possibly Niakhate aside, none of them were proven top level performers. Even Richards, though highly regarded, wasn't a first team regular at Bayern.
 
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Larry Lansbury

Viv Anderson
Just reading the Athletic and it said ‘Jesse Lingard has also missed chunks of the season and seen his match sharpness dip, due to non-injury-related reasons’. So interesting-seems to be personal stuff going on possibly, who knows. Wish him well 😀
 
RichardKeysLovesLingard

RichardKeysLovesLingard

First Team Squad
Larry Lansbury said:
Just reading the Athletic and it said ‘Jesse Lingard has also missed chunks of the season and seen his match sharpness dip, due to non-injury-related reasons’. So interesting-seems to be personal stuff going on possibly, who knows. Wish him well 😀
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I would imagine that would be down to his own personal demons and that of his mothers. I have nothing but the utmost respect and admiration for anybody that is so open and honest about their struggles.

It is such a shame he was messed about in his final season at United, but if he hadn't been the likelihood of him arriving at TWFCG would be zero.
 
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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
I am glad he is going to be honest, 100k a week for someone that is always out isnt worth it. Even if he is good in the dressing room. I was never fond of him to begin with as I felt he cared too much about his image and it was unhealthy for him.
 
Redemption

Redemption

One less gobshite...
Mogwai

Mogwai

First Team Squad
In footballing terms, it was a massive waste of money. But in retrospect, who knows just what impact he had behind the scenes. From seeing all of the behind the scenes footage, his almost childlike enthusiasm and positivity may well have been the glue that bonded a group of strangers together.

That was never the plan of course. But we all know that morale plays a massive part in this game.

There's many reasons we stayed up this season, but I like to believe that Lingard played a small part in it, even if it wasn't on the pitch.
 
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weejockmcplop

Geoff Thomas
Mogwai said:
In footballing terms, it was a massive waste of money. But in retrospect, who knows just what impact he had behind the scenes. From seeing all of the behind the scenes footage, his almost childlike enthusiasm and positivity may well have been the glue that bonded a group of strangers together.

That was never the plan of course. But we all know that morale plays a massive part in this game.

There's many reasons we stayed up this season, but I like to believe that Lingard played a small part in it, even if it wasn't on the pitch.
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In football terms, its actually quite a small waste of money.
Look at the £1.18 billion Man U have spent on players in the last 10 years. That's a massive waste of money.
 
GOBIAS

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
Bonalair said:
I have (stupidly) been arguing on Facebook all week. So many articles listing him as a massive failure and waste of money. I reckon he cost us £5m tops?

Shelvey - now that was a waste of money.
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Yeah in premier league terms he was a fairly low risk signing. His signing possibly was a statement of intent that might have persuaded other players to sign for us over others.

He was starting to pick up in form until the injury did him. And he was a far better character to have around than I expected.

Unfortunately you’ll never win these arguments when the lazy, uneducated media narrative is coming from talk sport and Richard keys.
 
adam09

adam09

Super Koopa
weejockmcplop said:
In football terms, its actually quite a small waste of money.
Look at the £1.18 billion Man U have spent on players in the last 10 years. That's a massive waste of money.
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And they don't recoup much because they refuse to sell players like Lingard when West Ham wanted him, for a reasonable fee, because they think they are worth top money when everybody knows United are minted and have to overpay/undersell... so they end up losing them for nowt.

I wonder if Lingard had an impact financially in other ways eg social media/merchendise/media attention? It certainly boosted our profile and attracted attention good and bad. Perhaps that helps pay some of his wages and has a long term benefit as well.
 
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McKenzie

Geoff Thomas
I think all of this can be true - one year was relatively low risk and he was clearly good in the dressing room. Although on the flip side if on one hand you can say his signing attracted other signings (good chance of this I'd say) also his wage, being so widely reported, could well have set a benchmark for any future signings for agents "If Lingard is on X, my client deserves Y". All conjecture of course but some of these rumored salaries of the January signings are eye watering. Thus pushing our wage bill higher and also disenfranchising some of the earlier signings or last season's players.
 
Dirk Furtull

Dirk Furtull

John Robertson
No issues with Lingard whatsoever. Yes I'd have liked to have seen more from him on the pitch but his influence off it is clear to see. MGW was talking about the atmosphere in the changing room being amazing and I expect that's in no small part down to Jesse. Let's not underestimate how important that's been this season.


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Omar Devone Little

Omar Devone Little

Mr Realistic
Bonalair said:
I have (stupidly) been arguing on Facebook all week. So many articles listing him as a massive failure and waste of money. I reckon he cost us £5m tops?

Shelvey - now that was a waste of money.
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I reckon you double that amount for Lingard.
 
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lavelleuk

First Team Squad
GOBIAS said:
£100k a week is £5m. Do you really think we paid him £200k? I can’t see it.
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I thought it was supposed to closer to 60k too?

Started 3 of our 9 wins, started as we beat Liverpool, great in helping us to first semi final in 3 decades, now he's gone so not paying his wages for years

Cost us less than arter and I've seen people loving cafu but in terms of contract length I doubt there's too much between them either. At the end of the day he's a reason we're staying in the prem and now we move on
 
GOBIAS

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
lavelleuk said:
I thought it was supposed to closer to 60k too?

Started 3 of our 9 wins, started as we beat Liverpool, great in helping us to first semi final in 3 decades, now he's gone so not paying his wages for years

Cost us less than arter and I've seen people loving cafu but in terms of contract length I doubt there's too much between them either. At the end of the day he's a reason we're staying in the prem and now we move on
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Yeah no idea of the numbers but enough have said it’s more 80k ish to doubt the £200k. There will be signing in fees and bonuses but i definitely can’t see it being £10m
 
Omar Devone Little

Omar Devone Little

Mr Realistic
Bonalair said:
According to media reports he was also on £200k a week, which he wasn’t, so there’s that.
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I think what they did to sensationalise the deal was to incorporate the signing on fee into his weekly wage. I'd be surprised if we got much change out of £10m for the whole deal.

In fact I reckon that he was on big appearance bonuses too which might explain why Cooper never brought him on towards the end.
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
I don't blame the club for going for Lingard.

We needed to bolster our attack, when he was good at West Ham it was when he was given room in a quick counter attacking side. It made sense before the potential commercial opportunity for Forest and the influence he might have had on other players signing.

No it didn't work out in terms of performances but that's football.

I wouldn't mind Forest trying similar (players who we might think are too good for us, 1 year, highly paid) deals again in the near future.

Also hope Lingard finds a new club that suits him rather than having to swan off to Saudi Arabia.
 
GOBIAS

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
Captain Sinister said:
We paid him a signing on fee of around £4m according to media reports.
That makes £9m or thereabouts.
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Really? I don’t remember reading about that to be honest. Not that I’m saying we didn’t. I thought it was straight wages which I’d heard varying figures banded about. I’m sure there will have been a signing in fee though.

If he hadn’t been injured £10m would still have been a decent deal for a player of his previous quality all in.

I’d still be amazed if it was that much though.
 
Erik

Erik

oopsy daisy!
LTLF Minion
Following Forest over the last 20 years or so has made us all reasonably good at spotting players who've come here to just sit on a large wage and do eff all to contribute to the cause in any way.

Jesse Lingard is categorically not one of them.

He came unfit, he was getting there but got injured yet by the looks of it he still showed up and even if he was a very expensive cheerleader he committed to the cause and helped as best he could. When he did play you could see he was at least trying.

He came here with the intention of helping us stay up. We stayed up. Job done.

If we we want to say that it was £10m wasted we got much more than that by staying up. If you'd have said to me last June that we would have to throw away £10m but that it would help keep us up I'd have taken it.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Exactly, if you asked me would do it again without hindsight the answer will be yes 100/100. I think people that say they wouldn't are disingenuous.

People forget there was a point in time it genuinely looked like we were missing out on MGW, we desperately needed somebody for that role else just incase.

As people often say about managers, the hardest job is keeping the players not playing happy. For me Lingard set the tone to the rest of the squad, we saw over the season players less involved were becoming more and more involved as they wanted to be part of the group - make no mistake Lingard played his part in that by setting the example.
 
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