The demise of Premiership clubs in Europe.

Otis Redding

Otis Redding

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DanR said:
Without wishing to be too much of a conspiract theorist, the current entertainment at FIFA and UEFA could potentially open the door for a rival ruling body to be formed, featuring the likes of News Corp in prominent roles. Take the biggest clubs, the best players, turn them into franchises, televise the lot.

Although on a much much smaller scale, think what they did with BDO and PDC darts, and also what Kerry Packer did with cricket in Australia. Won't sell us the current rights, we'll create our own.
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Sadly for football, rather than a conspiracy theory, that seems like a plausible scenario.
 
Barry

Barry

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You need the English Spanish and German FA on board as a minimum. Didn't Spain vote for blatter?
 
DanR

DanR

Steve Chettle
Bill Foster said:
You need the English Spanish and German FA on board as a minimum. Didn't Spain vote for blatter?
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Not if the clubs want to break away from the FA, or can be enticed by money to break away to join a European league, with no right of national FA's to call on their players for internationals. Would Richard Scudamore really stay loyal to the FA if a Euro league was wafted in front of him?

It would take a lot for everything to align in their favour, but it's possible. So far the only reason anyone can give for not starting a rival to FIFA is that unless the entire world joined in, it would be impossible. But what if the world's biggest clubs and media worked together on it?
 
Rigler

Rigler

Jack Burkitt
I reckon the end came for Premiership clubs in Europe when it stopped being called the Premiership 8 years ago.

Not looking too great for Premier League clubs at the moment either.

#Pedantic
 
Ravi

Ravi

Upper Decker
Rigler said:
I reckon the end came for Premiership clubs in Europe when it stopped being called the Premiership 8 years ago.

Not looking too great for Premier League clubs at the moment either.

#Pedantic
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I nearly posted something about the state of rugby in this country, or about Scottish clubs having been poor in Eurpoe for a while but thought better of it.

Damn.
 
Ravi

Ravi

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Otis Redd'un said:
This is a rare occasion where I beg to differ with you Ravi.

I completely understand your implication regarding the futility of complaining about the ever-growing global expansion of the Sky League (which is what the PL is in reality) but, someway or somehow, this nation has to try to reclaim it's football at the top level.

I hope I don't sound jingoistic with that statement because I think it's important that excellent football should be accessible all around the world, even it has to be by way of Murdoch's dishes, but the PL is essentially a global competition that just happens to be played in England....for the present. I truly believe that when Scudamore, inevitably, achieves his desire of "the 39th game", it will be the tip of the iceberg.


*apologies to the OP for going off on a tangent.
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Actually I largely agree with your assessment Otis, and my post was a 'thinking out loud' proposition more than a belief. Overall, I don't believe there is a simple solution, but I've been in favour of placing limits on the number of foreign players as a way of reclaiming the English league as you put it. At the same time I wonder if that's looking at it the wrong way around, and might it be better to focus instead on how to improve the quality of English players so more of them are selected. I may be wrong but it does seem strange that compared to English players there are relatively large numbers of Italian, French, German and Spanish etc players turning out for teams in other countries' leagues.
 
Otis Redding

Otis Redding

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Ravi said:
Actually I largely agree with your assessment Otis, and my post was a 'thinking out loud' proposition more than a belief. Overall, I don't believe there is a simple solution, but I've been in favour of placing limits on the number of foreign players as a way of reclaiming the English league as you put it. At the same time I wonder if that's looking at it the wrong way around, and might it be better to focus instead on how to improve the quality of English players so more of them are selected. I may be wrong but it does seem strange that compared to English players there are relatively large numbers of Italian, French, German and Spanish etc players turning out for teams in other countries' leagues.
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I suspect you're right Ravi, which would suggest that the better, younger players that haven't already been hoovered up by the PL elite aren't deemed good enough to compete in the other European leagues.

I think it's also probably a case that none of those countries have anything approaching the depth of professional club football in this country. A situation which probably explains why there are a relatively large number of foreigners playing in Leagues One and Two.
 
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Francis Benali (on loan)

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Rigler said:
I reckon the end came for Premiership clubs in Europe when it stopped being called the Premiership 8 years ago.

Not looking too great for Premier League clubs at the moment either.

#Pedantic
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Who who had 4:08pm? :)
 
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Francis Benali (on loan)

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Do they really stand in a line as though the national anthems are about to play, and then have to listen to the Champions League music for every match?

And those big flags that Arsenal have waved behind each goal. Awful. £64 the cheapest ticket for this sanitised pseudo elite football bollocks.
 
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Francis Benali (on loan)

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Bayern fans walked in late as some kind of protest at the ticket prices. The Arsenal fans in the stadium applauded.

WHSmiths at the station wanted a quid for a Snickers. I paid it, and then didn't eat it all. Made Smiths look like right mugs.
 
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Barry

Barry

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Francis Benali (on loan) said:
Bayern fans walked in late as some kind of protest at the ticket prices. The Arsenal fans in the stadium applauded.

WHSmiths at the station wanted a quid for a Snickers. I paid it, and then didn't eat it all. Made Smiths look like right mugs.
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You should have flown to a whsmiths in Germany and done it to really teach them a lesson
 
Fitzcarraldo

Fitzcarraldo

Ian Storey-Moore
Francis Benali (on loan) said:
Do they really stand in a line as though the national anthems are about to play, and then have to listen to the Champions League music for every match?

And those big flags that Arsenal have waved behind each goal. Awful. £64 the cheapest ticket for this sanitised pseudo elite football bollocks.
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Was a good game though.
 
888balluk

888balluk

John Robertson
Francis Benali (on loan) said:
Do they really stand in a line as though the national anthems are about to play, and then have to listen to the Champions League music for every match?

And those big flags that Arsenal have waved behind each goal. Awful. £64 the cheapest ticket for this sanitised pseudo elite football bollocks.
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Francis Benali (on loan) said:
Bayern fans walked in late as some kind of protest at the ticket prices. The Arsenal fans in the stadium applauded.

WHSmiths at the station wanted a quid for a Snickers. I paid it, and then didn't eat it all. Made Smiths look like right mugs.
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Very strange

you moan about the price and then moan about the protest

Hi Dad
 
Project Zeus

Project Zeus

Steve Chettle
8balluk said:
Very strange

you moan about the price and then moan about the protest

Hi Dad
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An actual protest would challenge the price in some way (ie not paying), not paying the money then limiting your own return on your purchase by not showing up on time. Hardly going to make Arsenal consider their pricing, is it?
 
888balluk

888balluk

John Robertson
Project Zeus said:
An actual protest would challenge the price in some way (ie not paying), not paying the money then limiting your own return on your purchase by not showing up on time. Hardly going to make Arsenal consider their pricing, is it?
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So what was the point of every team taking them flags with the twenties enough campaign?

The point is, it's a step in the right direction and at least they did something. Very rarely does a movement go straight to the desired out come. It's a gradual process where hopefully what your suggesting will be a reality.
 
Project Zeus

Project Zeus

Steve Chettle
8balluk said:
So what was the point of every team taking them flags with the twenties enough campaign?

The point is, it's a step in the right direction and at least they did something. Very rarely does a movement go straight to the desired out come. It's a gradual process where hopefully what your suggesting will be a reality.
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It is better than nothing, you're right. The Twenties Enough campaign was a direct challenge to the ticket pricing in a way that walking in late to the stadium is not.

The most effective protest with any form of economics is stop paying until the prices adjust accordingly.
 
TheEastIsRed

TheEastIsRed

Jack Armstrong
Responding to an article titled "Cheap seats at the opera cost less than lowest price Premier League tickets" this wag gets post of the week so far :

footballing wag said:
vicwebb 7m ago

Of course the arts are cheaper - fewer prima donna's
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siforest65

Jack Burkitt
It sounds like Anderlecht fans are following in their scummy clubs traditions in the run up to playing Spurs later. A re-run of that UEFA cup final we were cheated out of.
 
DanR

DanR

Steve Chettle
Good on them for booing a piece of music. Just who, apart from a load of money trousering crooks, are they supposed to have offended?
 
valspoodle

valspoodle

Steve Chettle
I tend to agree. If you don't like any entertainment, music, sport or whatever, you are entitled to voice your displeasure in whatever non-violent way you see fit, surely.

If EUFA transgress the European Rules on freedom of expression, will they fine themselves or just go off and, in a FIFA-like way, congratulate themselves on once again doing the wrong thing?
 
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