The World Famous City Ground - Home of the PROPER WORLD‘S OLDEST LEAGUE CLUB

[It's Baggio]

The BC stand doesn’t need knocking down.
The problem is the concourses - this is fairly easily remedied by extending them out 10 metres into the car park.

I'm not sure there's 10 metres between the Clough Stand & the set of Boat club buildings that side of the ground.

Besides, I doubt they'd undertake any works that don't increase capacity.

 

[PlayedOnGrass]

If we rebuild the Main stand, carry on the double tier of the Bridgford - that is enough capacity for now.
The BC changes would be for fan convenience and comfort.
I am sure they can build some hospitality bars and suites as well which would bring in revenue

 

[donny]

I'm not sure there's 10 metres between the Clough Stand & the set of Boat club buildings that side of the ground.

Besides, I doubt they'd undertake any works that don't increase capacity.

That corner, I think its about 8 metres from the back of the stand, however, from memory, the pillars at the back of the stand are about 3 metres from the wall that separates the concourse from the outside, so, there may be some wizardry that could be done.

 

[donny]

To do anything at the back of the BC stand, you're asking 3, maybe all 4 of the boat clubs down there to relocate, so, thats the added difficulty.

 

[SouthManchesterTree]

Can’t the boating clubs move to an out of town retail park?

 

[Rockabilly]

Can’t the boating clubs move to an out of town retail park?

THIS is my favourite post on this whole thread.

 

[Statto]

To do anything at the back of the BC stand, you're asking 3, maybe all 4 of the boat clubs down there to relocate, so, thats the added difficulty.

Nothing some petrol and matches won't solve

 

[GOBIAS]

Equally as annoying is when you slightly touch off centre to scroll down and it takes you to another page. The entire site is barely readable.

I’m late to this thread but I genuinely don’t know how reach is a viable business. I kind of understand the business model of getting rid of all their genuine local reporters and actual journalists and replacing them with barely literate kids churning out click bait. I understand the business model of having adverts litter your click bait bollocks. But to have an absolutely unusable, unreadable website I don’t understand.

 

[Otis Redding]

I’m late to this thread but I genuinely don’t know how reach is a viable business. I kind of understand the business model of getting rid of all their genuine local reporters and actual journalists and replacing them with barely literate kids churning out click bait. I understand the business model of having adverts litter your click bait bollocks. But to have an absolutely unusable, unreadable website I don’t understand.

What's concerning is that those barely-literate kids are interns from Nottingham Trent University.

 

[GOBIAS]

What's concerning is that those barely-literate kids are interns from Nottingham Trent University.

I only know it from our local paper (Hull daily mail) and they are absolutely despised / derided. I also know an old journo who was well respected and in the end drummed out. The whole organisation is an absolute joke littered with spelling and grammatical errors in every paragraph.

 

[donny]

I only know it from our local paper (Hull daily mail) and they are absolutely despised / derided. I also know an old journo who was well respected and in the end drummed out. The whole organisation is an absolute joke littered with spelling and grammatical errors in every paragraph.

I speak on a regular basis with one of the reporters up here (Doncaster), and, its the same. Lots of reporting done by people who can't really spell their own name, and its littered with errors.

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

All of the West Bridgford restaurants, not just fast food, are rammed on match days. The supermarkets and cafes have loads of people in them. The car parks are full…the local economy must do really well from having Forest there.

It's just a couple of hours for 19 days a year.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Both locations were chosen because there was a (supposedly) well financed developer looking to use the stadium as an enabling development - the stadium would have been the "community benefit" part of a much larger development that unlocked the land, so they'd build the stadium for us for free, and more than make the costs back on all the other stuff that doing so unlocked. Those proposals were absolutely nothing to do with a lack of viable alternative locations - just that they were seen as the most lucrative.

To add to Incident's point, they were put forward by Mark Arthur during Nigel Doughty's long-standing beef with the city council to try and force its hand over the CG freehold tenure. It turned out that neither were genuinely serious proposals on ND's part.

Sorry to harp back but can either of you provide evidence for this?

I would genuinely be interested to see it

 

[Wes' Organ]

the ground share idea was for the Wilford Power Station site (now B and Q etc) and the deal was all but done until Forest backed off. In my view they acted wisely. If it had gone ahead we would have had a soulless outdated dump of a ground in the middle of a traffic jam at Clifton Bridge. Close call but we made the right call there.

It was also as I stated earlier.

 

[Redemption]

It's just a couple of hours for 19 days a year.

And the corrolary would be a few 1000s people living on that site permanently, spending money all year round.

 

[Trents]

I'd like to think that all the chatter about moving location is just to try and force the council's hand on City Ground sticking points.

But then wouldn't it also work in the council's favour for us to vacate prime trentside land which they could cash in on?

 

[incident]

Sorry to harp back but can either of you provide evidence for this?

I would genuinely be interested to see it

From what I remember, the Clifton Pastures proposal had more in the way of publicly announced plans.

Unfortunately, with the scheme having died over 15 years ago, and a whole new development now underway on the same site, Google isn't coming up with much aside from this BBC article about local (ish) objections, which doesn't quite make clear the co-dependence of the Stadium and the residential development. It does say that it'd be for "5,000 houses". From memory there also would have been associated retail, and other amenities.

 

[stockers]

I'd like to think that all the chatter about moving location is just to try and force the council's hand on City Ground sticking points.

But then wouldn't it also work in the council's favour for us to vacate prime trentside land which they could cash in on?

It would also work in the clubs favour if we had to move to a cheaper site which was more isolated so they could milk the captive fans further on a matchday. I'm not sure who to believe at the moment, given the increase from £250,000 to the reported £850,000 is absolute peanuts and pretty much in line with say football wage inflation and miles less than the increase in Forests turnover then it seems to me that the club aren't that desperate to stay. The only reason i think Forest do want to stay is the way Marinarkis has spoken about the ground in the past. Personally i just think its a delaying tactic as he's not going to push the button on this if we aren't in the prem..

 

[Lady Penelope]

All of the West Bridgford restaurants, not just fast food, are rammed on match days. The supermarkets and cafes have loads of people in them. The car parks are full…the local economy must do really well from having Forest there.

If I owned the football club I would like to have some of that money spent inside the stadium. I expect that Mr marinakis feels the same way. Unfortunately, the present arrangements are extremely unhelpful to that. Going forward, the limited space available at the WFCG really restricts what can be done ... new PT stand excepted.

 

[Lady Penelope]

The BC stand doesn’t need knocking down.
The problem is the concourses - this is fairly easily remedied by extending them out 10 metres into the car park.

The BC stand is slow to get out of. Aside from the concourses, which can be extended, the seating arrangements need to be remodelled to get us beyond a 1970's design. It could be done but legroom will still be an issue. The key questions is: which is cheaper? Remodel or knock it down and start again?

 

[Lady Penelope]

I'm not sure there's 10 metres between the Clough Stand & the set of Boat club buildings that side of the ground.

Besides, I doubt they'd undertake any works that don't increase capacity.

The concourses could be extended to the rear building line of the existing structure. it's not ideal but it would be better. No need to go further into the car park / fan zone area.

 

[congo_red_49]

Just posting so that Lady Pen doesn't get four posts in a row.
I'm sure if that happens, under classic Tetris rules, all four would disappear.

 

[Notcher]

Just posting so that Lady Pen doesn't get four posts in a row.
I'm sure if that happens, under classic Tetris rules, all four would disappear.

 

[Notcher]

It would also work in the clubs favour if we had to move to a cheaper site which was more isolated so they could milk the captive fans further on a matchday. I'm not sure who to believe at the moment, given the increase from £250,000 to the reported £850,000 is absolute peanuts and pretty much in line with say football wage inflation and miles less than the increase in Forests turnover then it seems to me that the club aren't that desperate to stay. The only reason i think Forest do want to stay is the way Marinarkis has spoken about the ground in the past. Personally i just think its a delaying tactic as he's not going to push the button on this if we aren't in the prem..

As I've mentioned previously, it's not about the rental payment it's about the freehold. When you increase the rental amount by 300% it then by proxy increases the cost of the freehold. Ultimately, Marinakis wants to buy the freehold. This means the cost increases from an estimated £10M to £40M

 

[PlayedOnGrass]

The BC stand is slow to get out of. Aside from the concourses, which can be extended, the seating arrangements need to be remodelled to get us beyond a 1970's design. It could be done but legroom will still be an issue. The key questions is: which is cheaper? Remodel or knock it down and start again?

Ideally knock it down and build a new 3 tier 15,000 stand.
This isn't needed at the moment.
An upgrade in facilities is and if you extended the concourses , added more bars, restaurants (for matchday & private functions) you could do all of that for a couple of million.
I know you don't want to hear this - but people put up with it being slow to get out and the lack of legroom today and they will tomorrow.