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Grenville Morris
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its how old they were at the start of the competition i think
its how old they were at the start of the competition i think
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The Henri Lansbury SuperThread - Sponsored by The Artist Formerly Known As Samuel
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Jack Burkitt
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I lost respect for him when he came off at half time at West Ham to be treated for a broken leg and didn't re-emerge. Puff.
I lost respect for him when he came off at half time at West Ham to be treated for a broken leg and didn't re-emerge. Puff.
kevin
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It's Baggio
John Robertson
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It is, which makes total sense. Can you imagine preparing for a torunament for two years then losing your captain the week before the final because he turned 22.
The u21 side looks very good, especially if you put Caulker back in, aside from the strikers.
It is, which makes total sense. Can you imagine preparing for a torunament for two years then losing your captain the week before the final because he turned 22.
The u21 side looks very good, especially if you put Caulker back in, aside from the strikers.
Col
Has he singed yet?
I agree. We'll be lucky to escape relegation now.
tropix
Steve Chettle
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I've got an idea for a charity fundraiser in the summer. We all meet up and pie Kevin in the face. £5 fee. Let's put him to good use
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mattbellassai/ways-to-perfectly-pie-someone-in-the-face
I've got an idea for a charity fundraiser in the summer. We all meet up and pie Kevin in the face. £5 fee. Let's put him to good use
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mattbellassai/ways-to-perfectly-pie-someone-in-the-face
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Sorry, but I can't really agree. It's the Under 21's, not the 21's so I thought? So fair enough if he's 20, then turns 21, but you should be well aware if someone is going to be 22 in 2 years time or not.
I think the way we use our 21's is of very little use to the full International side at all.
Sorry, but I can't really agree. It's the Under 21's, not the 21's so I thought? So fair enough if he's 20, then turns 21, but you should be well aware if someone is going to be 22 in 2 years time or not.
I think the way we use our 21's is of very little use to the full International side at all.
tropix
Steve Chettle
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It's a good job Google is in a rich vein of form
It's a good job Google is in a rich vein of form
BeestonRedz
Viv Anderson
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Has anyone noticed McGugan lately? 3 goals in 3 games all sub appearances. He's more than good enough and fired up at the moment to step in if the injury keeps lansbury out for a couple of weeks. remeber its a week and a half before we play again + Greening/Moussi both looked really good last time they played.
It's a bit shite that he's been with the under 21's for 5 minutes and gets injured though.
Has anyone noticed McGugan lately? 3 goals in 3 games all sub appearances. He's more than good enough and fired up at the moment to step in if the injury keeps lansbury out for a couple of weeks. remeber its a week and a half before we play again + Greening/Moussi both looked really good last time they played.
It's a bit shite that he's been with the under 21's for 5 minutes and gets injured though.
Project Zeus
Steve Chettle
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Steve McClaren and Peter Reid in the studio for the Brazil/Italy game. If ever two footballing geniuses were in the same room...
Steve McClaren and Peter Reid in the studio for the Brazil/Italy game. If ever two footballing geniuses were in the same room...
Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
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The only issue I have with McGugan replacing Lansbury down the right hand side, is that Lansbury does so much work going backwards that he doesn't get credit for, and i'm not sure Lewis will provide the same support to Jara, especially against a well oiled midfield like Brighton who can keep the ball for periods of time.
For me Lewis needs to be in the hole behind the strikers. But I wouldn't really advocate moving Raddy to the right to allow that to happen. It's a tough one, and hopefully Lansbury will be fine and it was just a knock anyway. Although I think it was a bruised shin that was keeping him out at the start of the season.
The only issue I have with McGugan replacing Lansbury down the right hand side, is that Lansbury does so much work going backwards that he doesn't get credit for, and i'm not sure Lewis will provide the same support to Jara, especially against a well oiled midfield like Brighton who can keep the ball for periods of time.
For me Lewis needs to be in the hole behind the strikers. But I wouldn't really advocate moving Raddy to the right to allow that to happen. It's a tough one, and hopefully Lansbury will be fine and it was just a knock anyway. Although I think it was a bruised shin that was keeping him out at the start of the season.
ForestinLancs
Geoff Thomas
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Henri isn't soft, he's just following Billy's instructions not to take any risks ....
Henri isn't soft, he's just following Billy's instructions not to take any risks ....
forestzoe
Jack Burkitt
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But isn't it the same at club U21 level (and other levels?). A certain amount of over age players are allowed, within certain, set parameters? I agree to a certain extent, bgd, but at some point surely it's better for younger players to also play alongside older and/or slightly more experienced players in order that they benefit from someone a little more experienced, instruction, marshalling on field, relax a bit more... or none of the above and many other factors also? I know they are professionals but it still must be daunting and fairly emtional for some.
It's also about trying to prep and blood these guys to be ready for the full Int team if called up, and if a couple of slightly overage players are allowed, and played, so what as long as it's a level field for all concerned? If I was a 9 year old and played every game for my team and turned 10 after playing for months, I'd be annoyed if I couldn't then play at the final. It's the same for these guys to an extent.
Plus, it gives those who are in the frame for the National Squad but on the periphery, a chance to shine, participate in the Int set-up and stay on the fringes and/or start to force their way in.
But isn't it the same at club U21 level (and other levels?). A certain amount of over age players are allowed, within certain, set parameters? I agree to a certain extent, bgd, but at some point surely it's better for younger players to also play alongside older and/or slightly more experienced players in order that they benefit from someone a little more experienced, instruction, marshalling on field, relax a bit more... or none of the above and many other factors also? I know they are professionals but it still must be daunting and fairly emtional for some.
It's also about trying to prep and blood these guys to be ready for the full Int team if called up, and if a couple of slightly overage players are allowed, and played, so what as long as it's a level field for all concerned? If I was a 9 year old and played every game for my team and turned 10 after playing for months, I'd be annoyed if I couldn't then play at the final. It's the same for these guys to an extent.
Plus, it gives those who are in the frame for the National Squad but on the periphery, a chance to shine, participate in the Int set-up and stay on the fringes and/or start to force their way in.
It's Baggio
John Robertson
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At club u21 level you're allowed 3 over aged outfield players and a 'keeper. At international level you can pick anyone who was u21 at the beginning of that particular campaign, in this case that would've been the beginning of the 11/12 season.
At club u21 level you're allowed 3 over aged outfield players and a 'keeper. At international level you can pick anyone who was u21 at the beginning of that particular campaign, in this case that would've been the beginning of the 11/12 season.
forestzoe
Jack Burkitt
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Thanks IB for the clarification.
I do agree with it, and it's not as if it's a loophole or other exploit that only some do. It's a known quantity for EVERY team, so for me it's about experience, the usefulness of getting "kids" used to the Int set-up, assessment and much more, including allowing the youngsters both the experience of Int set-up (to an extent) without the massive pressure that 1st team Int exposure generates. Training is good for so much, exposure for more. It's a fine balance.
Thanks IB for the clarification.
I do agree with it, and it's not as if it's a loophole or other exploit that only some do. It's a known quantity for EVERY team, so for me it's about experience, the usefulness of getting "kids" used to the Int set-up, assessment and much more, including allowing the youngsters both the experience of Int set-up (to an extent) without the massive pressure that 1st team Int exposure generates. Training is good for so much, exposure for more. It's a fine balance.
DapperDan
Steve Chettle
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He badly injured?
He badly injured?
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Jack Armstrong
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Almost every f***ing time one of our players goes on international duty they get injured. Guedioura is the only exception.
Almost every f***ing time one of our players goes on international duty they get injured. Guedioura is the only exception.
tropix
Steve Chettle
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Any updates?
Any updates?
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Stuart Pearce
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He's the most successful U-21 manager in England's history and has just set a record for consecutive wins (eight). Not sure when the desire to win became a negative trait in a football coach. In any case, of the 23 man squad that went to Euro 2012, 14 had played for him at U-21 level. Strange criticism.
He's the most successful U-21 manager in England's history and has just set a record for consecutive wins (eight). Not sure when the desire to win became a negative trait in a football coach. In any case, of the 23 man squad that went to Euro 2012, 14 had played for him at U-21 level. Strange criticism.
Fisher
Geoff Thomas
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OWNED.
OWNED.
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You've just enforced my point if anything.
All he cares about is winning matches, not player development.
There was a tournament not long back where he was playing 4-1-4-1 negative hoofball. with Danny Rose at left-mid and Scott Sinclair, who was in the form of his life, on the bench. Persisting with Michael Mancienne in the hold role also.
Obviously there is nothing wrong with winning and wanting to win. But the primary focus is to develop players, particularly those who have a chance of making it in the full international side someday.
Nigeria have the best Youth international record in the world don't they? Look at the good that's done them...
I remember him complaining about not being allowed players who had been injured, I think Wilshere was one, a little while ago, yet it's not about him. It's about each individual player, and if they're not fully fit, then it's not in the interest of their development to player an 'Under 21' game. Despite Pearce's desire to win football matches.
You can talk stats all day, but they're not the focus of the England youth teams. Or at least, they really shouldn't be.
You've just enforced my point if anything.
All he cares about is winning matches, not player development.
There was a tournament not long back where he was playing 4-1-4-1 negative hoofball. with Danny Rose at left-mid and Scott Sinclair, who was in the form of his life, on the bench. Persisting with Michael Mancienne in the hold role also.
Obviously there is nothing wrong with winning and wanting to win. But the primary focus is to develop players, particularly those who have a chance of making it in the full international side someday.
Nigeria have the best Youth international record in the world don't they? Look at the good that's done them...
I remember him complaining about not being allowed players who had been injured, I think Wilshere was one, a little while ago, yet it's not about him. It's about each individual player, and if they're not fully fit, then it's not in the interest of their development to player an 'Under 21' game. Despite Pearce's desire to win football matches.
You can talk stats all day, but they're not the focus of the England youth teams. Or at least, they really shouldn't be.
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Stuart Pearce
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Joe Hart
Jack Butland
Leighton Baines
Glen Johnson
Phil Jagielka
Gary Cahill
Phil Jones
James Milner
Jordan Henderson
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
Theo Walcott
Ashley Young
Andy Carroll
Danny Welbeck
All played for Pearce at U-21 level, all were picked for Euro 2012. At the end of the day, youth cultivation really is the job of the parent club; there's only so much Pearce can do for 10 days every four months and six weeks every other summer. The experience of winning high profile matches is good for developing players, though. I don't think they'd be better served by a manager telling them it's the taking part that counts, as if it's sports day at primary school.
Joe Hart
Jack Butland
Leighton Baines
Glen Johnson
Phil Jagielka
Gary Cahill
Phil Jones
James Milner
Jordan Henderson
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
Theo Walcott
Ashley Young
Andy Carroll
Danny Welbeck
All played for Pearce at U-21 level, all were picked for Euro 2012. At the end of the day, youth cultivation really is the job of the parent club; there's only so much Pearce can do for 10 days every four months and six weeks every other summer. The experience of winning high profile matches is good for developing players, though. I don't think they'd be better served by a manager telling them it's the taking part that counts, as if it's sports day at primary school.
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So development isn't part of Pearce's job? Just the experience of winning 'high profile' matches.
You've taken what i've said out of context with the 'it's the taking part that counts', but fair enough...
I think a good point to make from the current 21's is that people like 22yr old Henderson are included, he's a full international now with 5 caps, him being in there means players like 19yr old Ross Barkley, 18yr old Nick Powell, 20yr old Gary Gardner, just to name a few, are missing out on that experience and development, but someone who's already made the step up, and plays pretty regularly in the Prem, is taking their place. I don't know if all 3 of those are fit or not, they're just quick examples.
I think those 3 would gain much more from that kind of experience than Jordan Henderson. They're the kind of decisions I have issue with, as well as the way Pearce has them playing at tournaments, and his tactics.
So development isn't part of Pearce's job? Just the experience of winning 'high profile' matches.
You've taken what i've said out of context with the 'it's the taking part that counts', but fair enough...
I think a good point to make from the current 21's is that people like 22yr old Henderson are included, he's a full international now with 5 caps, him being in there means players like 19yr old Ross Barkley, 18yr old Nick Powell, 20yr old Gary Gardner, just to name a few, are missing out on that experience and development, but someone who's already made the step up, and plays pretty regularly in the Prem, is taking their place. I don't know if all 3 of those are fit or not, they're just quick examples.
I think those 3 would gain much more from that kind of experience than Jordan Henderson. They're the kind of decisions I have issue with, as well as the way Pearce has them playing at tournaments, and his tactics.