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[REDDERS78]

I never had a proposal in the first place.i stated my opinion which you denigrated with juvenile name calling.
The carbon footprint comments appear to have agitated you but I was only stating the obvious and you don't need to be swampy to know about what the carbon footprint is because it's been rammed down our throats for a few years.... Ironically that is why you even heard of swampy
Kapeesh???

It was a bit of a joke really, apologies if offended. I doubt you really are in fairness.

If we started every challenge in life by firstly looking at the carbon footprint we wouldn't get anything done would we? Those lithium batteries for your electric car wouldn't get made, let alone anything else. You may as well say, yes there's a carbon footprint so it cant be done.

In this instance I'm more interested in the reality of achieving it, as opposed to its carbon footprint. I mean, were hardly going to start pushing China on emissions by building a few roads are we?

 

[redun]

It was a bit of a joke really, apologies if offended. I doubt you really are in fairness.

If we started every challenge in life by firstly looking at the carbon footprint we wouldn't get anything done would we? Those lithium batteries for your electric car wouldn't get made, let alone anything else. You may as well say, yes there's a carbon footprint so it cant be done.

In this instance I'm more interested in the reality of achieving it, as opposed to its carbon footprint. I mean, were hardly going to start pushing China on emissions by building a few roads are we?

The reality of the things you want to achieve in relation to an upgrade on the main stand could well involve a fair bit of compromise, hence my suggestions relating to design changes. That didn't stop you denigrating those either did it?

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[REDDERS78]

The reality of the things you want to achieve in relation to an upgrade on the main stand could well involve a fair bit of compromise, hence my suggestions relating to design changes. That didn't stop you denigrating those either did it?

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The only real difference is your "plans" have never been backed up with any evidence that they are achievable, you simply question the clubs and Benoy's ability to look into things you claim are achievable, without actually saying how. You've spent the entirety of this thread arguing with people and then asking them to ignore you when they have the temerity to ask how you would achieve it.

With regards the Carbon emissions post I have absolutely no doubt that the poster has some credible data which he will post and have valid points, If you do the same we can have a sensible debate without anyone getting offended.

We can all talk pie in the sky and question Benoys ability to deliver a solution but lets at least back it up with something concrete when doing so.

I cant really say anymore than that but wont be continuing to as others have to get involved in a tit for tat battle with you, its boring.

 

[trentside69]

It was a bit of a joke really, apologies if offended. I doubt you really are in fairness.

If we started every challenge in life by firstly looking at the carbon footprint we wouldn't get anything done would we? Those lithium batteries for your electric car wouldn't get made, let alone anything else. You may as well say, yes there's a carbon footprint so it cant be done.

In this instance I'm more interested in the reality of achieving it, as opposed to its carbon footprint. I mean, were hardly going to start pushing China on emissions by building a few roads are we?

Apologies accepted and no harm done. I will also offer an apology for any unintended offence caused.
I'm no eco warrior I'm just aware that among all the other things the footprint will need to be addressed.

 

[Trents]

I'd like to think that the club have been surprised by the ticket demand since our return to the prem and realised that they have underestimated the amount of expansion that could be regularly filled. They have the numbers from memberships and queue numbers on ticketing system. With Tom Cartledge, we couldn't have a better Chairman in place right now to sort this quandary out.

Something has to be done, something more than 500 temp seats in the corners. I'm one of the lucky ones but also fully aware that sourcing matchday tickets is pretty much a closed shop at the mo. It's sad that future generations of fans have no chance of either getting on the season ticket/membership ladder or getting a seat next to family members.

Out of interest a committee report from last year was recently uploaded to the current planning application so that PT stand rebuild might not be quite as dead in the water as some think.

 

[REDDERS78]

Apologies accepted and no harm done. I will also offer an apology for any unintended offence caused.
I'm no eco warrior I'm just aware that among all the other things the footprint will need to be addressed.

I'm not offended at all mate, I was and am a bit flippant I'll admit.

I know and I do get it. I'm more frustrated that most option cant be achieved before even considering the carbon footprint, let alone after!

Call me ignorant but if you asked me if we achieve our goal irrespective of emissions I'd be happy to because I'm fully aware that its a grain of sand on a beach, I'm also aware that if everybody had that attitude we would never get close to reducing them. Both solutions would be the best outcome obviously.

What about growing our own ground? (sorry)

 

[trentside69]

I'm not offended at all mate, I was and am a bit flippant I'll admit.

I know and I do get it. I'm more frustrated that most option cant be achieved before even considering the carbon footprint, let alone after!

Call me ignorant but if you asked me if we achieve our goal irrespective of emissions I'd be happy to because I'm fully aware that its a grain of sand on a beach, I'm also aware that if everybody had that attitude we would never get close to reducing them. Both solutions would be the best outcome obviously.

What about growing our own ground? (sorry)

The carbon footprint thing is another obstacle.
Not so much because we have got to save the planet but it's more because the cronies who are employed in the saving the planet industry will want their pound of flesh.
It's not something that can't be sorted out with the right palms being greased so if that happens we can all be sure the planet will be safe and we will have an upgraded stadium.
It's all about the £

 

[REDDERS78]

The carbon footprint thing is another obstacle.
Not so much because we have got to save the planet but it's more because the cronies who are employed in the saving the planet industry will want their pound of flesh.
It's not something that can't be sorted out with the right palms being greased so if that happens we can all be sure the planet will be safe and we will have an upgraded stadium.
It's all about the £

Are there any laws in place relating to emissions limits on building projects? Its not something I've ever thought about.

In terms of increased traffic I mean

 

[congo_red_49]

The carbon footprint thing is another obstacle.
Not so much because we have got to save the planet but it's more because the cronies who are employed in the saving the planet industry will want their pound of flesh.
It's not something that can't be sorted out with the right palms being greased so if that happens we can all be sure the planet will be safe and we will have an upgraded stadium.
It's all about the £

There's probably some carbon footprint reducing measures that could easily be implemented during the build, for a no to a little extra cost that would reduce costs long term, US stadium builds have been very good at this recently, so we could look there for inspiration, but things like reclaimed water for non-consumption purposes, modern insulation and dual purpose heat pump/air con units for indoor areas will very quickly pay for themselves.

 

[redun]

All I have done is offer suggestions which may overcome the reservations of our previous chairman with regard to the negatives a 3 sided ground would have. I have based those suggestions on my limited knowledge of the existing stand and have qualified my posts in that regard. I have never argued with all and sundry as you imply.

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[Mr. Blonde]

If we're worried about large footprints that "robot stadium on legs" idea has to be right out!

 

[Otis Redding]

I haven’t got anything to add, but thought I might pop in to repeat an idea or something that was already suggested a few pages back, written slightly differently, without bothering to check if had already been suggested and debated. That ok?

Point taken CR.

 

[garibaldi]

I assume that Lady Penelope is in some way linked to either the club/council in some official capacity and the fact one of her biggest concerns is the laughable idea that the fans are too close to the pitch leading to encroachment leads me to thinking we don't have the right sort of people behind this scheme if my assumptions are correct and I'd rather stick now with a small ground.

Also cars are the past? This isn't London! Everyday I read on the Cotgrave noticeboard that some poor bugger is stuck in Nottingham because the buses have cancelled.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

I assume that Lady Penelope is in some way linked to either the club/council in some official capacity and the fact one of her biggest concerns is the laughable idea that the fans are too close to the pitch leading to encroachment leads me to thinking we don't have the right sort of people behind this scheme if my assumptions are correct and I'd rather stick now with a small ground.

Also cars are the past? This isn't London! Everyday I read on the Cotgrave noticeboard that some poor bugger is stuck in Nottingham because the buses have cancelled.

I live in Cotgrave and it's a constant problem

Dread to think how I'd manage without my car, which is a sad statement really

 

[Sherwood Kestrel]

If using the shipping containers doesn't involve planning permission. Does anyone think the club might consider the idea for the PT stand. Would be cheaper but definetly uglier. It would boost the capacity but I can't see the corporate facilities being up to scratch.

 

[dr_horse]

Look we wouldn't have to change Mull of Kintyre so the questions answer themselves.

If we build a new stadium on a different site then won't it have a new name?

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[MaxiRobriguez]

If we build a new stadium on a different site then won't it have a new name?

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If it's built on Eastcroft site then it's within the city boundaries and so the "City Ground" is still somewhat appropriate regardless of what sponsorship the new stadium has.

Uncle Fawaz Bangin Fridges I know So Because Henri Lansbury Told Me So Playing Video Games Stadium

 

[Lady Penelope]

I was connected with the city council, hence my knowledge of the old Clifton Bridge shared stadium scheme and, more recently, Eastcrift development. My current role involves infrastructure development, and hence knowledge pf stadia all over the place.
My concerns about people getting on the pitch has been described as laughable. if that Leicester guy had been carrying a weapon when he got close to Djed Spence, would that have been laughable? Football authorities are rightly concerned about the risks and so planning to prevent such incursions will be built in to stadium design. That will cost us capacity if we still at the WFCG was the point i was making.
It's a sad fact that in the UK the usual response is "yes but", when what we need is "and yes ...".
To sum up, unless lots of property can be acquired the WFCG is not capable of significant expansion and modernisation. i wish it were not so. It's not just about toilets, it's about thinking ahead ... and yes. An alternative remains potentially available, and it's a good time to be offering the City some brass. if I were Marinakis I'd do it, and whilst some folks will never accept change, the evidence is that most folks do when the alternative is so much better than the previous fan experience.
Set the emotion aside and look at the potential.
Please don't describe the issues of fan encroachment as laughable.

 

[Lee]

I was connected with the city council, hence my knowledge of the old Clifton Bridge shared stadium scheme and, more recently, Eastcrift development. My current role involves infrastructure development, and hence knowledge pf stadia all over the place.
My concerns about people getting on the pitch has been described as laughable. if that Leicester guy had been carrying a weapon when he got close to Djed Spence, would that have been laughable? Football authorities are rightly concerned about the risks and so planning to prevent such incursions will be built in to stadium design. That will cost us capacity if we still at the WFCG was the point i was making.
It's a sad fact that in the UK the usual response is "yes but", when what we need is "and yes ...".
To sum up, unless lots of property can be acquired the WFCG is not capable of significant expansion and modernisation. i wish it were not so. It's not just about toilets, it's about thinking ahead ... and yes. An alternative remains potentially available, and it's a good time to be offering the City some brass. if I were Marinakis I'd do it, and whilst some folks will never accept change, the evidence is that most folks do when the alternative is so much better than the previous fan experience.
Set the emotion aside and look at the potential.
Please don't describe the issues of fan encroachment as laughable.

Ah so a Leicester fan off his tits on a questionable white powder, encroaches onto the pitch means we're all at it? Don't get me wrong, it is a concern, but with the right security in place and people like this being banned from stadiums permanently.. It should be minimal going forward.

Focusing on infrastructure then, honestly I don't see much better elsewhere. Buses are permanently trash. I have no faith in the railways(used them for playoff final day, never again) nor the tram(has big spells of just being broke). Even getting around by car is major problem as Cadent seem to have dug up most of the roads(and when they aren't at it, Severn Trent take the opportunity)

 

[magicwoand]

We don't need to move, we need to knock it down and rebuild rotated 90 degrees it gives us so much more room all around. We could knock the Peter Taylor stand down and start building the new one whilst still playing at the City ground. Move to Murder Lane for a few years and then we could have something amazing. Have some Allianze Arena style lighting on the back of the Trent viewable from Trent Bridge for sweet advertising money.

 

[Quntib Hollox]

I was connected with the city council, hence my knowledge of the old Clifton Bridge shared stadium scheme and, more recently, Eastcrift development. My current role involves infrastructure development, and hence knowledge pf stadia all over the place.
My concerns about people getting on the pitch has been described as laughable. if that Leicester guy had been carrying a weapon when he got close to Djed Spence, would that have been laughable? Football authorities are rightly concerned about the risks and so planning to prevent such incursions will be built in to stadium design. That will cost us capacity if we still at the WFCG was the point i was making.
It's a sad fact that in the UK the usual response is "yes but", when what we need is "and yes ...".
To sum up, unless lots of property can be acquired the WFCG is not capable of significant expansion and modernisation. i wish it were not so. It's not just about toilets, it's about thinking ahead ... and yes. An alternative remains potentially available, and it's a good time to be offering the City some brass. if I were Marinakis I'd do it, and whilst some folks will never accept change, the evidence is that most folks do when the alternative is so much better than the previous fan experience.
Set the emotion aside and look at the potential.
Please don't describe the issues of fan encroachment as laughable.

As an old sentimentalist opposed to change I’m hopeful the current owners realise the potential of this club and are exploring ALL options.
We shouldn’t be closed off to moving if it secures our long term future and elevates our status allowing us to compete at the highest level.

 

[Lady Penelope]

The WFCG site has issues with the near neighbours, access and egress, and whichever way you rotate it those issues remain.
Do we want to be in a building site for four years or more? Do we want to play at Prideless Park or Meadow Lane for however long? A benefit of a new build is that you can stay where we are whilst the new stadium is under construction.
For clarity, I too wish we could 'fix it' at the WFCG, but unless our ambitions are extremely modest, we can't.
Another consideration ... trams. Not everyone travels to the ground by tram, several different modes of transport are used. The trams shift a lot of people from Hills=borough, another great example is the fabulous new stadium at Lyon (it's out of town sadly) so tram travel is a feature going forward. The NET expansion plans propose a tram stop on Meadow Lane ... it's not going over Trent Bridge. That means that the problem remains of thousands of fans passing over Trent Bridge (the junction with Trentside is dangerous) and Lady Bay. Eastcroft means that you don't even have to build a tramway extension!

 

[Lady Penelope]

As an old sentimentalist opposed to change I’m hopeful the current owners realise the potential of this club and are exploring ALL options.
We shouldn’t be closed off to moving if it secures our long term future and elevates our status allowing us to compete at the highest level.

Exactly. How ambitious are we? How ambitious are we to provide top level facilities for the fans? Perhaps the failure to invest at the current place. other than cosmetic things, suggests that the owner is in fact thinking ahead.
having said that, surveyors were on site yesterday!

 

[Mr. Blonde]

It's not just about toilets, it's about thinking ahead

Sorry no offence intended but this made me laugh

 

[B35]

Where's eastcroft?