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The ‘I have something to say about Forest that doesn’t warrant its own thread’ Thread

Notcher

Notcher

Stuart Pearce
Dogtits said:
christ on a f***ing bike, even my “woke snowflake ass” can’t see the logic behind that statement?


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It's one of the strangest hills to die on I've ever seen and especially when he's a convicted racist. I'm not a Royalist at all, far from it, but you've got to respect a woman that dedicated 70 years of her life to representing a nation impeccably.

Read the room Trev

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Redemption

Redemption

Agenda Benda
I'd this really relevant to Forest?
 
Finding Remo

Finding Remo

The artist formerly known as Forest_1865
Notcher said:
I'd say that's Trevor Sinclair's career gone in a single tweet
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What an ignorant buffoon. So much wrong with that on so many levels. It’s amazing how these idiots on Twatter manage to turn every event into ammunition for their ‘political’ agendas.
 
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Notcher said:
He'll of course fail to mention that in the 1830s Britain used 40% of its budget to buy freedom for slaves in its empire. Something that we continually paid until 2015. He's an ignorant prick
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No it didn't.

It paid an amount approximate to 4% of the budget.

However, that money didn't come from the government coffers. It was borrowed. And when it became due, the governed borrowed more to pay off the first sum. And it kept repeating this until the 1950s when it was subsumed into the government's general borrowing.

The clearance in 2015 was purely an accounting process.

It's only 40% equivalent if you add it up at 1840s prices. But as I'm sure you are aware, government borrowing is always stretched out like this because, when inflation has taken its effect, the cost of the loan is really negligible.

But what you neglect to add is how much economic wealth Britain gained through its it role in 200+ years of the Atlantic Slave trade and the forced movement of 3 million people from Africa to the Americas.

Much of the industrial revolution was funded by the surpluses of slavery.

We could also talk about the families and individuals who received reparations. Many very wealthy people in the Americas and in the UK received that money but not a single slave.
 
Omar Devone Little

Omar Devone Little

Mr Realistic
Slave trade was abhorrent and Britain more than played its part along with lots of other countries and made a lot of monry doing so.

How did the black slaves make it onto the ships though? They weren't queuing up at the port and British sailors weren't traipsing into the interior to fetch them...
 
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Timothy Pope

I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
Redemption said:
But what you neglect to add is how much economic wealth Britain gained through its it role in 200+ years of the Atlantic Slave trade and the forced movement of 3 million people from Africa to the Americas.

Much of the industrial revolution was funded by the surpluses of slavery.

We could also talk about the families and individuals who received reparations. Many very wealthy people in the Americas and in the UK received that money but not a single slave.
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I’m so racked with guilt about that. I know it’s only a word - but sorry
 
Notcher

Notcher

Stuart Pearce
Redemption said:
No it didn't.

It paid an amount approximate to 4% of the budget.

However, that money didn't come from the government coffers. It was borrowed. And when it became due, the governed borrowed more to pay off the first sum. And it kept repeating this until the 1950s when it was subsumed into the government's general borrowing.

The clearance in 2015 was purely an accounting process.

It's only 40% equivalent if you add it up at 1840s prices. But as I'm sure you are aware, government borrowing is always stretched out like this because, when inflation has taken its effect, the cost of the loan is really negligible.

But what you neglect to add is how much economic wealth Britain gained through its it role in 200+ years of the Atlantic Slave trade and the forced movement of 3 million people from Africa to the Americas.

Much of the industrial revolution was funded by the surpluses of slavery.

We could also talk about the families and individuals who received reparations. Many very wealthy people in the Americas and in the UK received that money but not a single slave.
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My point was while what we did was completely abhorrent we were the first country that tried to correct its wrongdoings by freeing slaves and then paying for it over 150 years. We dedicated our naval forces to stopping the export of slaves across the world.

We're not the only country to have benefited in our infrastructure and commerce through slaves, you can get a hell of a lot of roads, railways and buildings built when you don't give a f*** about how many people died constructing them.

If Trevor wants to attempt to make an statements about acts that occured hundreds of years ago he should account for other things too. It's faux outrage, he didn't suffer personally and I don't feel guilt about acts committed generations ago, just as I don't hold any ill feelings towards the German people of today.
 
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Ashley

Ashley

Steve Chettle
Eddie Yates said:
I'm more concerned about the slave trade that is happening today rather than one which was ended 200 years ago

World Cup in Qatar anyone?
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Couldn't agree more. Bugger all we can do about the past, but people dying in the constructing the stadium's in the here and now (as well as that there are horrific human rights issues happening rights now) is something that is actively being supported by the powers that be and its just being sweeped under the carpet.
 
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NFFCMagz

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I wish fowk wuz more like m'sen and didn't discriminate.

I hate fuggin' everyone. Equally.

Dewunt matter to me what colour your skin is or what yer gerrup to in yer bedrrom. I hate all on yer.

Yer a bunch on owd gunts!
 
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stockers

Jack Armstrong
Ashley said:
Couldn't agree more. Bugger all we can do about the past, but people dying in the constructing the stadium's in the here and now (as well as that there are horrific human rights issues happening rights now) is something that is actively being supported by the powers that be and its just being sweeped under the carpet.
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By Trevor Sinclairs beloved Man City.. What does he really want?
 
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Lefkasman said:
Anyone see the programme where Ainsley Harriet found out his great great grand father was a slave trader.
If I was Mr Sinclair I wouldn't dig too deep.

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In Liverpool, which is home to the UKs oldest black population, there is an interesting and sometimes contentious issue about names in the black community.

For people who ha e a direct lineage to Africa, will almost always have sn African family if they no longer have African family names. For those people who's ancestor's arrived here from the Americas, they will mostly have British names.

So while Harriot, may have a name that came via a white ancestor most have those names simply by virtue of ownership, as slaves were registered under the owner's name.

When there's tension between individuals from from bith communities its sometime used as a cuss to say they have a slave name.
 
Finding Remo

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The artist formerly known as Forest_1865
garibaldi said:
If you search #blacktwitter, then you'll see that Sinclair's comment is supported by many.
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By other Twitter racists I’d wager.

What motivation/reason would the Queen have to be racist? Half of the Commonwealth is non-white, she was basically German and PP was Greek. Sinclair and his disciples of hate are as ignorant as they are obtuse.
 
Chappers85

Chappers85

Can't Play Left-Back
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Just seen someone put this old teamsheet from a pre-season friendly from 1994 up on Twitter. Firstly, I'm sure Congo and a few others will join me in disgust at our numbering (Stone 4, Gemmill 6, Stan 9, Webb 10). Secondly, were Orient short of a player so we leant them Colin Cooper? Had no idea that 90s football was so Power League!
 
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