Notcher
Stuart Pearce
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The World Famous City Ground - Home of the PROPER WORLD‘S OLDEST LEAGUE CLUB
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Masuka
Jack Burkitt
Easier for Marinakis to pay people off as well
Lord Wazzock
First Team Squad
True. They will be advising the council to screw as much cash as possible out of the club though.
I'm thinking/hoping the club are just trying to apply some pressure with this latest press release.
My city ground memories stretch back to the mid 80's - going with parents, mates, my own son. I can't stand the thought of leaving that site.
It's Baggio
John Robertson
When was the £250k p/a lease agreed? 2011?
Whilst the Council might be pushing it a bit, our turnover was about £15m that year, it'll almost certainly be more than 10x that this year.
Which other PL clubs lease? Man City pay over £5m p/a for the Etihad but I assume that covers the Training ground over the road as well.
Whilst the Council might be pushing it a bit, our turnover was about £15m that year, it'll almost certainly be more than 10x that this year.
Which other PL clubs lease? Man City pay over £5m p/a for the Etihad but I assume that covers the Training ground over the road as well.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
The location is intrinsically woven into the fabric of the club. Our crest has the waves because of it and our anthem sung at kick off is because of it. It's not just the physical ground. We lose too much of our identity to be Forest anymore.
We might as well be MK Dons at that point
Clubs like Man City and West Ham aren't accurate comparisons, as they lease the Stadium whereas we lease the Land.
If the City Council were to build 4 new stands, taking the ground up to 50k+ as at those grounds, then I'd see no problem with raising the rent to the ~5m that Man City and West Ham pay.
alabamared
Stuart Pearce
That's it. A few weeks ago it was a fairly standard 3 or 4 bed house in quite poor condition (I think had been rented out for a number of years to succesion of tenants) and now its like blimey!
It's Baggio
John Robertson
Yes, I know it's not an exact comparison. Although I'm pretty sure in City's case, the club paid towards the adaptation of the athletics stadium & the subsequent developments.
Statement: Fanzone
We have submitted a planning application to Nottingham City Council for the development of a best-in-class fanzone and event space next to Meadow Lane stadium.
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Morpeth
John Robertson
I could probably get to Italy as quick as I can get to Nottingham.
I believe that at City - the conversion for football (which was a huge amount of extra work on top of the CG stadium) was paid for by the council. Then fitting out of bars/concessions/hospitality was paid for by the club. Any subsequent expansions/refurbs/maintenance since it was handed over were also by the club. So it wouldn't be fair to say City have been given it fully ready to go, but even long term it'll still end up costing them nowhere near market rate.
West Ham have an even better deal - reportedly the local Council is actually losing money on it on an ongoing basis.
Whereas at the WFCG, Nottingham City Council own the land for historic reasons, have no real costs to speak of, and anything the club pays in rent is pure profit for them.
The Corporation of Nottingham (as it was then) offered to rent the land where the City Ground is - which at that time, was undeveloped - to get the club to move in the 1890s, so that the area around their previous ground could be developed for housing.
Forest have rented that land ever since (although, in the intervening years, they have bought up a few small parcels of land themselves, around the stadium, as well as some of the properties.
So, even if Forest told the Council to do one, the club would still own some interest themselves in the location, which might make redevelopment (for example, for housing) problematic - think what the Boat Club(s) situation has done to mess with the current plans.
As ever, it will come down to money. IF enough money can be found to satisfy the Council (whether that means selling the freehold to Forest or an increase in rent) and there are solutions found to get the Boat Club(s) to move, then sure, Forest could build a 50k seater stadium on that site. It would take work (a lot of work) and transport improvements (and better access routes) but it could be done.
But, again, it‘s all going to be about money.
Modern football, eh? This is what is has come to. And it‘s shit.
Forest have rented that land ever since (although, in the intervening years, they have bought up a few small parcels of land themselves, around the stadium, as well as some of the properties.
So, even if Forest told the Council to do one, the club would still own some interest themselves in the location, which might make redevelopment (for example, for housing) problematic - think what the Boat Club(s) situation has done to mess with the current plans.
As ever, it will come down to money. IF enough money can be found to satisfy the Council (whether that means selling the freehold to Forest or an increase in rent) and there are solutions found to get the Boat Club(s) to move, then sure, Forest could build a 50k seater stadium on that site. It would take work (a lot of work) and transport improvements (and better access routes) but it could be done.
But, again, it‘s all going to be about money.
Modern football, eh? This is what is has come to. And it‘s shit.
I lose count of how many times I've posted these words on here:
"The decision by the club's owners not to buy the land on which we play, when it was offered to them at a sensible price in the late 1980s remains the worst decision the owners of this club have ever made"
"The decision by the club's owners not to buy the land on which we play, when it was offered to them at a sensible price in the late 1980s remains the worst decision the owners of this club have ever made"
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
Someone was playing 4D chess here in Barnsley because a company bought the mineral rights under the land at Barnsley FC which means the council who own the ground and the land can't put a shovel in the ground without consent and undoubtedly a massive fee being paid to this company. It pretty much renders the land worthless to them without the company who hold the mineral rights playing ball.
Probably not something NFFC have even thought about exploring but it could put the power back into their hands if they could do the same.
Probably not something NFFC have even thought about exploring but it could put the power back into their hands if they could do the same.
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sammy the snake
Jack Armstrong
I’m just delighted the council have developed some financial skills to extract best possible rents on behalf of taxpayers, I really am.
Considering they’ve bankrupted the city and handed the keys to the government I’d like to ask where these new found skills have come from? Honestly they should let Forest crack on creating commerce and sustainable prosperity for the area, something the council have been totally incapable of.
Considering they’ve bankrupted the city and handed the keys to the government I’d like to ask where these new found skills have come from? Honestly they should let Forest crack on creating commerce and sustainable prosperity for the area, something the council have been totally incapable of.
Probably cheaper too.
Irving Scholar agrees with you.
He'd have loved to have flipped it and have us play in a flat pack somewhere along Redfield Road.
REDDERS78
Jack Armstrong
CG Forever for me.
The only location I would be willing to accept as an alternative would be one in the City.
As a I make my weekly walk down Listergate and through the Broadmatsh site I wonder how feasable it would be to, ya know.......
The only location I would be willing to accept as an alternative would be one in the City.
As a I make my weekly walk down Listergate and through the Broadmatsh site I wonder how feasable it would be to, ya know.......
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
Franchises like in the USA?
I hope I am dead and cremated before that day comes to English football.
PlayedOnGrass
First Team Squad
I think most of the village are aware - they are building the house on the corner opposite Larch Farm
Yes - they are making a good job of the rebuild. Walk the dogs past on a regular basis
ozthecoz
Geoff Thomas
For those saying that its ok for the council to increase the rent by £750k (or questioning that we can afford it now in the premier)
Would you be happy with your land lord putting up your rent because you had a new job that was better paid ? I'm sure you would be thinking "hang on, I've earned the extra money and i had it ear marked for a new car or some such thing rather than paying the landlord more"
Would you be happy with your land lord putting up your rent because you had a new job that was better paid ? I'm sure you would be thinking "hang on, I've earned the extra money and i had it ear marked for a new car or some such thing rather than paying the landlord more"
Lady Penelope
First Team Squad
The lower tier seats sit on the old terracing. The founds for the rest of the structure were put in 45 years ago so it's not entirely correct to say that the founds are older than the stand. It could be extended, it would mean acquiring those boat sheds along the riverside (only one has merit, the University one nearest to Lady Bay Bridge which is a nice deco building and which need not be involved in this. However, the stand was designed 45 years ago. The concourse arrangements, the leg room, the exits are all of that era. In a few years time it will be totally unfit for purpose and will need to be rebuilt so why are we even bothering to mess about with it. The WFCG is a great view as you wander over Trent Bridge. The match day vibe is usually excellent. Other than that it is well past the sell by date and it is futile to pretend otherwise. If we could rebuild on the same site I am up for that. Where would we play in the meantime? Also, WB is going to pushback hard on a 40,000+ development on that site.
This thread has gone a bit „Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous“ now that the Ravenshead Massive have turned up!
Lady Penelope
First Team Squad
I've just been reminded that the per seat costs for a new build are likely around 70% of the cost for a partial refurb of the WFCG. back of an envelope calculations but will be considered by the owner, especially if he (they to be accurate) acquire the freehold at the current site or at Eastcroft.
PlayedOnGrass
First Team Squad
It depends what they want to build.
County Council are already on the path to selling County Hall - which will probably be luxury apartments
Any new owner of WFCG will want a good RoI - and the only way to get that will be more luxury apartments.
I know WB is a very popular area - but I think this is more for houses than flats.
I know one of the investors of the Waterside development and they really struggled to get near their forecast RoI - even whilst there was a housing shortage in WB in general.
It is also about supply and demand - the reason property prices are so high is that supply exceeds demand.
If the area is flooded with apartments - it will have detrimental effect on the property prices area as a whole.
WB needs more property, but it needs to be the right type of property.