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Philip Aksel Frigast Zinckernagel

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Grenville Morris
Ashley said:
As I said in another thread, I think £2m for Zincs would be a bargain. Criminally underrated by some of our fans IMO. I'd love to see him back here next season.
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Don't think hes "criminally underrated" by most but I do think a) his decision making doesn't match his ball skills and b) hes at an age and stage that that's not going to get better, so there will be little upside with him over the coming few years. That being said 2M is a fair price assuming hes not on crazy wages...
 
Jah

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Jack Armstrong
If Watford were prepared to let him go for less than 5M, I would be struggling to remain seated
 
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Jack Armstrong
He'd be a better option off the bench than Lolley or Mighten. It depends how many we bring in, but a £2m sub I'd be OK with.
 
karteo

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Jack Armstrong
garibaldi said:
He'd be a better option off the bench than Lolley or Mighten. It depends how many we bring in, but a £2m sub I'd be OK with.
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one thing i cannot understand is what happened to Lolley. why is he in such a career decline?
 
Heffing Psycho!

Heffing Psycho!

Steve Chettle
karteo said:
one thing i cannot understand is what happened to Lolley. why is he in such a career decline?
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He has chronic compartment syndrome in his leg(s). Seemed to be able to manage it at his height but it looks to have affected him a lot over the past couple of seasons.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Heffing Psycho! said:
He has chronic compartment syndrome in his leg(s). Seemed to be able to manage it at his height but it looks to have affected him a lot over the past couple of seasons.
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The thing i'm not sure about with Lolley is how it's actually still affecting him - guess only really he, the club's medical staff and SC would really know.

As far as I remember he brought it on when he was at Hudds training/running too hard, which has effectively made the calf muscles basically too big for the calves...

So far (well, up until the lockdown season when he mentioned it) they'd been managing it with painkilling injections which usually keep it away for a bit.

Now the actual solution is to operate and basically remove some of the muscle which relieves the issue but for various reasons doing that on a professional athlete has its own risks.

So if the injections are still managing his condition that's going to be fine, physically he's OK I think, so it could well be that the issues are confidence, if he doesn't believe he can do it any more, or that he can't do it without hurting himself, then whether that's true or not, it's still going to be in his mind when he's trying to take on a defender or something.

I know he came to pro football late after going to uni and playing in non league for a bit but he's 30 in August and presumably this isn't going to get any better. In reality also he wasn't good enough for Hudds in the PL and was less affected by these issues then as opposed to now, so not really sure what he's going to be worth this season to us, probably needs a loan to the championship where he'll play regularly. But in all likelihood I'd be surprised if he's still playing in 2 years.
 
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Jack Armstrong
karteo said:
one thing i cannot understand is what happened to Lolley. why is he in such a career decline?
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No idea mate. One thing I do know is that these days every shot he has is blocked. I never noticed it until my brother pointed it out midway through the season, but it's infuriating.

At least 1 of his blocked shots set up Brennan in Sheffield though. :D
 
Dirk Furtull

Dirk Furtull

John Robertson
I think it's mainly psychological with Joe. After all his physical issues he looks fitter now but has never really got going again. I think a decent pre season and he'll be back more like his old self. If anyone can get him firing again it's Steve Cooper.

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Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Injuries have played a part for sure but he hasn't adapted his game. He does the exact same stuff he did 3 years ago and expects it to work. He lost his unpredictability which was his biggest strength.
 
Morpeth

Morpeth

John Robertson
NFFC_Josh said:
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I’m pleased you put this video on.

I’ve almost been convinced over the past few days and weeks by the majority of us saying that Zinks is overrrated, needed to be dropped and we don’t need to target him as a permanent signing.

But my actual thoughts are that he’s been unfairly criticised over the past couple of months and despite not always getting the end results, he’s been making the right decisions in almost every situation and just not getting the run of the ball. That goes for final balls being flukily intercepted through to wrong referee decisions on little things like throw ins and corners.

I think we need him and I also think he’s a starter. £2m is being bandied about but if we’re thinking Spence/Garner are between £12-20m each then I’d easily pay bottom end of that.

He’s a really good player, works hard, and causes no troubles. Key target and relatively easy to obtain.


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Grenville Morris
karteo said:
one thing i cannot understand is what happened to Lolley. why is he in such a career decline?
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I'm still not sure with Lolley. I'd give him a chance, its quite possible that the injuries have done him in but its also possible that he needs a long time to get back to where he was including a proper pre-season.
Mighten needs a loan. Can't see him getting too much time in the prem with his current cameos and if he does it means we are in big trouble IMO
 
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edgardinho said:
I’m pleased you put this video on.

I’ve almost been convinced over the past few days and weeks by the majority of us saying that Zinks is overrrated, needed to be dropped and we don’t need to target him as a permanent signing.

But my actual thoughts are that he’s been unfairly criticised over the past couple of months and despite not always getting the end results, he’s been making the right decisions in almost every situation and just not getting the run of the ball. That goes for final balls being flukily intercepted through to wrong referee decisions on little things like throw ins and corners.

I think we need him and I also think he’s a starter. £2m is being bandied about but if we’re thinking Spence/Garner are between £12-20m each then I’d easily pay bottom end of that.

He’s a really good player, works hard, and causes no troubles. Key target and relatively easy to obtain.


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I don't think anyone is doubting that Zink has a lovely touch and the ability to beat a player but for every silky run on this YT clip there are 10 where he does something good, beats a player then beats himself usually Turing back towards our goal before giving it away and Turing attack into defence. He then chases like a headless chicken and falls over getting booked in the process.
Hes got plenty of ability but his decision making is often suspect. If it weren't he'd be worth 35M
 
Erik

Erik

oopsy daisy!
LTLF Minion
Key component of an attacking force which scored the third most goals in the Championship last year (by nine goals). Despite giving every other team a 7 game head start.

'Not good enough.'

*Sighs*

If he's available for the reported £2m then it's a low risk option to give us, at worst, strength in depth. I honestly don't see the debate. We're not going to have a squad of 25 that can walk into any Premiership starting XI next season, so get the best we can. Zinkernagel fits that description as a squad player.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Exactly, we have a small squad because key players were loan players. We are gonna have to bulk up our squad regardless.

If we get Zinckernagel it's one less player to have a headache about and it's one less player to consider replacing.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
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He then chases like a headless chicken and falls over getting booked in the process.
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This is the worst take I have seen for a while cheapseats.

Utter and complete nonsense, Zinckernagel is our best presser of the ball, the amount of times he wins the ball back is amazing for an attacking player and he starts numerous goals and attacks from the work he does.

You can question his contribution on the ball and that he isn't ruthless enough, but to question his off the ball contributions is utterly mad for me.
 
Master Yates

Master Yates

John Robertson
Rzarecteh said:
This is the worst take I have seen for a while cheapseats.

Utter and complete nonsense, Zinckernagel is our best presser of the ball, the amount of times he wins the ball back is amazing for an attacking player and he starts numerous goals and attacks from the work he does.

You can question his contribution on the ball and that he isn't ruthless enough, but to question his off the ball contributions is utterly mad for me.
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His seat must be so cheap that he can’t see the game half the time


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Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Rzarecteh said:
Exactly, we have a small squad because key players were loan players. We are gonna have to bulk up our squad regardless.

If we get Zinckernagel it's one less player to have a headache about and it's one less player to consider replacing.
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It has its advantages though.

Signing the loans then becomes a question not a "how do we offload this 4m player we bought last summer/Jan who isn't good enough now we're PL" question.

It also looks smaller because the likes of Farter and Bong aren't there, hopefully the end of these shitty expensive contracts on nonsense.

So now we can have the argument (which I'm sure is happening inside the club too) as to whether PZ, KD, JG, ML, DS are ones we'd want in the PL or if we should look for other targets.

Personally I'd resign them, they know the club, and I'm sure Spence and Garner are first team quality in this division, Lowe would be decent cover for another LB, and Davis' power especially to the end of a game would still have an effect on defenders.

None of them have looked out of place in the matches we've played vs PL sides this season, crucially they know the club and don't need to settle in, and given their lack of PL experience wouldn't be as expensive as other cover options.

I think this summer we need to trust the names we are getting in from the board.

Even *that* summer bringing in Darcheville as a young option as cover on loan as well as Freedman would've been decent 3rd/4th strikers behind PvH and Campbell, which we didn't have and got lucky with the year before, but then we know what happened next, meaning we ended up with Neil Shipperley.

It's vital we keep our key players together this time and improve the squad.
 
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Viv Anderson
I like him battles and gets back to support the defence and can be very tricky on the ball, however he has a knack of undoing his or others hard work by holding on to the ball too long when a simple pass would and could have resulted a few extra goals this season and his ability with one to one against goalkeepers seems to always end with ball in the keepers hands.

At the beginning of the season he appeared to go missing but that was the case with all our players under CH he has steadly improved...2 million bargain, not been pessimistic but if next season we don't stay up we need to have players that can get us back up again that hasn't cost the club twelvety million and demand massive wages and it's beneath them to play in the Championship.
 
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Cortez the Killer

Cortez the Killer

Impressive member
He is easily worth 2m. Just as a reliable squad player who already knows the club and deserves rewarding with a part to play in the PL.

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Eddie Yates

Eddie Yates

Steve Chettle
£2m is a no brained, if he was a bit more clinical he'd worth 10 x that

Lolley is shot to f*** & won't even be a PL squad player, might get a decent fee if we flog him
 
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