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Grenville Morris
In his defence he isn't wrong, he's just being direct with his answer rather than the usual beating around the bush. They've had a dire summer window so far
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In his defence he isn't wrong, he's just being direct with his answer rather than the usual beating around the bush. They've had a dire summer window so far
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I'm still here Crewton
Leicester could be in trouble this season. Schmeichel going to France and Newcastle after Maddison, big holes to fill if they both go.
Tiff
Matchday Squad
Add to that Harold Steptoe is another year older and getting more and more injury prone.
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Morpeth
John Robertson
Said it before, next season Lester are gonners unless they bring it forward a year.
Wolves are also dicing with it too - I expect them to be in a big scrap all season.
Wolves are also dicing with it too - I expect them to be in a big scrap all season.
Redemption
Chief Eye Roller
After the Wagatha verdict this week, could see him going to MLS for a couple of seasons to get away from it. Could happen before the close of the window.
RedDogChris
RedDogChris
Don't think they will be in trouble regarding relegation just yet but they could be approaching the start of a much overdue decline. Here's hoping!
Ashley
Steve Chettle
Wouldn't surprise me either. He's won the Premier League and FA Cup which is as good as it is ever going to get for him (and to be fair, what a career its been for him considering that he came from non-league!), so I can hardly blame him for going to the MLS to top up his pension and see out the remaining years of his career in relative comfort.
Fitzcarraldo
Ian Storey-Moore
Leicester have been hit harder financially than most clubs in recent years and all clubs know this. Then you have Rodgers going public with the 'balancing the books' comment and all of a sudden it's open season on Leicesters top talent. Fofana to Chelsea, Teilemans to Arsenal etc. Three that are worth a look at are Barnes, Dewsbury-Hall and, Ndidi. Would welcome any of those here.
Vardy to DC United, then?
Redemption
Chief Eye Roller
That would be fun.
But I can see him going NYC where he could put some time in Rochester, which he co-owns.
Trents
John Robertson
Why are they in so much bother financially? They always seemed to get a very decent price for a player each season.
16/17 - £32mil - Kante to Chelsea
17/18 - £34mil - Drinkwater to Chelsea
18/19 - £61mil - Mahrez to Man City
19/20 - £78mil - Maguire to Man Utd
20/21 - £45mil - Chilwell to Chelsea
Have they really spunked more than all that on bang average replacements(yes I know about the league win)
Fitzcarraldo
Ian Storey-Moore
Higher than comparable reliance on matchday revenue and that old trap of having a bloated squad on high wages. Take note EM.
Redemption
Chief Eye Roller
Wage to Income Ratio is over 100%
eyupmeduck
Geoff Thomas
They consistently spend more than they bring in, for example when they sold Maguire for £80m they spent £105m on a few signings.
You also have to couple the generous bonuses, gifts like cars and huge salary uplifts that players get, I'm sure Vardy is on £150k which means that they also spend more than they bring in and have some massive earners there.
I think until recently the owners have been quite generous, especially since they sponsor the ground and used to sponsor the kit as well but as their business is Duty Free which has been massively hit by the pandemic, it's almost a perfect storm in that they are unable to fund the club beyond its means because their business has also been hit quite badly.
I think that they have a few players agitating to move possibly because they see that things won't be that easy this season.
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Rzar
Bob McKinlay
Easy to hide behind FFP (Fawaz did that when he didn't wanna spend anymore) but I wonder if the owner is struggling financially, the main bread winner is duty free shops - that would have taken a hit in the last few years. Even now they are very strict at that side of the world.
They also have poor revenues for a club that has been in the top 10 for the past 5+ years which is quite suprising.
Seems like every club is struggling with FFP atm, I bet the top 6 are delighted. Working perfectly as planned.
They also have poor revenues for a club that has been in the top 10 for the past 5+ years which is quite suprising.
Seems like every club is struggling with FFP atm, I bet the top 6 are delighted. Working perfectly as planned.
Ashley
Steve Chettle
Yep, that is exactly what FFP was designed to do. Protect the established clubs from being challenged by limiting what owners can invest. Its always been about stifling competition.
Fitzcarraldo
Ian Storey-Moore
Genuine question, if you released the shackles of FFP and hand control to the market what short, mid and long term scenarios are most likely?
Ashley
Steve Chettle
It'd largely go back to how things were pre-FFP I'd imagine. Back then, the likes of Chelsea and Man City were able to establish themselves as challengers to the likes of Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool; FFP prevents this from happening again.
FFP has done pretty much nothing to stop clubs getting into financial difficulty (which is the powers that be claimed it was designed to do). You only have to look down the road to see that FFP does absolutely nothing to stop bad owners leading their clubs into financial ruin.
Fitzcarraldo
Ian Storey-Moore
Not interested in FFP in its current form, I'm thinking more in terms of an environment without any or minimum regulations that don't shackle the levels of investment and where any investor could buy in unhindered. For example, nothing could stop the Saudi regime buying Scunthorpe and spending £3bn.
Morpeth
John Robertson
Except 'reason'.
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
The whole point of FFP was to stop clubs going out of business. That point is missed nowadays.
I don't think they should go back to the wild west.
I would personally simplify it to:
- If you make a loss over X amount, then it has to be covered by a capital injection or you are put under embargo
- An owner can invest anything they want past that point but all future costs would have to be paid upfront to prevent overspending.
I dunno whether it would work, I am not a financial expert but I just hate the fact clubs have owners and they aren't allowed to put money in that they clearly have.
Football should never be a closed shop, even if it means those with the deepest pockets win, but it's always been like that. The point is everybody has a chance. When we signed Trevor Francis that was 60% of our annual revenue, would be like Man City spending over £350m on a player currently.
I don't think they should go back to the wild west.
I would personally simplify it to:
- If you make a loss over X amount, then it has to be covered by a capital injection or you are put under embargo
- An owner can invest anything they want past that point but all future costs would have to be paid upfront to prevent overspending.
I dunno whether it would work, I am not a financial expert but I just hate the fact clubs have owners and they aren't allowed to put money in that they clearly have.
Football should never be a closed shop, even if it means those with the deepest pockets win, but it's always been like that. The point is everybody has a chance. When we signed Trevor Francis that was 60% of our annual revenue, would be like Man City spending over £350m on a player currently.
Listen 'ere young man
Jack Burkitt
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Redemption
Chief Eye Roller
FFP is there to stop chancers from taking over clubs and loading them with debt to chase the dream.
Thomas
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Ashley
Steve Chettle
It hasn't really done that though, in fact we have scenarios where owners load the club with debt just to buy the club (Burnley). If anything there seems to more badly run clubs than ever, particularly below the Premier League. FFP even lead to clubs doing some incredibly reckless things like selling their stadiums to get around the rules (something that very nearly killed Derby County and will no doubt come back to haunt other clubs in the future).
FFP does absolutely nothing to protect clubs, and has only really benefitted the established big clubs.