BOSTON_RED
Geoff Thomas
A plane is a plane , not matter what angle you look at it..lines should still be parallel ...
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REDDERS78
Jack Armstrong
I don't see how they can ever be guaranteed accuracy unless they use an overhead grid system with actual accurate equipment .
Slowing the camera down and using a blary ass image to guess if its left a players foot and then just referencing it to a goal scorers position is ridiculous.
They've tried to do it cheaply and its bullshit. Get an accurate system in place or f*** it off. f***ing hate it.
Slowing the camera down and using a blary ass image to guess if its left a players foot and then just referencing it to a goal scorers position is ridiculous.
They've tried to do it cheaply and its bullshit. Get an accurate system in place or f*** it off. f***ing hate it.
Morpeth
John Robertson
I hope you're not being serious. Do the goal lines look parallel to you when you watch a game on the TV or own the main stand?
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
What pisses me off with this is that the sport shouldn't be that tight about such rules anyway.I thought the offside was close, but didn't question it on the night, but having looked again.
How the hell have they come up with the red line? It looks angled away from his knee as it goes down. If you look where his boot is touching the pitch signified by the blue line there is no way his knee is overhanging his boot by the distance between the blue & red line.
Also the the shot they chose to base it on it looks like the ball has left MGW boot.
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The whole point in offside is to stop players goal-hanging to prevent shit games. All this nonesense about a leg or arm offside has totally forgotten what the point in the rule is anyway. Having parts of your limbs offside is a f***ing joke really.
VAR shouldn't be needed. Officials just need to start developing common sense.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Said last night I thought the frame they used to judge the offside was the wrong one given the ball already left MGW boot.I thought the offside was close, but didn't question it on the night, but having looked again.
How the hell have they come up with the red line? It looks angled away from his knee as it goes down. If you look where his boot is touching the pitch signified by the blue line there is no way his knee is overhanging his boot by the distance between the blue & red line.
Also the the shot they chose to base it on it looks like the ball has left MGW boot.
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No qualms about the drawing of lines but would be interesting to see those same lines on a slightly earlier frame...
BOSTON_RED
Geoff Thomas
I'm talking about the plane drawn to the line, the vertical lines. Agree there will be a small divergence in the two lines at the field plane , I'm not debating that. The camera angle plane needs to be the reference everything is drawn to, if it's not perpendicular to the field plane then I don't know how they do it unless they calibrate it all pre-match..maybe they do...it's all very subjective anyway
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Morpeth
John Robertson
Haha oh right - fair enough!
magicwoand
It tizwas it is
The fairest system for offside now that we're using technology is to only base it solely on foot position. If a player is leaning forward it shouldn't matter as long as their feet are inline with the last defenders feet. It would eliminate the inaccurate vertical line that they draw from someones arse or sleeve. In every other part of football the line is the deciding factor it doesn't matter if the player is overhanging with any part off his body for example a penalty kick encroachment, free kicks walls and even the ball as per Japan in the World Cup.
Chappers85
Can't Play Left-Back
It's the difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the game. Technically it's offside but just doesn't seem right. Without drawing lines, it looks onside to the human eye. The game is played and officiated by humans, not robots. They've got to find a way to give the advantage back to the attacker. Maybe if any part of the attacker's body is in line with the last defender, it's onside?
Canadian_red
Grenville Morris
That's similar to how they do it in ice hockey, only that the offside line is fixed. If the person with the puck skates over the line, or someone is accepting the puck near the line, you have to have part of your skate still behind the plane. Players will be in the opposition zone for the most part, but drag their skate to stay onside. 
Also, the coaches can ask for an offside review in the event of a goal, but if they get it wrong it's a 2 minute one man advantage to the other team upon the restart (and the goal stands obviously). They have one challenge, which is maintained if they're correct.
Also, the coaches can ask for an offside review in the event of a goal, but if they get it wrong it's a 2 minute one man advantage to the other team upon the restart (and the goal stands obviously). They have one challenge, which is maintained if they're correct.
Morpeth
John Robertson
I can't see FIFA going for ice skates.
Berkshire Red
Jack Armstrong
depends how much money you promise Infantino.
GOBIAS
Ian Bowyer
My issue is why are they drawing lines in this scenario? Do they want to chalk goals off? The AR didn’t flag, I was told last night the VAR people will watch it to see if it needs a review. But if you watch that back in real time you don’t spot a clear and obvious error. Fair enough if the linesman flags use the lines. If not and it isn’t obvious then let it go.
Last night it probably killed the momentum, the game and the tie. Is that what they want? I know it has been said Sam should look down the line but he can’t be aware that his knee cap was half an inch offside, if he was running and his knee was further down he may have been on. It’s not what offside was brought in for.
Having said that we got a decision in the palace and Leicester games and I was pretty convinced both were off. Would I swap one of those for last nights? Absolutely not.
Canadian_red
Grenville Morris
Someone should tell Dennis.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
I've proper found myself not celebrating goals now. I'm always half expecting VAR to f*** it up.
Honestly, it's f***ing worse than the Golden Goal in it's current form, and only the fuckwitts who run the game can't see it.
Project Zeus
Steve Chettle
I think using technology to review tight calls is the way to go.
We all remember being knocked out of the World Cup with a goal that was two feet over the line being ruled out. And we've all seen hundreds of penalty and offside mistakes with huge ramifications.
It needs to improve though. The cameras are clearly not good enough - get some proper 240hz equipment set up, and the rules updated to reflect the technology and when it should be utilised.
It amazes me that stadiums don't have either moving cameras or a series of stationary ones that are lined up at 90 degree angles with the touchline. There'd be no need for drawing lines or rotating images if they did this.
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We all remember being knocked out of the World Cup with a goal that was two feet over the line being ruled out. And we've all seen hundreds of penalty and offside mistakes with huge ramifications.
It needs to improve though. The cameras are clearly not good enough - get some proper 240hz equipment set up, and the rules updated to reflect the technology and when it should be utilised.
It amazes me that stadiums don't have either moving cameras or a series of stationary ones that are lined up at 90 degree angles with the touchline. There'd be no need for drawing lines or rotating images if they did this.
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GOBIAS
Ian Bowyer
I actually did last night because it never entered my head it was offside. The palace one and the Johnson one I was fully resigned to the goal being offside
GOBIAS
Ian Bowyer
I don’t have problems with some of the tech. It is the haphazard way it is used. It should be consistent in its usage.
siforest65
Jack Burkitt
We’ve benefited from VAR decisions against teams smaller than us such as Huddersfield, West Ham , Leicester and Bournemouth but it’s gone against us against the bigger clubs of Liverpool and Man Utd.
Tongue in cheek of course but I think it’s helped us more than it’s hindered us.
Does spoil the enjoyment of the game though.
Tongue in cheek of course but I think it’s helped us more than it’s hindered us.
Does spoil the enjoyment of the game though.
Morpeth
John Robertson
Benefitting or not is not the issue.
It's just shit.
It's just shit.
magicwoand
It tizwas it is
The chip in the ball like they used in the World Cup, should be mandatory. rather than flicking through 3 frames of fuzzy video to determine the time of pass. TBF in our favour I was amazed how shit the angle they used for Johnsons goal against Leicester. Extrapolating a correct offside call from that seemed absolute bullshit.
Frank Clark’s Tash
Jack Burkitt
Just as much chance of getting relegated because of VAR, and actually more likely, given the bias in the process towards 'big' clubs.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
Its simple for me
Offside is an offence - like a foul, but not one which has any penalty other than the attacking move being invalidated.
For any offence to be committed, there has to be sufficient confidence there has been an offence for the decision to be considered an offence.
Therefore, a tackle isn't a foul unless the onfield officials determine it so and if necessary VAR agrees. If it is a free kick is given and a card if necessary
A contact with the arm/hand isn't penalised unless the onfield officials determine the contact is deliberate to gain an advantage and if necessary VAR agrees. Same result.
A player is by default onside so for an offside to be given the onfield officials need to determine so and VAR confirms that this decision is correct if necessary
In all cases, the decision shouldn't be overturned by VAR unless it's an obvious error which could have been seen in real time by the human officials at the match
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
I think we've probably had one of the highest tallies of goals disallowed or reviewed by VAR in the PL. Is there a figure for this anywhere?
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