The World Famous City Ground - Home of the PROPER WORLD‘S OLDEST LEAGUE CLUB

[REDDERS78]

News articles - Post etc - quoting councillors saying ‘this is yours if you want it’

Thank f*** for that, I was worried it might be credible.

If came from the Post, which member of this forum started this vile rumour? I'll punish them to a concourse hot dog at HT.

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

I don't know what you mean ...

Coventry Arena train station to open – but football fans warned not to use it

Station beside the Ricoh arena, home to Coventry City and Wasps, will be kept closed for an hour after matches while train can take just 75 of up to 32,600 fans

www.theguardian.com

 

[YellowBelly Red]

Anything that involves the merest involvment of East Midlands Railways is a non-starter. They operate the county's oldest trains, mainly with staff that couldn't care less, and with a timetable that resembles a book of fables.

Toton would certainly eat into any supporter base from the East. Just not worth the effort in trying to get there. Its just far too far out.

 

[Otis Redding]

Where has this ridiculous talk of Toton even come from?

Quite simply, a daft, throwaway comment on here, alongside a mischievous, kite-flying suggestion by some Tory no-marks on Nottinghamshire County Council (with the obvious intention of embarrassing the Labour-controlled city council), and inevitably picked-up for purely clickbait reasons by NottinghamshireLive/NP.

Unfortunately, the gullible, naive element amongst the fanbase will inevitably buy it.

 

[congo_red_49]

Quite simply, a daft, throwaway comment on here, alongside a mischievous, kite-flying suggestion by Tory representatives on Nottinghamshire County Council, and inevitably picked-up for purely clickbait reasons by NottinghamshireLive/NP.

it would be useful though, being able to pop into Bardill's on the way to or from the game.

Joking obviously.

 

[Otis Redding]

it would be useful though, being able to pop into Bardill's on the way to or from the game.

Joking obviously.

Actually, that never occured to me.

 

[Strummer]

Can you circle the area you're talking about Strum? The pin is the park and ride area

It’s the large area to the left of that Park&Ride - south of the A5-2 there.

West of that land is the old Toton station, which is now used as a train repair facility (or, it used to be anyway).

 

[Strummer]

„Toton, Toton, Toton,
Rawhide!“

 

[Lady Penelope]

Toton is illogical, unless you are a County Cllr looking for a headline. After a match the A52 and the m1 would be gridlocked (the latter often is anyway) and tram and train cannot shift enough people quickly enough (the tram from Toton into town is embarrassingly slow anyway). Forest have many fans in the Far East (that's Lincolnshire) and if you add another 45 minutes to their journey, they will largely become lost fans. Toton might help pick up more tourists, but there are other ways of doing that if that's what you want.
Land availablilty at Toton is good, it's a cheap site, so it's not an unreasonable suggestion but it's a resounding "no thank you" from me. Better options are available.
Focus on one thing at a time, and the first thing is to make sure that Luton do not impose their physicality on Saturday. We are a far better footballing side than them, and if we stand strong, we will win. U Reds.

 

[Notcher]

Toton is illogical, unless you are a County Cllr looking for a headline. After a match the A52 and the m1 would be gridlocked (the latter often is anyway) and tram and train cannot shift enough people quickly enough (the tram from Toton into town is embarrassingly slow anyway). Forest have many fans in the Far East (that's Lincolnshire) and if you add another 45 minutes to their journey, they will largely become lost fans. Toton might help pick up more tourists, but there are other ways of doing that if that's what you want.
Land availablilty at Toton is good, it's a cheap site, so it's not an unreasonable suggestion but it's a resounding "no thank you" from me. Better options are available.
Focus on one thing at a time, and the first thing is to make sure that Luton do not impose their physicality on Saturday. We are a far better footballing side than them, and if we stand strong, we will win. U Reds.

I travel from South Yorkshire to the games so Toton would be much easier to get to rather than exiting the M1 at J26 and weaving through the city traffic from Nuthall island. Do I want to move there? Do I f**k.

The city ground is our spiritual home, the river Trent is part of our identity, it's literally part of our badge and our pre match anthem. Take that away and you rip the entire soul out of the club. I'd rather move to Burton and stay on the Trent than move to f*****gToton

 

[Strummer]

But think about the convenience for those new fans; especially the important Asian demographic - the Chinese (a great bunch of lads) will appreciate the easier access from Toton to East Midlands Airport, for example.

 

[Gyros Peter]

I travel from South Yorkshire to the games so Toton would be much easier to get to rather than exiting the M1 at J26 and weaving through the city traffic from Nuthall island. Do I want to move there? Do I f**k.

The city ground is our spiritual home, the river Trent is part of our identity, it's literally part of our badge and our pre match anthem. Take that away and you rip the entire soul out of the club. I'd rather move to Burton and stay on the Trent than move to f*****gToton

Similar boat here: Toton takes 40 mins or so off my journey. Happy to do that if it means staying at the City Ground.

 

[Lady Penelope]

The ideal location for any new build is one where the majority of fans travel on foot (from nearby locations or transport hubs) and where trams, trains, buses, boats even help share the load. If the WFCG can't be brought up to standard in a reasonable timeframe and at a reasonable cost, which happens to be my view, then another location that financially helps Forest is required. That will not be miles out of town.
Also, if you have to build the transport infrastructure, then the costs escalate enormously (and there's bugger all money in the economy to fund that). If you have the transport hubs in place, and can build nearby, that's your way forward.
I do get the emotional pull of the WFCG and the great location. My dad rabbits on about the history, including 'wet leg' in the old Trent End. I respect all of that. However, I am sure that the owner understands 'think more feel less' when it comes to the money side of things, and also that an over-reliance on 'tourist fans' is extremely short term.
The fact that one of the Forest directors lives in Toton is, I am sure, of no relevance. Another one lives in The Park.

 

[Notcher]

Reply from the council Pg1

 

[Lady Penelope]

I forgot to mention pushbikes. You don't get very far with planning these days unless you talk a lot about pushbikes, charging points and so on. Anyone fancy cycling to Toton on a wet Wednesday night in December? Thought not.

My dad tells me that he used to go with my grandad and uncle to Forest one week, Notts the next ... unless Forest were playing away but locally, Saturday morning working made longer trips awkward he says. he vividly remembers that some of the old terraced houses around Meadow Lane used to advertise bike parking for 3d, and 6d got you a cup of tea as well. Apparently there was a one shilling and 6d option, but dad won't say what you got for the extra!

 

[Notcher]

Reply from the council Pg 2

 

[David!]

I cant read that reply from council!
The first one! not second.
Edit: That's better!

 

[congo_red_49]

I'm always astounded by the ability of councils to write an entire page and a half of a letter without saying anything.

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

I wonder if Statto works for the council ...

 

[Notcher]

I'm always astounded by the ability of councils to write an entire page and a half of a letter without saying anything.

What it does show is that the club failed disclose that the council walked away from the meeting in 2019 not happy with the terms.

It also implies that the current lease doesn't have any allowance for redevelopment

 

[congo_red_49]

What it does show is that the club failed disclose that the council walked away from the meeting in 2019 not happy with the terms.

It also implies that the current lease doesn't have any allowance for redevelopment

I had thought both of those things had been implied by the new Chairman's interview on the subject? Although obviously it's nice to have it confirmed by 'the other side'.

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

Yes, I think the new lease (that never happened) included extra land that is not covered in the current lease.

 

[Flaggers]

Even if the existing lease allows development, nobody with an ounce of sense will sink north of 50 million quid into something where you could get booted off in 20 years.

 

[Statto]

I wonder if Statto works for the council ...

Nah, they rejected me because I wasn't verbose enough...

 

[Redemption]

Even if the existing lease allows development, nobody with an ounce of sense will sink north of 50 million quid into something where you could get booted off in 20 years.

Everton's Bramley Moore Dock has a 40 year lease. Although it is sub-leased from Liverpool City Council, who have a 200 year lease from Peel Holdings, who own the Dock land freehold, which was formerly, in the ownership of Mersey Docks and Harbour Board.

But 20 years is quite tight.