Will vaccine passports reduce attendances at the City Ground?

[Cloughie1975]

I think the answer is almost certainly yes,but by how much?
The stated attendance against Peterborough was 28,000,but this would include season ticket holders
who didn't turn up-I reckon the actual crowd was around 25,000(there were fairly large gaps in the
Brian Clough upper where I was).
I think the vaccine passport requirement will reduce attendances by at least 5,000,as the casual
fan won't want to be bothered about standing in large queues to gain admission and also the general
hassle involved with mask wearing on the concourses(which I think is likely to be required).
Discuss.

 

[congo_red_49]

Discuss.

Whilst you're at it, you might want to speculate on how many Deaths caused by Covid have been Nottingham Forest fans in the last two years and what effect has this had on our attendances?

 

[Otis Redding]

You raise an interesting conversation Cloughie, but I can't see masks also being mandated inside stadiums when fans have proved they're fully vaccinated by way of the app, or have provided proof of a recent negative test. I've been more concerned about the overwhelming absence of masks in concourses as things have been since crowds returned.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

I don't think it'll have any obvious impact. Most people will want to see the football and if there's a bit of a queue so be it. I also think a lot of the younger males who are refusing the vaccine will suck it up and have it if means being able to watch Forest. Obviously there'll be a few people who simply won't do it, but nowhere near 5k, maybe 1k.

Whilst you're at it, you might want to speculate on how many Deaths caused by Covid have been Nottingham Forest fans in the last two years and what effect has this had on our attendances?

Well, at least the 200 odd who were on the video at the start of the season.

 

[Rigler]

also the general hassle involved with mask wearing on the concourses(which I think is likely to be required).
Discuss.

If anyone thinks it's a hassle to wear a f***ing mask then there's no hope for them :facepalm:

 

[Eddie Yates]

Don't think it will make much difference, you can still attend with a negative test even if your'e a filthy dirty virus spreading anti vax lunatic

 

[Rigler]

As for the original question of will it reduce attendance, that's an interesting on and we'll have to wait and see. My guess is that it may reduce it slightly but I'd be surprised if there are a significant amount who are put off by it. I could be wrong though, I guess we'll know in a weeks time. I went to a match during the Euros where you needed proof of vaccination or a negative test and it didn't put people off going there.

 

[Master Yates]

Don't think it will make much difference, you can still attend with a negative test even if your'e a filthy dirty virus spreading anti vax lunatic

Exactly. They don’t want to give fuel to the anti-vax nutters by mandating vaccination, so you’ll still be able to get in with a negative LFT.

You know, the one where you fill in your own result and it trusts that you a) actually did the test at all and b) were negative, but have no way of knowing that either of those things happened.

So anyone who doesn’t go to the football because they have to show something on their phone has got bigger problems. If we were not still stuck in the 20th century as a club, our tickets would be on our phones anyway.

Any effect on attendance is more likely people being cautious about crowds rather than “vaccine passports” (that aren’t passports and you can get around without even being vaccinated).

It’s a nonsense approach. It should either be: let everyone in, only let the fully vaccinated in, or let nobody in, depending on the severity of the situation. The government is trying to appease everyone with their half-hearted approach to this, and the only effect is to make all the requirements completely redundant, as anyone can get in anywhere with a negative LFT.


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[RedRobbo]

Exactly. They don’t want to give fuel to the anti-vax nutters by mandating vaccination, so you’ll still be able to get in with a negative LFT.

You know, the one where you fill in your own result and it trusts that you a) actually did the test at all and b) were negative, but have no way of knowing that either of those things happened.

So anyone who doesn’t go to the football because they have to show something on their phone has got bigger problems. If we were not still stuck in the 20th century as a club, our tickets would be on our phones anyway.

Any effect on attendance is more likely people being cautious about crowds rather than “vaccine passports” (that aren’t passports and you can get around without even being vaccinated).

It’s a nonsense approach. It should either be: let everyone in, only let the fully vaccinated in, or let nobody in, depending on the severity of the situation. The government is trying to appease everyone with their half-hearted approach to this, and the only effect is to make all the requirements completely redundant, as anyone can get in anywhere with a negative LFT.


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Agree with this.
Admission via a negative lateral flow test is a nonsense - the idiots will drive a coach & horses through it.

 

[Notcher]

Don't think it will make much difference, you can still attend with a negative test even if your'e a filthy dirty virus spreading anti vax lunatic

I'm fully vaccinated but there are questions over the long term effects. I'll fight for anyone's right to have the choice to decide whether they want it or not.

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[Flaggers]

I will fight for "no exemptions" to wearing masks on public transport.

 

[Statto]

Agree with this.
Admission via a negative lateral flow test is a nonsense - the idiots will drive a coach & horses through it.

Aside from the obvious issues - mainly people who will either lie about the LFT or not do it properly - given that vaccination doesn't stop you getting covid (but only reduces it) my view is that a properly done LFT is more reliable than anything else. Otherwise generally I agree.

I have my vaxport on my phone, QR code is valid for a few weeks, already in my wallet app, don't plan to go anywhere which requires it, but it's there if I do.

Most people aren't going to be inconvenienced by it. If you've done the right thing and got jabbed you don't need to do anything else. I'll be getting the 3rd when they open it up as well, as soon as I can. Surely not getting covid is enough motivation?

 

[Statto]

I will fight for "no exemptions" to wearing masks on public transport.

I'd prefer not to go on it at all when it's possible.

Saying that I'm sure some people who claim to be exempt are indeed just saying it because they don't want to wear a face covering.

 

[Captain Sinister]

I think the issue will be how long it takes the turnstile operators to check each person and refuse admission to anyone without the valid passport or negative lateral flow test.
6 foot neolithic knuckle dragger told he can't go in...
Stewards called to deal with angry fan.
Police called to help out.
Repeat at each turnstile several times.
Yet again Johnson and his team of morons have come up with a terrific solution in the COBRA room that has not a chance of working in the real world.

 

[Otis Redding]

I assume there will be some sort of "checkpoint" to negotiate before spectators reach the turnstiles Captain?

 

[Strummer]

I assume there will be some sort of "checkpoint" to negotiate before spectators reach the turnstiles Captain?

When I have visited the stadium of my local side, that is exactly how it works - there are lines of fans, in front of the (fully electronic) turnstiles and at the head of each line is a couple of guys (or girls, as there are separate queues for ladies) you show your vaccination certificate or negative test result certificate on your phone to one of them, then you get the usual pat-down search from the other (which is quite normal here), and hence the separated lines for female fans.

Once you’re done, you simply walk forward to the turnstile and scan-in your ticket, jobs a good ‚un, in you go.

Typically it takes no more than 20-30 additional seconds to get in. If you’re prepared, it’s even quicker.

Note that if you are unvaccinated and want to try and get in with a negative test, the test must be done and verified by an official test centre (and there are loads of those, including right next to the stadium where you can get an LFT and result in less than 20 minutes). Self-administered LFTs are not accepted.

 

[Rigler]

I am also assuming that Otis. Not sure how it will work though, at the trent end for example it would need to be very close to the actual turnstiles as there may be people walking down Trentside who aren't going to the match.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

If anyone thinks it's a hassle to wear a f***ing mask then there's no hope for them :facepalm:

For me I have no problem wearing a mask, it's more remembering to take one with you in the first place!

I've been caught out a few times when I've got to the shop and realised I'd forgotten to bring one.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

I'll fight for anyone's right to have the choice to decide whether they want it or not.

I will fight for "no exemptions" to wearing masks on public transport.

I wonder what the Beastie Boys would make of all this?

 

[forestzoe]

Agree with this.
Admission via a negative lateral flow test is a nonsense - the idiots will drive a coach & horses through it.

There's already idiots on SM saying they'll either just send a false negative or screenshot someone else's passport

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[Strummer]

I wonder what the Beastie Boys would make of all this?

They would blame it all on Ill Communication.

 

[Captain Sinister]

I assume there will be some sort of "checkpoint" to negotiate before spectators reach the turnstiles Captain?

My mate thought the Stewards might be the "triage agents" well ahead of the turnstiles.
I'm not so sure.
The turnstiles can be locked down.
Put a checkpoint out in the carpark and the angry mob can force their way through.

 

[Notcher]

I wonder what the Beastie Boys would make of all this?

Well the government took them too literally with "you gotta fight for your right, to party"

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[Raymondo Ponte']

When I have visited the stadium of my local side, that is exactly how it works - there are lines of fans, in front of the (fully electronic) turnstiles and at the head of each line is a couple of guys (or girls, as there are separate queues for ladies) you show your vaccination certificate or negative test result certificate on your phone to one of them, then you get the usual pat-down search from the other (which is quite normal here), and hence the separated lines for female fans.

Once you’re done, you simply walk forward to the turnstile and scan-in your ticket, jobs a good ‚un, in you go.

Typically it takes no more than 20-30 additional seconds to get in. If you’re prepared, it’s even quicker.

Note that if you are unvaccinated and want to try and get in with a negative test, the test must be done and verified by an official test centre (and there are loads of those, including right next to the stadium where you can get an LFT and result in less than 20 minutes). Self-administered LFTs are not accepted.

f*** me sounds like Auschwitz

 

[Otis Redding]

Mmmm