Monkman
Grenville Morris
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Summer 2023 Transfer Window
- Thread starter Morpeth
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Omar, the only balance you add to this forum is to throw the biggest, heaviest weight you can onto the negativity side of the balance and leave it to others to try to balance things on the positive side.
It's sad really.
Some of those things will happen, some won't, but to lump them all together as if they will all happen is what you do.
eyupmeduck
Geoff Thomas
I think we dont know how things will work out because no transfer is 100% guaranteed but if you told me 2 years ago when I was trying to do the mental gymnastics around Drager maybe being a decent player to be bringing in for our championship survival that we'd be debating whether adding.....
A world cup winner
Someone who Bayern bid £70m for
A Champions league winner from Milan
2 Brazilian wonderkids
A Man U youngster pacy Swedish International
2 International goalkeepers
A very promising player stepping UP from Norwich level not down as it would have been then
A player turning down champions league football to play for us
A Brighton target from Bologna
A Nigerian international who plays RB or LB equally well
A young Arsenal player.....
Would represent a good enough window, I would probably be torn between calling for that person to get the help that they clearly needed or given time for the drugs to wear off!
I think personally what it does do is give Cooper the tools to deliver and not be satisfied with just Premier league Survival or low block football.
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A world cup winner
Someone who Bayern bid £70m for
A Champions league winner from Milan
2 Brazilian wonderkids
A Man U youngster pacy Swedish International
2 International goalkeepers
A very promising player stepping UP from Norwich level not down as it would have been then
A player turning down champions league football to play for us
A Brighton target from Bologna
A Nigerian international who plays RB or LB equally well
A young Arsenal player.....
Would represent a good enough window, I would probably be torn between calling for that person to get the help that they clearly needed or given time for the drugs to wear off!
I think personally what it does do is give Cooper the tools to deliver and not be satisfied with just Premier league Survival or low block football.
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vertigored
First Team Squad
We didn’t have a large portion of our starting xi last season, the replacements were ok enough to ensure we stayed up.
We may not have improved our starting xi (we absolutely have just with sangare) but what has happened is that we now have a squad that has the capability to adapt to tactical changes and won’t be just a one trick pony (hopefully) and that if we do lose a key player we aren’t just relying on someone that happened to be in the squad, we now have a squad that has some depth, we lose all the midfielders we’ve signed and we still have the midfield that kept us up last season.
awoniyi gets injured, we have an actual striker who has played and scored at the top levels. Brennan was great but he couldn’t lead the line.
hopefully we won’t have to rely on a defence made up of (great) championship level players.
yes they are all punts but we aren’t top 6… yet.
We may not have improved our starting xi (we absolutely have just with sangare) but what has happened is that we now have a squad that has the capability to adapt to tactical changes and won’t be just a one trick pony (hopefully) and that if we do lose a key player we aren’t just relying on someone that happened to be in the squad, we now have a squad that has some depth, we lose all the midfielders we’ve signed and we still have the midfield that kept us up last season.
awoniyi gets injured, we have an actual striker who has played and scored at the top levels. Brennan was great but he couldn’t lead the line.
hopefully we won’t have to rely on a defence made up of (great) championship level players.
yes they are all punts but we aren’t top 6… yet.
NFFCForeverRed
First Team Squad
A comment on U21 players like the lad from Norwich and also Murillo. They are investments in the future, not necessarily now. It drives me mad when folk think these boys are going to get in ahead of McKenna, Boly and Worrall for example. Have a listen to Coopers most recent interview. He talks about McKenna for quite a while and how he and his team believe there is so much more to come from McKenna. He definitely sounds to me like a player Cooper massively respects.
Some of the U21 talents will go the way of Mbe Soh and Panzo and some will make their gradual way in to the 1st team....it certainly won't happen overnight.
Some of the U21 talents will go the way of Mbe Soh and Panzo and some will make their gradual way in to the 1st team....it certainly won't happen overnight.
Grass
Geoff Thomas
Waking up with morning glory over this Transer window.
We got cover in every position and can also accommodate SC when he needs to change formation.
Getting Sangare and Montiel has to show we are moving up a level
We got cover in every position and can also accommodate SC when he needs to change formation.
Getting Sangare and Montiel has to show we are moving up a level
Rockabilly
GAFF LAD. "Open your knees and feel the breeze"
Cloughie1975
John Robertson
Exactly,FP-it’s about time some feathers were ruffled in the cosy elite of the Premier League.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Crazy times! So lots I called and even more I didn't - thought we'd bring in two keepers, three midfielders and a couple of left backs to oust Toff (may or may not be correct depending on where we see Aina). Also thought Marinakis would take the opportunity to push on while others weren't(? I need to check yesterday's work as I couldn't keep up with ours).
Wasn't ever sure it would be the summer Brennan outgrew us, though very happy Taiwo hasn't yet. Was also convinced Henderson would be back, though appreciate that financially it was lots of eggs in a currently broken basket. Didn't see our number being 14 either, or that we'd have a world cup winner come in on the side we don't need him, or that we'd plan for the future so effectively in some cases - I love the work done at CB.
So - quick overview/snap judgements by position/player:
GK - Turner: already pulled off some big saves - the one with feet Weds was incredible. Looks competent though has a few question marks, namely crosses and kicking (which is fine with his good foot but not so good with his left which he also likes to use when under pressure).
GK - Vlachodimos: know nothing other than what I've heard - sounds similar to what I've just written about Turner really.
CB - Murillo: we'll see, but he comes with limited experience but great references. Looks the part, and great that he has the season to bed in due to his age - don't expect to see too much of him in the short term, long term could be massive.
CB - Omobamidele: no doubt the same folk who loved Bournemouth's work in bringing in Scott will play down this one, but he's the best young British CB out there with the kind of experience he has (50+ games and full international, albeit for poor side). Like this.
LWB - Tavares: looks very strong as an attacking force, not so much defensively. Apparently not first choice (see Jakobs) but the loan to buy means we get to take a proper look at his defensive work. Expect he will frustrate and delight equally - I'll be keeping an eye on Richards progress for Oly in terms of the likelihood of this one converting/being a success.
LWB/RWB/?? - Aina: looks a really good player on early looks - great squad pickup on a free, and one I expect to see off a challenge to earn the shirt longer term.
RWB- Montiel: One for now - will be interesting to see if Serge moves on, but pedigree wise this lad has it. First sight tells me he's small and needs to work with the squad - didn't impose himself too much on his debut but there were glimmers of quality.
CDM: Sangare - we got him! Marquee signing and the one we wanted. I hope that he's good enough to be huge for us, and that he's given time to adapt to the new league and position (not the finished article at CDM) before we make a judgement, because I'm not sure it will involved us playing the more possession based game that some seem to want. Heads will roll if it doesn't work out.
CM: Dominguez - know little other than the decent stats and impressive all action highlight reel. High hopes but we'll see how well he adapts/how much time he gets.
Santos: Possibly a backup in case Sangare didn't get over the line? Great pedigree but young - might see more of him early on if Dani is injured, and think he'll be similar in terms of athleticism/ground eating up/quality/ability in the air!
FWD - Elanga: Pace to burn but doesn't have Brennan's touch and possibly football intelligence. Good early impact though looks raw to me. Should do well provided we keep his confidence up.
FWD - Hudson Odoi: pleased for him to get a proper fresh start under a manager who knows him well. With time I think he'll be a big player for us, and will hopefully link up well with his old teammate MGW. Sky's the limit potential wise - a great calculated gamble.
ST - Origi: hmm - weakest signing of the bunch for me though hopefully we won't see too much of him. I don't see it from his record or earlier performances for Liverpool, but hoping that Cooper knows him well/sees something in him in terms of bringing in those around him that I don't. Low risk at least.
Wood: Will hopefully get us a minimum of four more important goals from the bench.
Roundup:
GK - two good options as opposed to one great option (Navas/Hendo) and someone nobody wants to see.
Defense: excellent forward planning at CB, a battle for the left back spot and a word cup winning right back. (I wish we could have bought his compatriot in on the other side). I'm quite pleased about the attacking focus since if we are moving to wingbacks they will need to push on.
Midfield: The overhaul we needed with a bonus backup. Great work here with any luck.
Attack: question marks over cover for Taiwo in the event he misses a spell. We've replaced BJs pace though the hope is that CHO can thrive here since it's his football intelligence we'll probably need more.
Negatives? As I said yesterday the only sadness really, linking to the BJ departure, is that it feels like the Nottingham link is going. Also there's once more a lot to bed in here, and we'll see where we're at after the Saudi window closes - expect a couple might go.
For me we've bought in the four or five starting quality options we needed while massively strengthening our squad depth. How good a window it eeally is will really be judged on how quickly and we'll Cooper can implement his new system.
Wasn't ever sure it would be the summer Brennan outgrew us, though very happy Taiwo hasn't yet. Was also convinced Henderson would be back, though appreciate that financially it was lots of eggs in a currently broken basket. Didn't see our number being 14 either, or that we'd have a world cup winner come in on the side we don't need him, or that we'd plan for the future so effectively in some cases - I love the work done at CB.
So - quick overview/snap judgements by position/player:
GK - Turner: already pulled off some big saves - the one with feet Weds was incredible. Looks competent though has a few question marks, namely crosses and kicking (which is fine with his good foot but not so good with his left which he also likes to use when under pressure).
GK - Vlachodimos: know nothing other than what I've heard - sounds similar to what I've just written about Turner really.
CB - Murillo: we'll see, but he comes with limited experience but great references. Looks the part, and great that he has the season to bed in due to his age - don't expect to see too much of him in the short term, long term could be massive.
CB - Omobamidele: no doubt the same folk who loved Bournemouth's work in bringing in Scott will play down this one, but he's the best young British CB out there with the kind of experience he has (50+ games and full international, albeit for poor side). Like this.
LWB - Tavares: looks very strong as an attacking force, not so much defensively. Apparently not first choice (see Jakobs) but the loan to buy means we get to take a proper look at his defensive work. Expect he will frustrate and delight equally - I'll be keeping an eye on Richards progress for Oly in terms of the likelihood of this one converting/being a success.
LWB/RWB/?? - Aina: looks a really good player on early looks - great squad pickup on a free, and one I expect to see off a challenge to earn the shirt longer term.
RWB- Montiel: One for now - will be interesting to see if Serge moves on, but pedigree wise this lad has it. First sight tells me he's small and needs to work with the squad - didn't impose himself too much on his debut but there were glimmers of quality.
CDM: Sangare - we got him! Marquee signing and the one we wanted. I hope that he's good enough to be huge for us, and that he's given time to adapt to the new league and position (not the finished article at CDM) before we make a judgement, because I'm not sure it will involved us playing the more possession based game that some seem to want. Heads will roll if it doesn't work out.
CM: Dominguez - know little other than the decent stats and impressive all action highlight reel. High hopes but we'll see how well he adapts/how much time he gets.
Santos: Possibly a backup in case Sangare didn't get over the line? Great pedigree but young - might see more of him early on if Dani is injured, and think he'll be similar in terms of athleticism/ground eating up/quality/ability in the air!
FWD - Elanga: Pace to burn but doesn't have Brennan's touch and possibly football intelligence. Good early impact though looks raw to me. Should do well provided we keep his confidence up.
FWD - Hudson Odoi: pleased for him to get a proper fresh start under a manager who knows him well. With time I think he'll be a big player for us, and will hopefully link up well with his old teammate MGW. Sky's the limit potential wise - a great calculated gamble.
ST - Origi: hmm - weakest signing of the bunch for me though hopefully we won't see too much of him. I don't see it from his record or earlier performances for Liverpool, but hoping that Cooper knows him well/sees something in him in terms of bringing in those around him that I don't. Low risk at least.
Wood: Will hopefully get us a minimum of four more important goals from the bench.
Roundup:
GK - two good options as opposed to one great option (Navas/Hendo) and someone nobody wants to see.
Defense: excellent forward planning at CB, a battle for the left back spot and a word cup winning right back. (I wish we could have bought his compatriot in on the other side). I'm quite pleased about the attacking focus since if we are moving to wingbacks they will need to push on.
Midfield: The overhaul we needed with a bonus backup. Great work here with any luck.
Attack: question marks over cover for Taiwo in the event he misses a spell. We've replaced BJs pace though the hope is that CHO can thrive here since it's his football intelligence we'll probably need more.
Negatives? As I said yesterday the only sadness really, linking to the BJ departure, is that it feels like the Nottingham link is going. Also there's once more a lot to bed in here, and we'll see where we're at after the Saudi window closes - expect a couple might go.
For me we've bought in the four or five starting quality options we needed while massively strengthening our squad depth. How good a window it eeally is will really be judged on how quickly and we'll Cooper can implement his new system.
mysteryduck
First Team Squad
This was a great window.
Have to also give credit to the people sticking to their "actually this is terrible" comedy act. That's dedication.
Have to also give credit to the people sticking to their "actually this is terrible" comedy act. That's dedication.
Monkman
Grenville Morris
Great post, agree with almost everything particularly what you said about Sangare.
Minor point though - Irish isn't British, careful
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Ha, I actually typed English first which would have been even worse!Great post, agree with almost everything particularly what you said about Sangare.
Minor point though - Irish isn't British, careful
NFFCForeverRed
First Team Squad
Omobamidele will only play if we suffer an injury crisis like last year, same goes for Murillo. Have a look at the teams Norwich put out in their league games this season. Omobamidele is a substitute. What makes us think he is better than our seasoned pros ? He is a great signing for the FUTURE. Although he could also go the way of Mbe Soh and Panzo, depends on him.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Agree he's fit the future but it's forward planning to the highest possible level, which is why I like it. There's isn't a better ball playing CB out there at his age/experience.
Also worry about McKenna'a hamstrings which I think will see him soon overtaken by one of the two we've brought in.
NFFCForeverRed
First Team Squad
I can name you a better ball playing CB who is 1 year younger than him. Indeed he plays for Chelsea and England.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Colwill? Fair. Doubt he'd fancy us though!
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
Don’t forget Boly, McKenna, Worrall & Felipe are out of contract next summer - with Murillo & Omobamidele you are future proofing that situation with no immediate pressure.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Think Joe has one agreed. Hope we can more years out of Felipe's knees too!
NFFCForeverRed
First Team Squad
I agree they are investments in the future but i doubt we would not let them be first choice pairing next year or I suspect we would go down. The Club will work hard to renew those contracts for the senior pros or replace them with other senior pros.
That’s a point I’ve been making too in respect of our CBs. Bringing 2 players in, whom currently sit outside the criteria of being counted in the 25 man squad, is fantastic work.
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
You have been creaming yourself over teams like Bournemouth for the entire window, we do the exact same thing (probably better) & you still find every possible complaint you can find.
You have no objectivity in your posts, you just find a trench then sit in it regardless of what actually happens.
The laughable thing is you completely mull over the signing of Sangare like it’s nothing (despite telling us all summer we are wasting our time & we should have signed somebody else you could call a crap signing)
Rockabilly
GAFF LAD. "Open your knees and feel the breeze"
Forest training ground yesterday.
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
I don’t want to be mean but worral and McKenna have been so abject that I don’t see why we can’t put Murillo or Omobamadele in.