Steve Cooper will always be the MAN!

[Rockabilly]

Agreed-EM is clearly not perfect but were he to sell up I reckon there’s a good chance we would end up
with someone way worse (ask Sheffield Wednesday supporters).

This is my worry too Cloughie.

 

[Shearstone]

I see the concerns but assuming we stay up, which Prem club has owners that don't want to spend?

Everton were fine til the Ukraine war sanctions. Sheffield United are the only badly owned club and they were badly owned before going up.

I don't think we should fear a terrible owner more we should fear an owner who probably owns a nation state that's terrible

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Alf says EM should hand over the running to someone else, like Murphy, and as much as that's a sensible idea it wouldn't work. EM wants to be involved. He's passionate about football, it's clear that Forest is important to him. He wants to be a part of that success and the further removed he becomes the less he's a part of it.

But....he already did it....and it worked?

I don't see it as impossible, because it's already happened. Successfully.

 

[Cloughie1975]

I see the concerns but assuming we stay up, which Prem club has owners that don't want to spend?

Everton were fine til the Ukraine war sanctions. Sheffield United are the only badly owned club and they were badly owned before going up.

I don't think we should fear a terrible owner more we should fear an owner who probably owns a nation state that's terrible

I think the assumption that we stay up is a big one.
I wouldn’t expect to see a queue of suitable owners on Trent Bridge if we drop.

 

['mist rollin in']

Cooper was clearly struggling towards the end and it seemed inevitable that he’d lose his job. However, his replacement doesn’t appear to have the attributes to improve our situation. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with having this opinion. It’s not calling for Cooper to come back, it’s just saying that the club is not a good place to be regardless of the manager.

1. The sporadic transfer policy has damaged us - Sangare is not worth the price tag and we buy players with no plan - Reyna.
2. We can’t defend or attack set pieces - something that can surely be solved on the training ground.
3. Key players appear to pick up too many injuries.

These are all problems that Cooper had and Nuno has adopted them. I can understand why people are frustrated with Nuno, he certainly hasn’t helped himself with some questionable tactics, but he’s operating under a poorly managed football club.

My admiration for Cooper has only increased since he left, the fact that we’ve made no progress since he left, shows how difficult it is to work at this club.

 

[GreeksBearingGifts]

In the interview I mentioned in his thread, Dourekas talked about how attentive to detail and organized Cooper was. At the promotion playoffs, not only he had a mathematician brought in to provide detailed statistics about how every single opponent shoots penalties (hence the infamous bottle with instructions), but he also had very specific instructions about a number of scenarios, including weird details such as where the physio team should be during the break in overtime, exactly where and how the players should during the penalty shootout etc. and had the instructions printed in a small booklet.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

In the interview I mentioned in his thread, Dourekas talked about how attentive to detail and organized Cooper was. At the promotion playoffs, not only he had a mathematician brought in to provide detailed statistics about how every single opponent shoots penalties (hence the infamous bottle with instructions), but he also had very specific instructions about a number of scenarios, including weird details such as where the physio team should be during the break in overtime, exactly where and how the players should during the penalty shootout etc. and had the instructions printed in a small booklet.

Yeah but that's all just trivial shit compared to ambition.

 

[Red Dog in a Forest]

In the interview I mentioned in his thread, Dourekas talked about how attentive to detail and organized Cooper was. At the promotion playoffs, not only he had a mathematician brought in to provide detailed statistics about how every single opponent shoots penalties (hence the infamous bottle with instructions), but he also had very specific instructions about a number of scenarios, including weird details such as where the physio team should be during the break in overtime, exactly where and how the players should during the penalty shootout etc. and had the instructions printed in a small booklet.

That booklet was lost at Stamford Bridge unfortunately. For whatever reasons it all went downhill after that.

Eight points in the next thirteen games…Drawing with Burnley, Brentford and Luton and then losing to Everton. All at home.

Sounds like Cooper liked his stats! I’d definitely rather go to the pub with Cooper than Nuno!!

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

In the interview I mentioned in his thread, Dourekas talked about how attentive to detail and organized Cooper was. At the promotion playoffs, not only he had a mathematician brought in to provide detailed statistics about how every single opponent shoots penalties (hence the infamous bottle with instructions), but he also had very specific instructions about a number of scenarios, including weird details such as where the physio team should be during the break in overtime, exactly where and how the players should during the penalty shootout etc. and had the instructions printed in a small booklet.

Yup. Tbf, it's pretty common knowledge he worked his arse off for us, on and off the pitch. He gave us 150%

I don't see that in Nuno at all. Worst yet is the fact that Marinakis didn't see it in Coops.

 

[Any Time Now]

Yup. Tbf, it's pretty common knowledge he worked his arse off for us, on and off the pitch. He gave us 150%

I don't see that in Nuno at all. Worst yet is the fact that Marinakis didn't see it in Coops.

Marinakis did see it in Cooper but Cooper made the mistake of being adored by everyone at the club much to the disliking of those at the top. Why let the coach take the spotlight if you can easily replace him with someone that stays quiet in their little box and can definitely improve this limited bunch of players? Right?

 

[Studdenzi]

One question about Cooper. Did he ever make a statement through the LMA? Can remember the really classy one Sabri made after he left. But nothing from Coops? A little strange or maybe he’s been bound to silence in the terms of his departure?

 

[DizzyBala]

I don't think he did make a statement and honestly, the club didn't really make much of one either. Same thing for Gary Brazil when they f**ked him off in the summer without so much as a f*** you.

From the outside, he's not going to do anything that is going to negatively impact the club. From what I was told, he spoke to the team and wished them well. Spoke to the higher ups and parted amicably. You've got to believe though that given everything that we'd done together, he was f***ing gutted by it.

What I actually resent is that, it doesn't feel like he actually had all the support necessary to succeed and that even after Leeds last year when he was referred to as a dead man walking, Marinakis was looking to make a change. They had a really weird exchange after the Arsenal game and I remember people speaking about it. Leeds enquired about him in the summer, for instance and those behind the scenes couldn't understand why fans were so Pro-Cooper but didn't have the same enthusiasm for Marinakis.

Yeah, EM gave him time but Cooper bought that time with the currency from the Playoff win. He survived Leicester because to a man, we stayed loyal to him. He survived Leeds because there wasn't anyone else Marinakis fancied. Then from the Brighton game, we finished the season really strongly. This season, it felt like after Fulham it was inevitable as fans then started to lose faith. We were flirting with other managers during December and that ended up being that, we sacked him shortly before Christmas.

For me, I don't see much difference in quality between him and Nuno. Nuno has more experience, but it's not really experience at clubs under siege. People say that things wouldn't have improved under Cooper, which is crazy to me because both times we were in the shit last year and it looked bleak, he rallied and turned it around, the experience was there. Around the WC and the final few weeks of last season, we were on fire.

I think had the FFP stuff come under Coops, he'd have weaponised it to stick together and get us out of the shit. Right now, we have a manager we as fans have no real relationship with, a team of players we don't like and the board seem to be doing everything they can to irritate us including flirting with moving the stadium. Like do we really need to be having THAT conversation, now of all times?

 

[Haych]

One question about Cooper. Did he ever make a statement through the LMA? Can remember the really classy one Sabri made after he left. But nothing from Coops? A little strange or maybe he’s been bound to silence in the terms of his departure?

He probably signed a NDA when leaving to stop writing an 6 part book on his team here.

 

[valspoodle]

Coops left some time ago. He's not manager here any more.

 

[rockhopper]

Coops left some time ago. He's not manager here any more.

Yep, very tiresome, some folk just can't move on. Coops was taking us in one direction only at the end, Nuno may or may not be the right man for us but doesn't mean we should keep harping back to coops, just means we possibly didn't pick the right replacement.

We all loved coops for the man he was, his achievement, and the way he endeared himself to the fan base, but all good things come to an end.

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[Redemption]

We harped on about Billy Davies for a decade. Get used to it.

 

[glosterred]

We harped on about Billy Davies for a decade. Get used to it.

Absolutely - and that was only because it took 10 years (or whatever it was) to find a replacement capable of returning us to the dizzy heights of the play offs.

 

['mist rollin in']

Yep, very tiresome, some folk just can't move on. Coops was taking us in one direction only at the end, Nuno may or may not be the right man for us but doesn't mean we should keep harping back to coops, just means we possibly didn't pick the right replacement.

We all loved coops for the man he was, his achievement, and the way he endeared himself to the fan base, but all good things come to an end.

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I think most people have moved on, although there are still some pining for his return. I think what some fans are struggling with, is that they've not seen sufficient improvement since Cooper left. Putting the FFP breach to one side, we're sitting 3 points above 18th place after 3 months with Nuno. I want Nuno to succeed, he comes across as a likable character, however I don't think this was part of the plan when he was appointed.

 

[Monkman]

What I'm struggling with on the forum at the moment is that there seems to be a core of established regular posters and moderators that are taking a very "We told you so" attitude - almost to the point of gloating - to our current predicament (one even admitted to Schadenfreude). Which would be fine if the majority (or even a significant minority) of the forum had been in favour of getting rid of Cooper - but that's not how I remember it at all. I'm pretty sure most of us wanted him to stay, even beyond the point where it felt inevitable which I suppose was the Fulham game. There were only a very few dissenting voices that wanted him out unequivocally at any point.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

What I'm struggling with on the forum at the moment is that there seems to be a core of established regular posters and moderators that are taking a very "We told you so" attitude - almost to the point of gloating - to our current predicament (one even admitted to Schadenfreude). Which would be fine if the majority (or even a significant minority) of the forum had been in favour of getting rid of Cooper - but that's not how I remember it at all. I'm pretty sure most of us wanted him to stay, even beyond the point where it felt inevitable which I suppose was the Fulham game. There were only a very few dissenting voices that wanted him out unequivocally at any point.

To be clear my schadenfreude is only directed at those who were vocal for Cooper's removal, not us in general.

Edit: Also directed at Marinakis. In fact, mainly directed at him.

 

[Monkman]

To be clear my schadenfreude is only directed at those who were vocal for Cooper's removal, not us in general.

Edit: Also directed at Marinakis. In fact, mainly directed at him.

My point though is that there were very, very few of those people on here (and probably the most vocal one doesn't post any more), so the hectoring from some feels misplaced. The vast majority of us miss Cooper and wanted him to be given more time, but he doesn't need to be dragged into every conversation.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

My point though is that there were very, very few of those people on here (and probably the most vocal one doesn't post any more), so the hectoring from some feels misplaced. The vast majority of us miss Cooper and wanted him to be given more time, but he doesn't need to be dragged into every conversation.

He hasn't been.

His thread was quiet as anything until the last two weeks as the majority of people, although they felt it was the wrong decision, wanted to give Nuno the chance to make his mark on the side.

People are now pining for Cooper again not just because our form hasn't improved, but because the realisation is dawning that the emotional connection with the management/players and pride in NFFC has completely gone.

As someone said elsewhere, from plucky underdogs to unlikeable mercenaries in 18 months. Nuno might not be one himself, but that's the representation he'll have to accept given the scenario in which he has taken over.

 

[rockhopper]

We harped on about Billy Davies for a decade. Get used to it.

Some still are

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[Monkman]

He hasn't been.

His thread was quiet as anything until the last two weeks as the majority of people, although they felt it was the wrong decision, wanted to give Nuno the chance to make his mark on the side.

People are now pining for Cooper again not just because our form hasn't improved, but because the realisation is dawning that the emotional connection with the management/players and pride in NFFC has completely gone.

You're either forgetful or being disingenuous if you think Cooper is only mentioned in this thread.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

You're either forgetful or being disingenuous if you think Cooper is only mentioned in this thread.

It's mid-march, four months since he was sacked.

How many times has a long discussion about him happened apart from in the past two weeks? Once? Twice?

It's nothing like the Sean O'Driscoll sacking when the forum were enraged for weeks after.