Bob Fossil
Nottingham's dirty secret
Good post. I hope you're right.
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Summer 2023 Transfer Window
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Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
Thanks. Me too.
Red Dog in a Forest
Viv Anderson
Team v Newcastle - 1st game of the season 22/23:
Henderson
Worrall Niakhate McKenna
Williams Colback O’Brien Toffolo
Lingard
Johnson Surridge
Subs: Hennessy, Biancone, Soh, Cafu, Hammond, Mangala, Awoniyi, Mighten, Taylor.
• The team that started the season was unrecognisable to the team that ended it. Against Palace we had 3 from the first XI and 3 from the bench. • Probably only eight of those players will be in the 25-man squad in 23/24. Nine including Henderson!
Team v Palace - Last game of the season 22/23:
Hennessy
Worrall Niakhate Boly
Aurier Mangala Yates Lodi
MGW Johnson
Awoniyi
Subs: Shelvey, Toffolo, Freuler, Kouyate, Lingard, Ayew, Dennis, Mighten, Surridge.
• Other than Niakhate (injured…but we have a returning Felipe) and Lodi (wife…but a returning Richards) we could be just as strong as the team that drew at Palace.
Team v Arsenal - 23/24 (presuming no signings or further injuries…both very unlikely):
Shelvey
Worrall Felipe Boly
Williams Yates Danilo Richards
Johnson MGW
Awoniyi
Subs: Bott, McKenna, Aurier, Toffolo, Aguilera, Mangala, Scarpa, Bowler, Dennis.
• We’re going to lose away to Arsenal and Man United no matter who we sign.
• If we got Navas back on a short-term loan and Richards is available then it's pretty much the same team.
• Chelsea have to be better than they were last season, so we’ll likely lose there as well.
• Realistically we have one winnable game vs S. United at home (before the International break - resumes 19/9) - surely the above team beats them?!
I’m glad we’re not just giving in to Man United. It’s far too risky to just give them £15-20m for a player who could get injured. Whether we pay now or before the end of the season as long as it’s the same accounting period then why does it matter?
Anyway...what does the waste of an hour (since we are not signing anyone I have so much more available time than refreshing threads) above prove? It's not that bad.
Rather than think we have until pre-season starts (past) or the Arsenal game, we realistically have until the 18th September when we play Burnley at home.
The team we should have available v Arsenal isn't far off the one that last faced them. I say get Navas in for a loan until just before the transfer window shuts...it's not as if he is going to play at PSG and that way he can still get his move to us or someone else.
Henderson
Worrall Niakhate McKenna
Williams Colback O’Brien Toffolo
Lingard
Johnson Surridge
Subs: Hennessy, Biancone, Soh, Cafu, Hammond, Mangala, Awoniyi, Mighten, Taylor.
• The team that started the season was unrecognisable to the team that ended it. Against Palace we had 3 from the first XI and 3 from the bench. • Probably only eight of those players will be in the 25-man squad in 23/24. Nine including Henderson!
Team v Palace - Last game of the season 22/23:
Hennessy
Worrall Niakhate Boly
Aurier Mangala Yates Lodi
MGW Johnson
Awoniyi
Subs: Shelvey, Toffolo, Freuler, Kouyate, Lingard, Ayew, Dennis, Mighten, Surridge.
• Other than Niakhate (injured…but we have a returning Felipe) and Lodi (wife…but a returning Richards) we could be just as strong as the team that drew at Palace.
Team v Arsenal - 23/24 (presuming no signings or further injuries…both very unlikely):
Shelvey
Worrall Felipe Boly
Williams Yates Danilo Richards
Johnson MGW
Awoniyi
Subs: Bott, McKenna, Aurier, Toffolo, Aguilera, Mangala, Scarpa, Bowler, Dennis.
• We’re going to lose away to Arsenal and Man United no matter who we sign.
• If we got Navas back on a short-term loan and Richards is available then it's pretty much the same team.
• Chelsea have to be better than they were last season, so we’ll likely lose there as well.
• Realistically we have one winnable game vs S. United at home (before the International break - resumes 19/9) - surely the above team beats them?!
I’m glad we’re not just giving in to Man United. It’s far too risky to just give them £15-20m for a player who could get injured. Whether we pay now or before the end of the season as long as it’s the same accounting period then why does it matter?
Anyway...what does the waste of an hour (since we are not signing anyone I have so much more available time than refreshing threads) above prove? It's not that bad.
Rather than think we have until pre-season starts (past) or the Arsenal game, we realistically have until the 18th September when we play Burnley at home.
The team we should have available v Arsenal isn't far off the one that last faced them. I say get Navas in for a loan until just before the transfer window shuts...it's not as if he is going to play at PSG and that way he can still get his move to us or someone else.
GreeksBearingGifts
Stuart Pearce
All fans want their team to be ready by the beginning of preseason. All DoFs like to make business at the end of the football window. It is what it is.
Thomas
Martel Maxwell Enjoyer
Unfortunately my brother it is in the English DNA to moan like f***.
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Cloughie1975
John Robertson
The primary reason that I don’t trust Wilson Otis is his track record at previous clubs-the supporters at
Southampton think he was largely responsible for their demise and our friends north of the border
weren’t sorry to see him go.
Whilst I agree that a lot needs sorting behind the scenes at Forest,a major objective has to be to construct
a squad capable of competing in the top flight from the start of the season-to be left without a top class
goalkeeper this close to the first game smacks of incompetence.
Also,I’m concerned with some of the players we are ‘supposedly’ being linked with-e.g a no mark left
back at Rangers who their fans want to see the back of and a Championship standard striker in
Che Adams (as you say in a later post,the budget may be restricted-presumably
so we don’t break FFP).
Finally,the fact that Wilson is seemingly making little progress in moving the excessive deadwood at
the club is another major concern for me.
I’m extremely worried at this stage.
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Bobby The Brain
Weasel
Nah. Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way.
we have been linked with che adams for quite a while, nothing whatsoever to do with wilson.
Cloughie1975
John Robertson
We’ve also been linked in recent times (since Wilson arrived).
che adams is like the whittingham/pratley rumors of years past, it will turn up at every transfer window.
REDDERS78
Jack Armstrong
Everytime i bump into s Forest fan i know "we need some signings now"
My only issue is intergrating players that have been here 5 minutes like last season, it cost us but we did sign 500 players i guess. Any additions this time be minimal in comparison. We need the right players, not just numbers.
Having said that I would like a signing sooner rather than later.
Cmon big Mara, gerron wi it.
My only issue is intergrating players that have been here 5 minutes like last season, it cost us but we did sign 500 players i guess. Any additions this time be minimal in comparison. We need the right players, not just numbers.
Having said that I would like a signing sooner rather than later.
Cmon big Mara, gerron wi it.
Project Zeus
Steve Chettle
Hennessey is still at the club, isn't he? He'll be number 1 until we sign someone else.
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Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
The window closes September 1st.
Still plenty of time to bring in any number of players.
My concern is that several players are quoted as not being interested in joining Forest.
There is either an industry ill-feeling towards Forest, or a media campaign to “diss” the Club.
It feels to me that “they” have decided Forest will be relegated this season!
Still plenty of time to bring in any number of players.
My concern is that several players are quoted as not being interested in joining Forest.
There is either an industry ill-feeling towards Forest, or a media campaign to “diss” the Club.
It feels to me that “they” have decided Forest will be relegated this season!
Bobby The Brain
Weasel
I think it’s just the result of looking at the next ‘tier‘ of player. Guess they have more options than the players we signed last year.
Grass
Geoff Thomas
As Sam Jackson would say
Tick Tock Motherfucka
Tick Tock Motherfucka
Cloughie1975
John Robertson
I think that’s a good point-it’s difficult to attract better players into a likely relegation struggle (and
it’s questionable whether we could afford them anyway).
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First Team Squad
By who? I’ve just been back through his thread and it was bumped out of the blue and there are no actual links posted on it? Has anyone more recently than 2019 said we are after him?
Samba's Water Bottle
First Team Squad
The whole point of a team bonding trip abroad is to integrate new players, which is especially integral to the Cooper philosophy of us being one family. We instead seem to be integrating deadwood who we'll sell on anyway like Drager, Bowler and Hwang. Can't exactly be brilliant for team spirit, and I can't imagine Cooper is best pleased by that...
Not that we'd know anyway, the only social media time the club give Cooper is the brief post-game interviews. I don't think there's been any photos of him being involved in training etc at all.
Not that we'd know anyway, the only social media time the club give Cooper is the brief post-game interviews. I don't think there's been any photos of him being involved in training etc at all.
HBB
Jack Burkitt
Jesus but anyone who sits at their keyboard just typing "just go and buy them", or throwing in accusations of incompetence, needs to take a step back. Last season's business was very different n nature to this season. Last season was busy but look at what actually happened we had some loanees with likes of Lodi and Navas who for various reasons didn't want or we couldn't structure a deal for a permanent move, Felipe, with the best will in the world. was too old for some of the more established clubs to consider, Aurier had a poor reputation, Boly and Kouyate again too old for many, Williams was seen as not up to the PL standard possibly and then we picked up some from the German market that we wouldn't have faced too much opposition to get and Taiwo may have been an easier buy, as he was formally at Liverpool so potentially not averse to returning to the UK and Richards wanted a return to England. Whether we like it or not we're now in the bracket with the likes of Everton, CP and Bournemouth and previously Leeds and Brentford.
If we follow the MO of the likes of Brentford, Bournemouth and Brighton then its a pattern of buying cheap unknowns and that's risky as a tactic for your second year when you're looking to consolidate and it may be that the big man doesn't want unknowns, he wants players of "known" quality and they are neither cheap nor without plenty of other options at present. If we are after more established players then we're a less attractive than the likes of Villa or even West Ham who have the London factor and if they're coming from a european club then we face the issue of players who prefer the lifestyle they have in said european countries (see Lodi's wife). Lets not forget as well that if you want a player in to replace Freuler, Wood or Shelvey for instance there's other side of the transfer process, the selling, what if they don't get the price you want, what if the player doesn't like the options he's offered. We'll have a list of say 3 A options for a position and 4-5 B's, we may not be able to afford the A option if you don't get X amount for the player leaving, so you move to the B's. All the while you're trying to keep all your targets warm and hearing of the current updates for each player and considering various options in terms or contract structure, duration, sell-on's, wages, relegation clauses etc for each one and if they become non-viable you move on to other options and start it all again. Then maybe the 15m you had set aside for Henderson is now not enough and you have to find another 5 million that means you can no longer afford says, Sangere, without alot more negotiation for a different deal that also needs signing off by the manager or the owner which adds more time ... the you get a whisper that a deal elsewhere may have fallen apart so you start with them .... it's a huge, huge job in a market with so many options and so many variables.
It's noticeable that Villa aside not many of the midtabe PL clubs like Wolves, CP and Fulham have made many signings while Bournemouth are active but haven't bought anyone or note. Italian clubs seem more active this year and there's the Saudi league throwing a huge spanner in the works as well.
Given all that I think this is possibly one of the hardest windows in many, many years for all clubs so I'm not surprised we've seen very little movement and as I've said previously I don't think we'll see much until the final few weeks of the window when "contact" with players and sounding out which is currently the order of the day begins to turn in to more concrete offers and the choices available are whittled down and options become fewer for players.
If we follow the MO of the likes of Brentford, Bournemouth and Brighton then its a pattern of buying cheap unknowns and that's risky as a tactic for your second year when you're looking to consolidate and it may be that the big man doesn't want unknowns, he wants players of "known" quality and they are neither cheap nor without plenty of other options at present. If we are after more established players then we're a less attractive than the likes of Villa or even West Ham who have the London factor and if they're coming from a european club then we face the issue of players who prefer the lifestyle they have in said european countries (see Lodi's wife). Lets not forget as well that if you want a player in to replace Freuler, Wood or Shelvey for instance there's other side of the transfer process, the selling, what if they don't get the price you want, what if the player doesn't like the options he's offered. We'll have a list of say 3 A options for a position and 4-5 B's, we may not be able to afford the A option if you don't get X amount for the player leaving, so you move to the B's. All the while you're trying to keep all your targets warm and hearing of the current updates for each player and considering various options in terms or contract structure, duration, sell-on's, wages, relegation clauses etc for each one and if they become non-viable you move on to other options and start it all again. Then maybe the 15m you had set aside for Henderson is now not enough and you have to find another 5 million that means you can no longer afford says, Sangere, without alot more negotiation for a different deal that also needs signing off by the manager or the owner which adds more time ... the you get a whisper that a deal elsewhere may have fallen apart so you start with them .... it's a huge, huge job in a market with so many options and so many variables.
It's noticeable that Villa aside not many of the midtabe PL clubs like Wolves, CP and Fulham have made many signings while Bournemouth are active but haven't bought anyone or note. Italian clubs seem more active this year and there's the Saudi league throwing a huge spanner in the works as well.
Given all that I think this is possibly one of the hardest windows in many, many years for all clubs so I'm not surprised we've seen very little movement and as I've said previously I don't think we'll see much until the final few weeks of the window when "contact" with players and sounding out which is currently the order of the day begins to turn in to more concrete offers and the choices available are whittled down and options become fewer for players.
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Cloughie1975
John Robertson
I’ve seen various ‘links’ (I can’t recall who from).
They may not be true-but if they are we need better quality (in my opinion).
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First Team Squad
I agree I’d like better but all the transfer rumours seems to be from ourselves repeatedly bumping a thread that has no substance to it!
There are a few transfers that we have been linked with that I think would be great but as none of the sources are from anywhere serious it’s just us building them up and getting pissed off either when they haven’t happened in 3 days or annoyed at the fact they exist in the first place!
the best link we’ve had has been about iheanacho and that was from the same source that told people taiwo had agreed personal terms with us but since that there’s been nothing!
REDDERS78
Jack Armstrong
I'm not sure I agree with that.
I think were a far more attractive proposition than this time last year and I've not heard the media say we will be relegated, not sure what the current odds are but surely its shorter than last year?
The attraction of playing with the like of Jonno, MGW, Danilo and Taiwo will be appealing to a lot of players. Not to mention Coopers reputation with players. I think the problem we are now fishing in a much smaller pond, there's fewer players because we need to add quality I guess.
I don't expect a lot of signings, not sure anybody does but I guess were gonna have to be patient and trust the process. No doubt the higher up you go the harder it is because there's less players of the quality you need.
I'd still like a signing soon though
eyupmeduck
Geoff Thomas
I think you've encapsulated Twitter as well in fairness, pluck a player out of the hat to say that we have an interest maybe even a strong one (Sangare a few days ago, Musah now), get excited and say what a good player and signing they will be for a couple.of days, find out that the player is also wanted by minnows like Milan and other decent teams, player hasn't moved anywhere and certainly not signed for forest within 3 days, then go to town on Forest for not signing them and lacking ambition/being clueless/certs for relegation until the next link comes.
Last season we signed someone somerhing like every 3 days so its not unreasonable to remember that and feel left behind but the reality is that we will probably have to move out more players by some margin to make room in the 25 for new players.
I think we've got 33 players and although Surridge was rumoured to be close, nothing has been confirmed but thats at least 8 to go before you even talk about replacements fro within the 25.
If we want 4 - 6 new players in then in theory we need to remove 12 or 14 players from the books in some way or another.
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Listen 'ere young man
Jack Burkitt
It's Groundhog day!
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