Tobias Figueiredo

[gamble]

I like solid and unspectacular in a defender.

The point for me is that that full on absorb pressure and counter attack style that Sabri played was a disaster for the defenders. Every game they knew the ball was going to spend the vast majority of the time in their half if not on the edge of their area.
The same logic that says that counter attacking creates space and chances for the likes of Grabban also says that the defenders will be under pressure and you add that to the increased number of decisions and interventions they have to make and its no wonder there were "awful errors". Its a statistical inevitability.
I'd have hated being a CB in Lamouchis side let alone Hughton and I would have looked for a move somewhere else where they played a more balanced game, so I wasn't personally blamed for a flawed (IMO) team set up.

Yeah, pretty much what I said.

Figs got dug out unfairly last year as the play style didn't suit him, but for the final run of this season I'm more than happy he's playing. The bigger concern is who replaces McKenna.

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[cheapseats]

Yeah, pretty much what I said.

Figs got dug out unfairly last year as the play style didn't suit him, but for the final run of this season I'm more than happy he's playing. The bigger concern is who replaces McKenna.

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That awful system Lamouchi played and the abomination that Hughton continued limited 90% of our players-look at Yates!-he was shit in that ultra deep role. I'm amazed we didn't loose more players as a result TBH.

I'm really not sure what Coops is going to do now having lost McKenna. I think Figs and Worrall as a 2 is probably the most robust solution but it limits Spence. Something tells me that Coops doesn't trust Soh-might be wrong but if hes all that I don't understand why we haven't seen him under Coops meritocratic and deeply fair approach..

 

[EmmersonForest4]

That awful system Lamouchi played and the abomination that Hughton continued limited 90% of our players-look at Yates!-he was shit in that ultra deep role. I'm amazed we didn't loose more players as a result TBH.

I'm really not sure what Coops is going to do now having lost McKenna. I think Figs and Worrall as a 2 is probably the most robust solution but it limits Spence. Something tells me that Coops doesn't trust Soh-might be wrong but if hes all that I don't understand why we haven't seen him under Coops meritocratic and deeply fair approach..

Under Karanka Figgy was mint as well. However in fairness the best players are able to adapt.

 

[Otis Redding]

The bigger concern is who replaces McKenna

The question around that concern is where does Panzo, natural left-sided cover for McKenna, presently fit in?

Presumably, as a SC recommendation, it can only be a fitness/injury-issue that's delaying his appearance in the current matchday squad?

 

[cheapseats]

The question around that concern is where does Panzo, natural left-sided cover for McKenna, presently fit in?

Presumably, as a SC recommendation, it can only be a fitness/injury-issue that's delaying his appearance in the current matchday squad?

Not necessarily. There are a few "younger" lads who haven't troubled the squads-Odeja for example.

My guess is Coops looks very carefully at them in training and for whatever reason he doesn't think Panzo is ready.

 

[gamble]

The question around that concern is where does Panzo, natural left-sided cover for McKenna, presently fit in?

Presumably, as a SC recommendation, it can only be a fitness/injury-issue that's delaying his appearance in the current matchday squad?

He was probably bought in for the future, however unfortunately the future has arrived too soon for him (I'm guessing). We will just have to see 2 weeks until the next game, hopefully someone is fit to revert back to 3 at the back.

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[Berkshire Red]

Under Karanka Figgy was mint as well. However in fairness the best players are able to adapt.

We're talking about Figs here, not Virgil Van Dijk. If he was able to adapt so easily he'd probably be playing at the top level. Championship defenders make mistakes, some get pulled up for them far more than others. Imagine if Figs had made the challenge Worrall did against the Sheep back in Lockdown 2020? You know, the one which cost us the play offs .

 

[gamble]

We're talking about Figs here, not Virgil Van Dijk. If he was able to adapt so easily he'd probably be playing at the top level. Championship defenders make mistakes, some get pulled up for them far more than others. Imagine if Figs had made the challenge Worrall did against the Sheep back in Lockdown 2020? You know, the one which cost us the play offs .

Tbf Worral got destroyed for that, so bad choice of player. Worral has also been subject to allot of excessive criticism too.

McKenna and Cook however would have got away with it (see cooks challenge v Derby that gave the Penalty away).

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We're talking about Figs here, not Virgil Van Dijk. If he was able to adapt so easily he'd probably be playing at the top level. Championship defenders make mistakes, some get pulled up for them far more than others. Imagine if Figs had made the challenge Worrall did against the Sheep back in Lockdown 2020? You know, the one which cost us the play offs .

Also the best players have systems built around them, players like Figs are expected to fit around the more favoured players, often having to play roles they wouldn't choose. And hence it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy where its easier for everyone to pile on and just call them shit rather than think about the situation they are being asked to play in. To an extent that has been the problem with Yates. Up until the last 4-6 months hes been played in a role within a system that not only didn't fit him but made him look shit. As soon as someone moved us up the pitch 10 yards, and encouraged him to see the pass quickly and move the ball progressively, along with getting up and down the pitch as the situation dictated then he starts to look a player.

 

[adam09]

I don't think criticism of making basic errors and giving silly fouls away is invalid. We did it a lot under Lamouchi, carried it on under Hughton and Figuerido was unfortunately probably the one who did it more than most.

Not sure much of it is down to system myself, it was basic stuff like losing players, diving in, giving unnecessary fouls away (shirt pulling, going into the back of people).

The way the style of play didn't help him is and this goes for all the defenders, they often had little choice but to launch it due a rigid, defensive way of playing with little movement in front.

By and large he was very solid before that bit of a wobble in form and he's been professional and come back in and been very good.

 

[cheapseats]

I don't think criticism of making basic errors and giving silly fouls away is invalid. We did it a lot under Lamouchi, carried it on under Hughton and Figuerido was unfortunately probably the one who did it more than most.

Not sure much of it is down to system myself, it was basic stuff like losing players, diving in, giving unnecessary fouls away (shirt pulling, going into the back of people).

The way the style of play didn't help him is and this goes for all the defenders, they often had little choice but to launch it due a rigid, defensive way of playing with little movement in front.

By and large he was very solid before that bit of a wobble in form and he's been professional and come back in and been very good.

Well the one inescapable fact is that hes out of contract in the summer and I'd think he will have his running shoes on to get away so won't be a "problem" to us any more.

 

[Fawazzock]

Figs been decent, but roll on the new. Hopefully someone a bit less hot headed.

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

Yeah, pretty much what I said.

Figs got dug out unfairly last year as the play style didn't suit him, but for the final run of this season I'm more than happy he's playing. The bigger concern is who replaces McKenna.

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A lot of the things he got hammered for were just rank bad defending.
Lamouchi's deep defensive playing style put a lot of pressure on the centre backs so I can imagine if his confidence dropped it could snowball quickly. And we weren't in a good place at the start of last season and that's when he looked especially bad. I've always thought he's much better defending against smaller more technical players. He has a tendency to be monstered by the likes of Dr Who and Kiefer Less, which happens to more than just him, but he also loses his head when he loses the physical battle.

I like his attitude, he never gives less than his all, but he isn’t the best. Hopefully good enough as a stop gap right now but I think Soh and Panzo have a much higher ceiling.

 

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A lot of the things he got hammered for were just rank bad defending.
Lamouchi's deep defensive playing style put a lot of pressure on the centre backs so I can imagine if his confidence dropped it could snowball quickly. And we weren't in a good place at the start of last season and that's when he looked especially bad. I've always thought he's much better defending against smaller more technical players. He has a tendency to be monstered by the likes of Dr Who and Kiefer Less, which happens to more than just him, but he also loses his head when he loses the physical battle.

I like his attitude, he never gives less than his all, but he isn’t the best. Hopefully good enough as a stop gap right now but I think Soh and Panzo have a much higher ceiling.

I don't know about Panzo because hes so new here its not really fair to be commenting on him but Soh is like lord bloody Lucan. Hes been here for ages now and contributed so little. Yes I know there have been injuries but if hes so good, with so much potential and ceiling he should be kicking the door down at Championship level.
I worry theres something wrong with him, seriously because quality eventually will out and Soh is nowhere to be seen....

 

[Rzar]

Talk about overanalyzing mate

Mbe Soh is a young player who keeps getting disrupted with injuries.

He has never let anybody down when he has been on the pitch. I don't think anybody is saying he is the next Maldini but he is a promising young player, I don't think there are huge questions about his ability.

 

[Timothy Pope]

Talk about overanalyzing mate

Mbe Soh is a young player who keeps getting disrupted with injuries.

He has never let anybody down when he has been on the pitch. I don't think anybody is saying he is the next Maldini but he is a promising young player, I don't think there are huge questions about his ability.

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[incident]

Talk about overanalyzing mate

Mbe Soh is a young player who keeps getting disrupted with injuries.

He has never let anybody down when he has been on the pitch. I don't think anybody is saying he is the next Maldini but he is a promising young player, I don't think there are huge questions about his ability.

As a comparable - Ateef Konate is a couple months older, and was signed about the same time - but nobody is questioning why he's not in the first team yet.

 

[Statto]

As a comparable - Ateef Konate is a couple months older, and was signed about the same time - but nobody is questioning why he's not in the first team yet.

As another comparable, he is the same age as Garner (well, a couple of months younger) who is one of our best first team players.

I agree at that age though it's difficult to say a player should be in the team, especially in defence where they need to be quite composed and experienced heads often help. Not every CB is the exception like Worrall and Dawson...

 

[Captain Sinister]

As a comparable - Ateef Konate is a couple months older, and was signed about the same time - but nobody is questioning why he's not in the first team yet.

I've seen Konate "live" in both the U23's and the first team.
He shows a lot of promise, but the U23's is his level at the moment.
Has he done a loan out to a L1 outfit yet?
He isn't ready for regular Championship outings for Forest just yet on what I have seen from him.
By contrast, Mbe Soh has looked like he could and should get Championship game time, as he has real presence.
However, he has suffered a worrying number of injuries.
He might be one of those players whose physique looks solid, but in reality he is still transitioning into a fuly grown man, and that is causing him some injury issues.
I think that when he has completed his physical growth, and hardened off a bit, he will be a monumental player for Forest.

 

[Statto]

I've seen Konate "live" in both the U23's and the first team.
He shows a lot of promise, but the U23's is his level at the moment.
Has he done a loan out to a L1 outfit yet?
He isn't ready for regular Championship outings for Forest just yet on what I have seen from him.
By contrast, Mbe Soh has looked like he could and should get Championship game time, as he has real presence.
However, he has suffered a worrying number of injuries.
He might be one of those players whose physique looks solid, but in reality he is still transitioning into a fuly grown man, and that is causing him some injury issues.
I think that when he has completed his physical growth, and hardened off a bit, he will be a monumental player for Forest.

I think that could be true. Don't forget SC worked with young players all the time at Liverpool, England and had plenty at Swansea. Mbe Soh has been here almost 2 years now so the club medical staff have had plenty of time to assess where he is physically.

He's definite 5th choice at least behind Cook, Worrall, McKenna and Toby, we have played Yates there, we have Panzo and Larya who are also defenders, so he isn't going to be rushed into lots of action unless we get more injuries, which will suit the player too.

 

[cheapseats]

Talk about overanalyzing mate

Mbe Soh is a young player who keeps getting disrupted with injuries.

He has never let anybody down when he has been on the pitch. I don't think anybody is saying he is the next Maldini but he is a promising young player, I don't think there are huge questions about his ability.

Or m maybe I'm not analysing enough-which is because hes nowhere to be seen.

I hope its just injuries that's holding him back and that hes "growing into a mans body" (or similar!) as has been said. My fear is it might be attitude as much as injury. I have no evidence on which to say that by the way other than from what I've seen Coops is a total meritocrat and the fact hes not made squads let alone the team worries me.

 

[congo_red_49]

Or m maybe I'm not analysing enough-which is because hes nowhere to be seen.

Maybe So. Mbe Soh.

I have no evidence on which to say that by the way other than from what I've seen Coops is a total meritocrat and the fact hes not made squads let alone the team worries me.

He was an unused sub against the Scouse though, Cheapo, and probably selected ahead of Panzo for that role.

 

[cheapseats]

I think that could be true. Don't forget SC worked with young players all the time at Liverpool, England and had plenty at Swansea. Mbe Soh has been here almost 2 years now so the club medical staff have had plenty of time to assess where he is physically.

He's definite 5th choice at least behind Cook, Worrall, McKenna and Toby, we have played Yates there, we have Panzo and Larya who are also defenders, so he isn't going to be rushed into lots of action unless we get more injuries, which will suit the player too.

It probably reflects my impatient nature but I would expect someone like Soh to be deeply unhappy about being 5th choice at a Championship club like ours, after plaudits at PSG. I can't remember how long he has left on his contract but if I were him I would have looked at the move from PSG to Forest in these terms-ideally if I performed super-well I'd want the next step to be a premier league club. Par would be getting into the team at Forest and getting another contract here. But to be 5th choice with all that potential, particularly with Panzo coming in and others being looked at suggests under performance which could mean ending up at a club lower down the chain.
I wouldn't be very happy with that and would be kicking the managers door down wanting to know what I needed to do to get in the first 11.

 

[Rzar]

Can you tell it's the international break

 

[Captain Sinister]

It probably reflects my impatient nature but I would expect someone like Soh to be deeply unhappy about being 5th choice at a Championship club like ours, after plaudits at PSG. I can't remember how long he has left on his contract but if I were him I would have looked at the move from PSG to Forest in these terms-ideally if I performed super-well I'd want the next step to be a premier league club. Par would be getting into the team at Forest and getting another contract here. But to be 5th choice with all that potential, particularly with Panzo coming in and others being looked at suggests under performance which could mean ending up at a club lower down the chain.
I wouldn't be very happy with that and would be kicking the managers door down wanting to know what I needed to do to get in the first 11.

Mbe Soh had better be careful kicking the door... he doesn't want another unjury, does he?