The World Famous City Ground - Home of the PROPER WORLD‘S OLDEST LEAGUE CLUB

[LiarsBar]

Why do people keep using Tottenham's ground as an example? Dream on ffs. I'll give you another example more closely aligned. Pride Park. So that puts the entire idea to bed.

Did any of you making these ridiculous comparisons go on Tuesday? You think one of those fish bowls can replicate THAT? Again, dream on. Some of you might be getting all selfish because you get wet wee stains because of the horror of visiting a busy toilet and would like more space but there's some of us who aren't ashamed! Banning alcohol from the ground? Possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard proposed and that includes Jeremy Corbyn's idea of free internet.

Now, lets all be sensible and stop talking absolute bollocks.

Any news on the redevelopment yet?

Nailed it Sir, well done.

 

[REDDERS78]

New mid-sized stadiums in other countries can be rather nice (see Bordeaux, Mainz), but they're generally a steaming pile of sh*t over here. Leicester, Southampton, D*rby, Rotherham. Whenever the architects try to do something different (Brighton and Brentford spring to mind), it's usually an eyesore.

The whole saga is enough to make you yearn for the golden age of the brown paper envelope. Construction would already be underway.

Still, I honestly believe that the threat to build elsewhere is posturing and nothing more.

I sincerley hope so dude.

 

[redun]

I think I mentioned earlier that a main contractor has been appointed for the installation of the new hospitality suites so expect that at least to be carried out in the not too distant future.

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[McKenzie]

Re the Spurs ground, I have a colleague who has supported them all his like. He does not like the new place, not at all, despite the facilities. He argues that the 'old' WHL had history, character (it was a unique stadium) and like a classic car, it had a 'smell' to it.

I asked if he would prefer to go back to the old stadium (not possible of course) and he surprised me by saying 'no', despite all that he had said about it. I asked why? He said the new place is designed to generate income, it is working, and that is necessary. The new fans, the younger fans, do not remember the look and feel of the old WHL so it's not a problem for them.
Food for thought.

Incredible that this work colleagues' opinion matches the exact narrative that you have been relentlessly pushing on here for the past few months!

 

[Red Echo]

I had another look at the original announcement video earlier, and I was reminded how spectacular the new design really is. Just look at it - walking across the bridge, sun shining. Get it done Forest, whatever it takes.

 

[Ashley]

Incredible that this work colleagues' opinion matches the exact narrative that you have been relentlessly pushing on here for the past few months!

Not for the first time either. Very convenient, isn't it?

 

[Ashley]

I had another look at the original announcement video earlier, and I was reminded how spectacular the new design really is. Just look at it - walking across the bridge, sun shining. Get it done Forest, whatever it takes.

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Just beautiful, it blows my mind that some people want to throw it all away for the sake of a few more seats.

If we do ever leave the City Ground, it won't just be a sad day for Forest but English football as a whole. Football is littered with soulless out of town stadiums, but there is only one City Ground.

 

[Quntib Hollox]

Just beautiful, it blows my mind that some people want to throw it all away for the sake of a few more seats.

If we do ever leave the City Ground, it won't just be a sad day for Forest but English football as a whole. Football is littered with soulless out of town stadiums, but there is only one City Ground.

No one wants to throw it away but we were closer to it happening 5 years ago and I see little hope of it ever happening. Put it this way I’m 54 this year and in reasonable health (touch wood) , I’ll put it 50/50 at best that I’m still around to see a City Ground anywhere near 40k capacity.

 

[Lady Penelope]

Incredible that this work colleagues' opinion matches the exact narrative that you have been relentlessly pushing on here for the past few months!

My colleague has made a valid point. It is food for thought if you are an owner of a football club.
Whatever our differences, I am prepared to look at all options and the owners of NFFC will do exactly that, they are successful business people. I also let the facts form my opinions, as does my colleague.

 

[Lady Penelope]

Not for the first time either. Very convenient, isn't it?

Obviously a lot of people think the same way, including a number of Forest fans (a minority for sure) but not everyone agrees with the 'stay and be damned' line of thought. if we could develop a modern stadium there, I'd be 100% for it. I reckon there are too many obstacles to getting there though but, you know what, in the absence of any alternative site, we'll have to make do.

 

[Lady Penelope]

No one wants to throw it away but we were closer to it happening 5 years ago and I see little hope of it ever happening. Put it this way I’m 54 this year and in reasonable health (touch wood) , I’ll put it 50/50 at best that I’m still around to see a City Ground anywhere near 40k capacity.

The container corners development is still showing as pending on Rushcliffe planning. I noticed that preparatory work is still going on at the WFCG (underneath the BC at the TE for example) so it seems that it's a work in progress.

 

[Quntib Hollox]

The container corners development is still showing as pending on Rushcliffe planning. I noticed that preparatory work is still going on at the WFCG (underneath the BC at the TE for example) so it seems that it's a work in progress.

Any improvement is progress

 

[redun]

I would think that they haven't bothered to update it. You don't appoint a contractor if you haven't obtained planning consent.

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[redodare]

Just beautiful, it blows my mind that some people want to throw it all away for the sake of a few more seats.

If we do ever leave the City Ground, it won't just be a sad day for Forest but English football as a whole. Football is littered with soulless out of town stadiums, but there is only one City Ground.

It's not just about the number of seats. It's about the revenue per seat.
Maguire calculated that Spurs generate £90+ per seat on average including VAT.

Ability to compete and ultimatley sustain a top 10 club will need larger capacity, better facilities and better marketing to sell the tickets to people who can pay on average £100 a game.

Club has spoken about the size of the catchment area . Wanting to be the King of the East Midlands and beyond.

Won't be popular with many existing fans. But the business side of the game is changing. Alternative will be to settle for life at the top of the championship , bottom of the premier.

I'd hope it could be achieved with a Spurs type transformation on the current site - perhaps we pay to refurb Meadow Lane and move there for a couple of years while we sort it out. Ambitious - but not beyond a visionary plan backed by a well funded ambitous owner

 

[Cloughie1975]

It's not just about the number of seats. It's about the revenue per seat.
Maguire calculated that Spurs generate £90+ per seat on average including VAT.

Ability to compete and ultimatley sustain a top 10 club will need larger capacity, better facilities and better marketing to sell the tickets to people who can pay on average £100 a game.

Club has spoken about the size of the catchment area . Wanting to be the King of the East Midlands and beyond.

Won't be popular with many existing fans. But the business side of the game is changing. Alternative will be to settle for life at the top of the championship , bottom of the premier.

I'd hope it could be achieved with a Spurs type transformation on the current site - perhaps we pay to refurb Meadow Lane and move there for a couple of years while we sort it out. Ambitious - but not beyond a visionary plan backed by a well funded ambitous owner

There’s no chance the people of the East Midlands will pay £100 per ticket-even if we happen
to be ‘kings’ of it.

 

[Ashley]

No one wants to throw it away but we were closer to it happening 5 years ago and I see little hope of it ever happening. Put it this way I’m 54 this year and in reasonable health (touch wood) , I’ll put it 50/50 at best that I’m still around to see a City Ground anywhere near 40k capacity.

There are some in this thread that are more than happy to throw it away.

Obviously a lot of people think the same way, including a number of Forest fans (a minority for sure) but not everyone agrees with the 'stay and be damned' line of thought. if we could develop a modern stadium there, I'd be 100% for it. I reckon there are too many obstacles to getting there though but, you know what, in the absence of any alternative site, we'll have to make do.

Not in my experience (online or offline). Pretty much every Forest fan I speak to wants to stay at the City Ground and aren't keen on moving at all.

It's not just about the number of seats. It's about the revenue per seat.
Maguire calculated that Spurs generate £90+ per seat on average including VAT.

Ability to compete and ultimatley sustain a top 10 club will need larger capacity, better facilities and better marketing to sell the tickets to people who can pay on average £100 a game.

Club has spoken about the size of the catchment area . Wanting to be the King of the East Midlands and beyond.

Won't be popular with many existing fans. But the business side of the game is changing. Alternative will be to settle for life at the top of the championship , bottom of the premier.

I'd hope it could be achieved with a Spurs type transformation on the current site - perhaps we pay to refurb Meadow Lane and move there for a couple of years while we sort it out. Ambitious - but not beyond a visionary plan backed by a well funded ambitous owner

I don't get the continued comparison with Spurs. They are a Sky Sports Six team based in London who spent a small country's GDP on their new ground.

New ground or not, Forest aren't going to generate that sort of revenue. We are a provincial club who are not amongst football's elite. Any additional revenue from a new ground would be a drop in the ocean compared to the TV revenue every Premier League club receives, I don't think being able to afford an additional Count Vlachula or Jonjo Shelvey every season is going to be a game changer.

 

[Ashley]

There’s no chance the people of the East Midlands will pay £100 per ticket-even if we happen
to be ‘kings’ of it.

I don't think any people outside the East Midlands give a toss who is king of the East Midlands, and even within the East Midlands those who live in areas that typically support the likes of Derby or Leicester will continue to support those clubs (or a Sky Sports Six club).

Our potential audience is still going to be 99% from Nottinghamshire, regardless of ground capacity and what happens on the pitch. Those advocating for us to move away from the City Ground because 40k isn't enough are vastly overestimating the pull that we as a non-Sky Sports Six club outside of London has.

 

[Rubics]

Peter Taylor, bridgford and then if we’re filling that review the Clough stand has to be the plan. 40-45 on the current site has to be everybody’s aim who has an interest - that includes the council getting their fingers out of their hole and doing what’s right for the majority of Notts. I don’t buy all the acesss crap, it can be resolved.

talking of spurs, know somebody in sutton who has a season ticket. For a fairly standard seat it’s £1800, his wife thinks it’s £800 and gives him shit over that price. Notts folk aren’t paying those prices.

 

[Ashley]

Peter Taylor, bridgford and then if we’re filling that review the Clough stand has to be the plan. 40-45 on the current site has to be everybody’s aim who has an interest - that includes the council getting their fingers out of their hole and doing what’s right for the majority of Notts. I don’t buy all the acesss crap, it can be resolved.

talking of spurs, know somebody in sutton who has a season ticket. For a fairly standard seat it’s £1800, his wife thinks it’s £800 and gives him shit over that price. Notts folk aren’t paying those prices.

Well said.

It's not that it can't be done, it's down to all parties being willing to get it done. I hope the issue gets resolved because the alternative doesn't bare thinking about...

 

[Notcher]

Obviously a lot of people think the same way, including a number of Forest fans (a minority for sure) but not everyone agrees with the 'stay and be damned' line of thought. if we could develop a modern stadium there, I'd be 100% for it. I reckon there are too many obstacles to getting there though but, you know what, in the absence of any alternative site, we'll have to make do.

I don't believe it is "making do". I think the opposite is true. A redeveloped city ground is the eutopia not some shite soulless bowl in the middle of nowhere. I'm sorry but you can shove your multiple exec boxes, prawn sandwiches and heated seats up your arse.

 

[Wes' Organ]

My colleague has made a valid point. It is food for thought if you are an owner of a football club.
Whatever our differences, I am prepared to look at all options and the owners of NFFC will do exactly that, they are successful business people. I also let the facts form my opinions, as does my colleague.

Nobody who understands the magic of The City Ground can possibly apply logic over emotion, the owd gal is part of us and forever should be. Our soul is not for sale.
My desire, is always to be here.

 

[Rockabilly]

I don't believe it is "making do". I think the opposite is true. A redeveloped city ground is the eutopia not some shite soulless bowl in the middle of nowhere. I'm sorry but you can shove your multiple exec boxes, prawn sandwiches and heated seats up your arse.

Well said Notch.

 

[Rockabilly]

Nobody who understands the magic of The City Ground can possibly apply logic over emotion, the owd gal is part of us and forever should be. Our soul is not for sale.
My desire, is always to be here.

Well said Wes.

 

[Ashley]

Nobody who understands the magic of The City Ground can possibly apply logic over emotion, the owd gal is part of us and forever should be. Our soul is not for sale.
My desire, is always to be here.

Without wanting to sound insulting to certain people, I often wonder why those who don't get why fans love the City Ground so much and spend so much time pining for what other clubs have actually support Forest.

I love this club and everything tied to its history and identity, and the City Ground is a huge part of that. I don't understand why some people on this thread seem to care so little for that and want us to basically be a different club entirely.

Love the club for what it is rather than spend your time wishing for it to be a different club.

 

[redodare]

It's not just about the number of seats. It's about the revenue per seat.
Maguire calculated that Spurs generate £90+ per seat on average including VAT.

Ability to compete and ultimatley sustain a top 10 club will need larger capacity, better facilities and better marketing to sell the tickets to people who can pay on average £100 a game.

Club has spoken about the size of the catchment area . Wanting to be the King of the East Midlands and beyond.

Won't be popular with many existing fans. But the business side of the game is changing. Alternative will be to settle for life at the top of the championship , bottom of the premier.

I'd hope it could be achieved with a Spurs type transformation on the current site - perhaps we pay to refurb Meadow Lane and move there for a couple of years while we sort it out. Ambitious - but not beyond a visionary plan backed by a well funded ambitous owner

Why do you say that?
My start position is that I love the club but would like us to compete sustainably in the PL top 10 and eventually in Europe
For clarity, It's a £100 income per seat on average. Includes food and drink sales and averaged across the whole stadium.
Modern stadium have the club level style seats which get sold to small businesses for £3k a year etc.
Have you seen the prices for Bands at the Nottingham arena - take Journey for example - tickets are £150 if you want to be on the floor of the arena.
Do you think people in Liverpool are signifcantly more wealthy than people in Nottingham.
It's a very different business model. Many won't like it. But I'm not sure how else we can compete in the top 10 with the current rules or with proposed changes.
Although, very keen to hear otherwise