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tropix

tropix

Steve Chettle
Alf-Hasawi said:
Because mate, as all that points to, we can't attract a top calibre of manager.

Whoever comes here will be flawed because clubs in our position don't attract ones who aren't.

The difference between us and other clubs is that we concentrate on the 15% a manager is getting wrong rather than the 85% they're getting right.

Pearce's situation is a bang on example, as is SODs. Both have done loads for the club, yet a bit of poor form now, and a bit of intermittent form & "boring" interviews with SOD, and again it's "not good enough"
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Other clubs in our position seem to get it right though. Why can't we? Look at Dyche at Burnley, Howe at Bournemouth etc. - why can't we find the guy where it all just 'clicks'. Some may say that it needs time, but most of the time it either clicks or it doesn't right off the bat. It's just bizarre that we haven't got it right in so long
 
Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
tropix said:
Other clubs in our position seem to get it right though. Why can't we? Look at Dyche at Burnley, Howe at Bournemouth etc. - why can't we find the guy where it all just 'clicks'. Some may say that it needs time, but most of the time it either clicks or it doesn't right off the bat. It's just bizarre that we haven't got it right in so long
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Because they haven't spent years sacking managers, and in the process narrowing their opinions to nada, and applying massive pressure from the off.



Their situation has evolved organically, not forcefully. Their managers don't have to rush things, and can make decisions based on what's best for the club, not"what works NOW"
 
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Redemption

Redemption

One less gobshite...
tropix said:
Other clubs in our position seem to get it right though. Why can't we? Look at Dyche at Burnley, Howe at Bournemouth etc. - why can't we find the guy where it all just 'clicks'. Some may say that it needs time, but most of the time it either clicks or it doesn't right off the bat. It's just bizarre that we haven't got it right in so long
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Its easy to say they made the right choice in hindsight.
 
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Francis Benali (on loan)

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Sean Dyche finished 11th in his first season at Burnley. We might describe that here as 'bang average' at best. There would have been 'Dyche Out' threads on this forum.
 
tropix

tropix

Steve Chettle
Alf-Hasawi said:
Because they haven't spent years sacking managers, and in the process narrowing their opinions to nada, and applying massive pressure from the off.



Their situation has evolved organically, not forcefully. Their managers don't have to rush things, and can make decisions based on what's best for the club, not"what works NOW"
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Yeah, Fawaz has painted himself into a corner now. He'll end up giving himself the job and it'll all end in tears
 
Ravi

Ravi

Upper Decker
Francis Benali (on loan) said:
Sean Dyche finished 11th in his first season at Burnley. We might describe that here as 'bang average' at best. There would have been 'Dyche Out' threads on this forum.
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Sean Dyche didn't add £9m worth of players to a squad which finished 11th the previous season, so 'bang average' would have been fair.
 
Finding Remo

Finding Remo

The artist formerly known as Forest_1865
tropix said:
Let's face it - Fawaz hasn't made a decent managerial appointment yet, in three years. O'Driscoll may have been ok in the long run, but his comprehensive failure at Bristol City says otherwise. Everyone else has been flawed.

Why can't we just find that perfect fit. Good on the field, good off it
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I think his own decisions over those 3 years may have scared any "perfect fit" manager away now.

SOD was a good appointment but sacking him in the way he did and at the time he did probably got the alarm bells ringing for a lot of potential managers as it showed a total lack of loyalty and unrealistic expectations.

McLeish was decent enough on paper but Fawaz realised he'd made a mistake hiring him and he was gone shortly afterwards (with rumours of boardroom interference over team selection). At this point, we start to look like a circus and that sets off more alarm bells.

Billy was a good appointment but wasn't 1st choice (I think McCarthy turned us down first) and really only came back so he could exact his revenge on those who wronged him first time. Regardless of that though, he did the job needed after McLeish and probably would have got us in the play offs again if it weren't for injuries. Next he was gone, with rumours rife of different things going on behind the scenes and Fawaz buying players. Alarm bells.

Suddenly, we start seeing the problems of the previous managers being sacked/forced out as now even washed up has-beens like Warnock won't touch the job. Your Zolas and Clarks say they're waiting for PL jobs (which never came). And the end result is we end up with our 4th choice in Pearce who is able to dictate when he'll start. Now he's at risk after 5 months.

You can imagine the absolute dregs we'd get now if Pearce is sacked, especially given all that's gone on before him.
 
tropix

tropix

Steve Chettle
Forest_1865 said:
I think his own decisions over those 3 years may have scared any "perfect fit" manager away now.

SOD was a good appointment but sacking him in the way he did and at the time he did probably got the alarm bells ringing for a lot of potential managers as it showed a total lack of loyalty and unrealistic expectations.

McLeish was decent enough on paper but Fawaz realised he'd made a mistake hiring him and he was gone shortly afterwards (with rumours of boardroom interference over team selection). At this point, we start to look like a circus and that sets off more alarm bells.

Billy was a good appointment but wasn't 1st choice (I think McCarthy turned us down first) and really only came back so he could exact his revenge on those who wronged him first time. Regardless of that though, he did the job needed after McLeish and probably would have got us in the play offs again if it weren't for injuries. Next he was gone, with rumours rife of different things going on behind the scenes and Fawaz buying players. Alarm bells.

Suddenly, we start seeing the problems of the previous managers being sacked/forced out as now even washed up has-beens like Warnock won't touch the job. Your Zolas and Clarks say they're waiting for PL jobs (which never came). And the end result is we end up with our 4th choice in Pearce who is able to dictate when he'll start. Now he's at risk after 5 months.

You can imagine the absolute dregs we'd get now if Pearce is sacked, especially given all that's gone on before him.
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When you read through it in a linear fashion like that, it really is such a colossal mess. Fawaz has had our best interests at heart but he's just gotten it wrong. We need a time machine.
 
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SLM92NF

Jack Burkitt
Forest_1865 said:
I think his own decisions over those 3 years may have scared any "perfect fit" manager away now.

SOD was a good appointment but sacking him in the way he did and at the time he did probably got the alarm bells ringing for a lot of potential managers as it showed a total lack of loyalty and unrealistic expectations.

McLeish was decent enough on paper but Fawaz realised he'd made a mistake hiring him and he was gone shortly afterwards (with rumours of boardroom interference over team selection). At this point, we start to look like a circus and that sets off more alarm bells.

Billy was a good appointment but wasn't 1st choice (I think McCarthy turned us down first) and really only came back so he could exact his revenge on those who wronged him first time. Regardless of that though, he did the job needed after McLeish and probably would have got us in the play offs again if it weren't for injuries. Next he was gone, with rumours rife of different things going on behind the scenes and Fawaz buying players. Alarm bells.

Suddenly, we start seeing the problems of the previous managers being sacked/forced out as now even washed up has-beens like Warnock won't touch the job. Your Zolas and Clarks say they're waiting for PL jobs (which never came). And the end result is we end up with our 4th choice in Pearce who is able to dictate when he'll start. Now he's at risk after 5 months.

You can imagine the absolute dregs we'd get now if Pearce is sacked, especially given all that's gone on before him.
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This isn't something unique to NFFC though.

As bad as it is you're job being up in the air after 5 months is not uncommon, far from it. Mark Robins was sacked after 90 minutes of league football this season. A thoroughly decent manager in Powell has took that job.

Birmingham City's owner is in prison, the finances are completely up in the air and the club for a number of years has been in turmoil. They've managed (albeit from league 2) to prise away a very promising manager.

Crystal Palace have had their initial manager resign the day before the season's started. Appointed a new one and sacked him a few months later and have just prised a manager out of a job at a bigger club that was sitting on a contract till 2020!

It's the nature of the industry. You know you could very easily be gone within 6 months but you have the protection of the compensation deals. Opportunities are more often than not too good to turn down. You've just got to take them.

It's still a decent job. It's a great squad and a great opportunity at a good club for this level. You've got every chance if you're worthy of making a success of it. If you do then you're a miracle worker, if not then it's just the way the clubs run. What's not to like about that kind of opportunity?
 
Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Even when we employed SOD our situation wasn't the most attractive. It's got progressively less so, and for some reason appointments which are as good as can be expected such as SOD and Pearce suddenly go from "understandable make -do's" to "must get promotion". I'd have took mid table under both managers.







No f***er was coming here to take over from Brazil. Pearce digs us out the shit, and now 13th ain't good enough? Wtf?







Pearce has already done this club a massive service by changing our direction, if only temporarily.
 
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