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[congo_red_49]

So - based on that formula - Bournemouth home games will see 3 of the 4 sides reserved for away fans?

I think you misunderstand the formula.

Team have to allocate 10% if the the ground is UNDER 30k total capacity, so in Born Muff's case 10% of 11,364, which is 1,136.

Teams for whom 10% of the capacity is MORE that 3,000 only have to offer 3,000. Old Trafford for example, where 10% would be 7,488 - only have to offer 3,000.

 

[Trents]

So - based on that formula - Bournemouth home games will see 3 of the 4 sides reserved for away fans?

How do you work that out?

 

[congo_red_49]

I agree, just look at the demand at the moment.... I am almost resigned now never being able to buy a ticket for myself directly from the club. I would have to buy one second hand. I just think 35K is too small. We are the 9th largest metro area in the UK and we have some fans who are outside Nottingham. I think 45K is the sweet spot in all honesty however would that be fun if we get relegated? I remember going to League 1 games with 18k and some championship games with 22k. Need to be a little less fickle as well.

There's probably more demand for tickets at the moment due to the novelty of being a Premier League side (and to some degree last year because if us actually being successful by playing good football for once). Whether that demand would remain quite so high if we survive but then have a couple of below mid-table finishes remains to be seen.

 

[Quntib Hollox]

I attended the meeting yesterday in person, if Counsellor Thomas was deeply distressed regarding the £270k. I’d hate to think what she would be like during…… let’s say her house was burning down.

I loved one comment yesterday from Mr Ashcroft yesterday “ affordable housing is expensive but it’s affordable to someone” what an absolute put down to Counsellor Thomas

Why is it the clubs responsibility to create affordable housing anyway?
The fact that they’re building a130odd apartment block frees up affordable housing elsewhere surely

 

[Strummer]

Why is it the clubs responsibility to create affordable housing anyway?
The fact that they’re building a130odd apartment block frees up affordable housing elsewhere surely

In any new housing development, there is a responsibility on the developer in question to provide a proportion of „affordable“ housing (the definition of what „affordable“ is, of course, varies).

There are various ways for developers to get around this requirement quite legally, often by either building or providing funding for the building of, affordable housing elsewhere.

There have been several high-profile developments built with zero local provision for „affordable“ housing „on-site“ (can‘t have scruffy poor people cluttering up the show, can you?) and instead, the developer provides money for new-build elsewhere, or contributes to existing projects, or something similar.

I don‘t know for certain, but I would expect that in the plans for this new apartment development, this commitment has been considered. It is possibly not feasible (from an architectural standpoint, if nothing else) to build a number of (significantly smaller) apartments into the same block. Of course, that may be complete bollocks and the club might just do that.

I guess we will see, when the final plans are released.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

The revenue from the apartments though, will subsidise the new stand. And I remain convinced that - longer term - the „new“ Peter Taylor Stand won‘t be seen as the „Main“ stand in future, that will be a redeveloped Brian Clough Stand, because as we all know, the then-Executive Stand was simply plonked on top of the old East Stand terracing, with the profits from the European success.

Forest could, once the new PT Stand is done, and maybe the extension to the Bridgford Stand sorted, consider demolishing the entire current BC stand, and rebuilding it as a triple-tier structure - there is absolutely plenty of room to do that, and less potential objection in terms of right-to-light (the nearest buildings are the environment agency to the east, and the houses south of the stadium).

A new, larger, more modern BC Stand could well take the stadium to 40k capacity, and that would (probably) be enough for a few years, at least.

It all depends on staying in the top flight, of course!

Maybe, why not just do it now though with the PT stand? There's the same amount of room give or take out the random turnstile buildings.

And yes realise the flats pay for the development but equally staying in the PL gives us revenue we are not currently guaranteed, so we could just wait and see how we fare this season and if we do OK then go for it?

 

[Project Zeus]

Why is it the clubs responsibility to create affordable housing anyway?
The fact that they’re building a130odd apartment block frees up affordable housing elsewhere surely

Brand new apartments on the river, next to a Premier League football stadium? They'll be anything but affordable.

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[Trents]

I agree, just look at the demand at the moment.... I am almost resigned now never being able to buy a ticket for myself directly from the club. I would have to buy one second hand. I just think 35K is too small. We are the 9th largest metro area in the UK and we have some fans who are outside Nottingham. I think 45K is the sweet spot in all honesty however would that be fun if we get relegated? I remember going to League 1 games with 18k and some championship games with 22k. Need to be a little less fickle as well.

I think the 'at the moment' is key. We are on as much of a high as we a probably ever going to be on as a Premier League club. I expect that high to last all season, or maybe further as we head into a shiny new stand but at some point that mood will cool.

Last time we were in the top flight we were averaging 24/25K, even when we finished 3rd. I think 35K, then 38K with the Bridgford is realistic enough.

 

[congo_red_49]

Brand new apartments on the river, next to a Premier League football stadium? They'll be anything but affordable.

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Nice place for an overpaid Conservative councilor to shack up though...

 

[Redemption]

There are no affordable homes in the current plan.

This was explained yesterday. To meet the requirements of other parts of the stakeholders concern about height, waterfront aesthtics and traffic impact from residentoal concentration, the total number of units was reduced. This meant it was less viable to include affordable homes.

A contribution to affordable homes was asked for in the Section 106 agreement - the £700k, which was established by RBC. But the club said they would only on contribute £430k because the total economic impact to the Borough and city would be £800m over 10 years. Some of this benefit would accrue to RBC and it was up to it to divert it to affordable homes if it was their priority.

 

[Steve B]

Putting common sense to one side for a minute we’re currently in a direct war with Lester for East Midlands domination and they’ve got a head start on us - if they build 40k I’ll want 42k. Nottingham is the capital of the East Midlands and should have the biggest football stadium. We have to be top dogs again.

 

[Quntib Hollox]

I think the 'at the moment' is key. We are on as much of a high as we a probably ever going to be on as a Premier League club. I expect that high to last all season, or maybe further as we head into a shiny new stand but at some point that mood will cool.

Last time we were in the top flight we were averaging 24/25K, even when we finished 3rd. I think 35K, then 38K with the Bridgford is realistic enough.

The demand is on a different scale now though. We’ve been selling out 29k constantly in the championship against moderate opposition

 

[Fisht5]

My uncle was the bloke at the start that got the increase in capacity wrong, bless him. Think he got confused thinking thinking we were adding 8000 seats to the Main Stand which would almost increase it by 30% or that the permission was for both the Main Stand and the Bridgford.

He's right in some senses that it can be a bit of a nightmare getting out of the ground at full time, either going towards the Southbank or Lady Bay Bridge and adding more people visiting the ground at one time probably isn't going to make that any easier. Seen some folk pointing out that we had 40k in 1978 but let's be honest here, we probably didn't have the terrorist barriers and the police blocking the road or closing bridges in 1978.

I've gone Trent Bridge way and Lady Bay way before when it's busy and to be honest, in the event of people having to get away from the stadium quickly like a terrorist attack or something like that, there would be some serious injuries to people, especially in the winter months. It's high unlikely but in 2022, it's not impossible.

All things considered, I do support the capacity expansion. That said, would be nice if they could maybe add a streetlight at the bottom of the Cycle Steps on Lady Bay because you are playing a bit of a guessing game and herding like penguins at times for a night game there.

Although I’m in favour of the stand, have to agree with the objector’s point regarding exit points. Anyone trying to go back towards the city has to navigate the cattle scrum across the bridges, especially Lady Bay. Don’t understand why a footbridge can’t be constructed from Trentside over to Meadow Lane with entrance at the cattle market?


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[Redemption]

Although I’m in favour of the stand, have to agree with the objector’s point regarding exit points. Anyone trying to go back towards the city has to navigate the cattle scrum across the bridges, especially Lady Bay. Don’t understand why a footbridge can’t be constructed from Trentside over to Meadow Lane with entrance at the cattle market?


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All the ships mate.

 

[REDDERS78]

Great news this and long overdue.

Do agree with points raised about congestion after games. I sit in Upper BC and mostly use Lady Bay to get out but its an absolute nightmare. That silly little footbridge is totally inadequate, as is the staircase that leads up to it. I often walk on the actual road because its so crowded.

Irrespective of any developments I really think it needs looking at.

 

[Trents]

Putting common sense to one side for a minute we’re currently in a direct war with Lester for East Midlands domination and they’ve got a head start on us - if they build 40k I’ll want 42k. Nottingham is the capital of the East Midlands and should have the biggest football stadium. We have to be top dogs again.

Leicester won't sell 40K out every week. I also don't consider them rivals.

 

[adam09]

The demand is on a different scale now though. We’ve been selling out 29k constantly in the championship against moderate opposition

I wouldn’t say it was constantly. I’d say it was from when we started looking really good under Steve Cooper.

 

[Dr Sheldon Cooper]

Unlike most people here I'm a bit sad the old Brittania Rowing Club is being demolished. My dad used to work there in the early 70s and he used to take me with him when he was getting it ready on a Saturday afternoon. By leaning out of the window a bit I could just about see in between the old Trent End and Main Stand which was pretty much all I saw of Forest after my dad took me in 1971 to see some team that played in white (Preston? Fulham?) when we sat in the East Stand - until I started going with my mates in 1976. It had a unique "bat cave" interior which made it more interesting than most gig venues.
Still times change so roll on the new Main Stand.

 

[Quntib Hollox]

I wouldn’t say it was constantly. I’d say it was from when we started looking really good under Steve Cooper.

You can’t take our potential support capacity from a time when we were arguably the worst team in the second division

 

[valspoodle]

Yes, and worse.

I've seen it split the front of house in two from it being in the driveway.

We had an outbreak on our allotment once. They taped off the area like a crimescene and men in white suits came, carefully dug it out and took it away.

I belive that if you get it, you're able to claim onn your building insurance.

Exactly as we have it on our allotments at the moment. It's on one plot right in one corner by the car park area and we get a grandstand view every time we come up to our plots. They take it very seriously indeed.

 

[Rigler]

I know you meant whichever is smaller. 3000 max.

Oops, yes that's what I meant.

 

[RedRobbo]

How do you work that out?

It’s called irony

 

[Otis Redding]

Can't help but feel we will regret not being more ambitious in terms of seating capacity for the PT stand.

Should forget the tower block of flats and add another tier on the stand so we can go straight to 40,000 seats. Losing the tower block will help with egress concerns.

Quite simply, no apartments, no stand - at least not the type of modern, state-of-the-art structure required for a club with a long-term ambition of competing at the highest level.

 

[adam09]

You can’t take our potential support capacity from a time when we were arguably the worst team in the second division

You can’t assume 50-60k are going to keep turning up when we aren’t winning most games because history shows they don’t.

 

[Cloughie1975]

You can’t assume 50-60k are going to keep turning up when we aren’t winning most games because history shows they don’t.

I agree-we have never exceeded an average around 32,000 for home games in any season in our 157 year
history(even when our capacity was over 47,000).
It would be truly remarkable if that changed on a consistent basis-especially in a relatively poor city like
Nottingham where the fortunes of Forest have ebbed and flowed through the decades.