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The World Famous City Ground - Home of the PROPER WORLD‘S OLDEST LEAGUE CLUB

Future of the WFCG? What‘s your preference?


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Viv Anderson
Spurs' new ground is more unique than WHL which felt like your typical 90s redevelopment like ours or Molineux.

Not to say WHL wasn't good, I enjoyed going there, but it wasn't unique.
I'll happily say WHL wasn't good.

Or more specifically, I'll say that in my experience it had by far the worst/least atmosphere of any "traditional" ground following the various 90s redevelopments. Which is amusing given that's an accusation that Spurs fans always tried to chuck at Highbury (which did have a different feel to most grounds, but at least it actually had one unlike the void of WHL).
 

Erik

oopsy daisy!
LTLF Minion
I don't believe it is "making do". I think the opposite is true. A redeveloped city ground is the eutopia not some shite soulless bowl in the middle of nowhere. I'm sorry but you can shove your multiple exec boxes, prawn sandwiches and heated seats up your arse.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to take you to task for this Notcher.

There is something in there that is absolutely not acceptable.

Firstly. The 'I'm sorry' bit. You shouldn't be.

Secondly. You forgot to add 'sideways' to 'but you can shove your multiple exec boxes, prawn sandwiches and heated seats up your arse.'

Apart from those two issues, reads well.
 

RianBrice

Viv Anderson
I think WHL was unique in that it was a 90s ground with the corners filled in and because of that, I always used to want the WFCG and the owners to aspire to those standards. Hey ho, 35 years on and fukk all has happened.
 

Notcher

Stuart Pearce
I'm afraid I'm going to have to take you to task for this Notcher.

There is something in there that is absolutely not acceptable.

Firstly. The 'I'm sorry' bit. You shouldn't be.

Secondly. You forgot to add 'sideways' to 'but you can shove your multiple exec boxes, prawn sandwiches and heated seats up your arse.'

Apart from those two issues, reads well.
My bad Eric, consider my arse well and truly tanned
 

Barry

Where's me hammer?
Lots I agree with in the above. I do get why the WFCG is so special to so many people. If it can be brought up in size and standard that's good, but it is not without difficulties

Since when did we as a club ever do things the easy way?

Think back to Cloughs words “I hope nobody is stupid enough to write us off”

You know why he said that? Because he knew we were about to go and do the impossible to achieve greatness…. When did we stop thinking that?

New ground idea is stupid and against the majority, somewhere there needs to be a compromise that compromise however is not a new ground, not now, not ever.


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Lady Penelope

First Team Squad
That's great, have you got a location on the Trent, close to the City Centre in mind?
Yes, but I don't think the owner can afford it. Worryingly, if an alternative site does become necessary, the cheaper options will be miles out and favoured by no-one and that is a serious point. I still believe that an agreement will be found regarding a new lease with the city, that's not on the basis of information received, but it is the general belief in the sector that a compromise deal will eventually be completed.
 

Lady Penelope

First Team Squad
Success bring success.

Seem to recollect that when Marinakis bought the club he was taken by the reported size of the latent supporter base. They spoke about the size of the brand and we are something like the 12th biggest. Despite having been out of the PL for years.
All due to folk now in their fifties m deciding to support Forest as 8 year olds, when we were doing well.
I know a few such people, they often have a tale to tell about writing to the club and the club writing back, seeing Cloughie on telly being witty, visiting a distant relative who took them to a game. All have one thing in common - they wanted a club to support , they didn't like their local club (or they wanted to be different) and Forest were doing well. And we were charismatic because of Cloughie and the style of football he championed.

For years we had a Scandi fan base who would come over to watch the odd game , as only English games were shown on Norway TV.

Doing well in the PL would bring those fan recruitment opportunities back. But you would need to market to them - the social media equivalent of the club secretary writing back.

Even now I have a 7 year old relative going to school in a Derby suburb. He's mad on Forest even though his Mother's family are Derby season ticket holders. I was concerned that it would be difficult for the lad in the playground. But transpires there's already three or four other kids into Forest . It's the magentism of the PL

. Behave like a top 10 team and sustainably become a top team
Yep to all of that. If we think like a mid-table survival team that's what we will be, and the owner does not want that.
I met the Norwegians in a pub in Sheffield after a game at Wednesday. Enthusiasts in the extreme!
 

Lady Penelope

First Team Squad
I think WHL was unique in that it was a 90s ground with the corners filled in and because of that, I always used to want the WFCG and the owners to aspire to those standards. Hey ho, 35 years on and fukk all has happened.
It was the shelf that stood out for me. WHL changed very little over the years, and it certainly did not have the shiny, corporate feel of the new place, just the opposite in fact.
 

Redemption

Chief Eye Roller

sammy the snake

Jack Armstrong
Since when did we as a club ever do things the easy way?

Think back to Cloughs words “I hope nobody is stupid enough to write us off”

You know why he said that? Because he knew we were about to go and do the impossible to achieve greatness…. When did we stop thinking that?

New ground idea is stupid and against the majority, somewhere there needs to be a compromise that compromise however is not a new ground, not now, not ever.


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Yeh I’ve came to the same conclusions. There’s no funding for a 500million project that in any case won’t deliver the same as WFCG. I’ve listened to all the pros and cons… moving location doesn’t add up after all does it. For me the location is absolutely at the heart of the club, the only possibility would be embankment.. but just how ?

Get some cracking facilities around and within the new stand and it’ll be fantastic. Imagine 40k singing Forest are magic on and off the pitch, there’s no question it’ll be up there as one the best football stadiums. Maybe we should look at ibrox for some idea how it could be.
 

valspoodle

Steve Chettle
I'll happily say WHL wasn't good.

Or more specifically, I'll say that in my experience it had by far the worst/least atmosphere of any "traditional" ground following the various 90s redevelopments. Which is amusing given that's an accusation that Spurs fans always tried to chuck at Highbury (which did have a different feel to most grounds, but at least it actually had one unlike the void of WHL).
I remember going to White Hart Lane to see a Forest game with my mate Ted, a Spuds fan, was a friend of Irvinng Scholar's other half who worked, like both of us at the time, for BA as a stewardess. She got us an invite to the boardroom after the game. We met Irving who was very keen to show us a model of those ground redevelopments, plus a chat with Terry Venables, who, upon learning I was a Forest fan, ignored me for the rest of Ted's talk with him.

If I'd known then what I know now, I would have spiked Irving's prawn sandwich.
 

valspoodle

Steve Chettle
It was the shelf that stood out for me. WHL changed very little over the years, and it certainly did not have the shiny, corporate feel of the new place, just the opposite in fact.
I remember rushing to a Forest game very late and just went into a part of the ground unfamiliar to me, which was the shelf. You're right, scruffy spot. Got chatting to a group of skinhead Spurs fans and realised it would be unwise to let them know I was a Forest fan. It was difficult because we did pretty well that day.

As usual I can't remember the game.
 

Redemption

Chief Eye Roller
They said "Brand" . I think they defined it as numbers of supporters globally . No idea how they measured it.
Seems so unlikely.

England's Top 6 plus Real Madrid, Barcelona, Inter, Juventus, Bayern Munich, PSG is already 12 global brands.

There's no way that Forest are even close to them. And the rest that we'd expect to be around.
 

Mr. Blonde

Jack Burkitt
Never in a month of Sundays do Forest have the top 12 most supporters globally

I'd be astonished if we were even in the top 20
 

Redemption

Chief Eye Roller
Never in a month of Sundays do Forest have the top 12 most supporters globally

I'd be astonished if we were even in the top 20
Tbh, I'd be surprised if we were top 12 in England for Global reach.

Id expect B6 + Villa, Newcastle, Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Leicester all to be bigger.

Forest rank 15th in the EPL foe social media reach, that's probably indicative of something.
 

Quntib Hollox

Jack Armstrong
Seems so unlikely.

England's Top 6 plus Real Madrid, Barcelona, Inter, Juventus, Bayern Munich, PSG is already 12 global brands.

There's no way that Forest are even close to them. And the rest that we'd expect to be around.
He meant in this country I think.
 

Otis Redding

Try A Little Tenderness
Since when did we as a club ever do things the easy way?

Think back to Cloughs words “I hope nobody is stupid enough to write us off”

You know why he said that? Because he knew we were about to go and do the impossible to achieve greatness…. When did we stop thinking that?

New ground idea is stupid and against the majority, somewhere there needs to be a compromise that compromise however is not a new ground, not now, not ever.
Well said. Our ambition as a club probably began to fade when Nigel Doughty decided to break-up Paul Hart's young, promotion-chasing side rather than try and add a bit of quality to it and push-on the next season. That was backed-up later by his decision that the PL wasn't for us.
 

stockers

Jack Armstrong
I’m going to the spurs game today, ticket in the corporate section I really don’t want to go but a friend thinks they’re doing me a favour. I went last year aswell, it’s not that I’m sitting with spurs fans (although that’s not ideal) it’s the fact that it feels like I’m in an airport lounge or a hotel lobby. I actually feel pretty disgusted in myself, don’t get me on the amount of food and alcohol that’s wasted in these areas it’s absolutely vulgar.. Not that we’d get this if we moved, we’d be left with no identity and something like Brighton or Reading (the worst grounds I’ve been to) and a shocking atmosphere..
 

Otis Redding

Try A Little Tenderness
Did that actually happen? Explains a lot if so.
Nigel never said it publicly of course, but his decisions were often inconsistent with that ambition from Paul Hart to the Davies era, when not a massive increase to the playing budget would probably have made a difference after each of those three Championship play-off failures. The cat was really out of the bag however when Nigel railed against highly paid footballers following the appointment of McClaren and the failure to back him with solid signings, leaving McClaren to bring-in ageing, past-it players like Boateng and Greening and other poor quality fill-ins rather than his preferred choices such as the then free-scoring Ross McCormack (who Mark Arthur allowed to be hijacked by Cardiff, and for whom he then went on to score a shedload of goals) and the quick, creative winger, Wayne Routledge (another who Arthur allowed to slip away after getting him to the CG to discuss personal terms). The less said about relegation to League One under Nigel, and the three seasons spent there is probably for the best.

Having said all of that, Nigel deserves huge, huge praise and gratitude for rescuing the club out the clutches of the Bridgeford (sic) Consortium and of course, his vision for, and development of the academy.
 
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redodare

First Team Squad
Further thoughts on the Spurs ground and business model.

I asked a long term Spurs season ticket holder - who also happens to be a seasoned businessman - about the Maguire £90+ revenue per seat model, ( calculated by looking at last published accounts) . He said they have already moved on from that and would now be more like £150. I asked him to justify that. Even with average season tickets being around £1000 that's a load of katsu curry and neck oil sold.

He said it's all about the hospitality offer and the extra facilities - the F1 go-kart track for example. Apparently, among the hospitality offers are a michelin star style restuarant with an open pit kitchen with chefs cooking the food you can see from your table while you can see players going to and from dressing rooms through the glass windows.

But the real kicker (for me) is they market 5000 tickets on sale each game for £500. Who buys them? He said pretty much anyone who wants them. You only have to declare yourself a Spurs fan with few checks. These sell out easily for Arsenal an Citeh but can struggle for games like ours. That's why they had the love-in for Son before the game - complete with Korean music and special graphics. They marketed them hard to the Korean market who snapped them up .

That's 5000 tickets at £500. £2,5000 of extra match income per game. Significantly more than our total match income.


So what about the traditional fans being left behind? We see the protests about plans to phase out OAP discounts. Do they resent these "tourists" turning up?

He said - and of course it's one opinion - that most Spurs fans want to be top 4. They hate Arsenal being better than them. And understand that this kind of business is necessary to get the funds to compete - with an expectation that they will also play attractive football.... thus the embracing of Big Ange.

What's it done to the atmosphere? Yesterday, It was all a bit flat for most of the first half - prompting our library chants. Rallied a bit when they started playing zippy quicker football. Imagine it's a bit different when they play Arsenal.

So where does this leave us? First Spurs didn't build this model and stadium over night. Must have been a fifteen year plan? Maybe more. So whatever our plan , we need to be patient and look at the long term future and where we eventually want to be

It's about where we see ourselves competing. Do we want to be in Europe again? Or are we content with being better than Derby?

A big challenge is the market isn't staying still. The gap between the top 6 and the rest is getting bigger. We can see there's big competition to be in places 7-10. Chelsea know they need to redevelop Stamford Bridge to compete. Only seems like yesterday when their hotel and nightclub seemed state of the art. Even Spurs NeckOil now seems like yesterdays pint.

Planning to stay still is a plan to go backwards. Never has this seen more apt.
 
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