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The demise of Nottingham Forest

Hermz

Hermz

Jack Burkitt
adam09 said:
And 4-2-3-1 with no width and full backs not pushing on... scarily accurate.
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We have loads of width, Freedman likes his wingers He certainly whored out Antonio enough. And Mendes and Ward/Burke always seem to be told to stay wide.
 
J

Joe Baker's Dog

Grenville Morris
magicwoand said:
'95 for me, we got back in the big time straight after Cloughies relegation, playing great football finishing 3rd then our brilliant match winner was sold for a load of money and we never recovered...

F U Paul Stretford.
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Frank Clark wasted the Collymore money.........I blame him for starting the rot........having said that if we'd have had a proper Chairman/Board during the Cloughie years we might have left a legacy for the future.
 
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stockers

Jack Armstrong
Christ almighty thats depressing isn't it.. Does make me laugh on here when people suggest that we don't have the players at this club.. Good managers can get the best out of average players, bad managers can ruin the best players...
 
Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
stockers said:
Christ almighty thats depressing isn't it.. Does make me laugh on here when people suggest that we don't have the players at this club.. Good managers can get the best out of average players, bad managers can ruin the best players...
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You're not wrong, you're just ignoring the other 20 odd teams who try to stop you play, and some of which have good players and good managers too.

Our current fit squad is average at best compared to others in this league.
 
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RedFaithful

First Team Squad
I think it's quite ironic the majority of posts on here preach how it's all wrong from the bottom up because we change all the time and only the stable clubs do well.

So then what is this period we are currently in? Why is this right now apparently the crumbling of the club?

For me I consider this the first year of a new period. I wouldn't say it matters too much what's happening on the pitch when you just need to let dougie and his staff build something over a 2/3 year period. But you certainly cannot complain about the situation being shitty while complaining about us having no stability at the same time.
 
CaptainBlack

CaptainBlack

Geoff Thomas
Project Zeus said:
Nottingham doesn't have anything on London, Manchester or Liverpool to be a commercial PL powerhouse and draw for players. We were never a club to rule the roost like those clubs you mention do in the modern game. It's about a lot more than when we were relegated, but that sure didn't help. If we weren't relegated then we'd be more like Villa are today than United etc. It's inevitable for a club of our size to yo-yo.
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True. We should at the very least have been yo-yo-ing with the likes of Villa. Following the most successful period in our history there's no way we should've found ourselves in league 1.

An interesting read following our relegation to League 1:


Forest's spectacular fall from grace
By Jonathan Stevenson

Nearly 25 years after being crowned European Champions for the second time in a row, Nottingham Forest have been relegated to the third tier of English football.

Just a quarter of a century has passed since the late, great Brian Clough made the unfashionable City Ground side the finest football team on the continent.

Defeat away at QPR on Saturday consigned the Reds to League One, the first ever European champions to drop so low in their domestic competition.

BBC Sport asks three men who have watched the sad demise how it got so bad, and what the future holds on the banks of the River Trent.
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BryanRoy22

BryanRoy22

Ian Bowyer
adam09 said:
And 4-2-3-1 with no width and full backs not pushing on... scarily accurate.
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Huh? Maybe I'm wrong but for me Lichaj and Pinillos have probably been our best performers this season (along with DvD) and they get forward quite a bit in games. Their energy levels are brilliant.
 
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Trickygaz

Youth Team
Project Zeus said:
Nottingham doesn't have anything on London, Manchester or Liverpool to be a commercial PL powerhouse and draw for players. We were never a club to rule the roost like those clubs you mention do in the modern game. It's about a lot more than when we were relegated, but that sure didn't help. If we weren't relegated then we'd be more like Villa are today than United etc. It's inevitable for a club of our size to yo-yo.
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Similar size clubs are flourishing in th pl,West Ham,Stoke,WBA,LEICESTER even Palace.I agree we couldn't hope to better the clough era but with proper planning & structure we could achieve the pl.Trouble is no one knows what Fawaz's 5year plan is,not even him.
 
adam09

adam09

Super Koopa
BryanRoy22 said:
Huh? Maybe I'm wrong but for me Lichaj and Pinillos have probably been our best performers this season (along with DvD) and they get forward quite a bit in games. Their energy levels are brilliant.
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Didn't say they've been bad did I? Pinillos rarely goes forward at all, Lichaj doesn't enough and we know he can be very good when he does.

And to me, width means going down the line and putting crosses in for your strikers. Our wide players come inside and try and pass it or shoot from 25 yards.
 
BryanRoy

BryanRoy

Stuart Pearce
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Spanish newspaper Marca has today highlighted the number of major clubs from Europe who are currently playing in the second tier of their domestic competitions. With the relegation of Aston Villa and Newcastle United last season they join the likes of Leeds United and Nottingham Forest in the Championship.

Marca have today reported on the decline of clubs in Spain, who in the past years were playing in La Liga, but have since been relegated.



Clubs with European experience like Tenerife, Mallorca, Oviedo, Valladolid, Zaragoza, Levante, Getafe and Rayo Vallecano all find themselves in La Segunda, but Marca have pointed out this is happening all across Europe, and especially in in England.

15 of the 24 teams currently in the Championship have played in European competition, with Aston Villa and Nottingham Forest being the standout examples, after winning the European Cup in the 1970s and 80s.

Clubs like Leeds United and Newcastle United have also had success in Europe in the Europa League (or the competition in a previous incarnation), whilst the latter got to the semi-finals of the Champions League during their time in the Premier League.

Marca feels these are English elite clubs, who have now been replaced by the likes of Bournemouth and Watford in the Premier League due the backing of their owners, whilst a club like Leeds United has suffered with financial issues in recent years.

This trend has also happened all over Europe with 1860 Munich, Kaiserslautern and Stuttgart all now in Bundesliga 2, whilst Stade Reims have dropped out of Ligue 1 in France.

These clubs still carry a great support, and it’s nice to see them getting some recognition in Europe. In our experience the clubs mentioned still generate a huge amount of interest from English football fans, more so than several clubs in the Premier League.
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Just thinking that both 'demise' threads are on teams who are second in their respective leagues, so maybe this one will help our new manager get to where this club should be this season?
 
Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Before today there was no hatred towards the new owners, only optimism and faith.

Now the seeds for hate have been sown.


Truly hope that they pull out some genius appointment which yields a top 6 place to make all this look like an over-reaction.
 
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Senior Flange Technician

Senior Flange Technician

Andy!
Pretty sure there's already one, started in the same hope.......
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Senior Flange Technician

Senior Flange Technician

Andy!
I knew there was one, completely forgot it was me that started it
 
T.B.T.

T.B.T.

Forum Princess
LTLF Minion
Threads merged. I think. I hope. :)
 
Flaggers

Flaggers

May not be the best moderator on LTLF, but he's...
LTLF Minion
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siforest65

Jack Burkitt
Wes' Organ said:
My missus often shows me his tweets and I agree with the majority, he gets football.
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Talented bloke .

Knew he was a red but didn't realise he was a season ticket sufferer ...... sorry holder.

Just read his twitter feed and has some excellent views.
 
Barbus

Barbus

Steve Chettle
Followed him for a long time. Used to see his tweets regularly but that one today was the first time he's popped up in my timeline for ages.

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