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STAYED up!

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Cloughie1975

John Robertson
Chappers85 said:
Interestingly, the current bottom 6 in the Premier League are the 6 most recently promoted teams. Weird, huh? It's almost like the Premier League is really difficult and full of established sides, and newly promoted teams can take several seasons of struggle to acclimatise and be truly competitive.
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I think that’s a really good point,Chappers.
I don’t think we’re that far away-but it’s frustrating that we get into some good positions away
from home (e.g Manchester United and yesterday) and not gain some reward.At least we look
far more competitive on the road than this time last year.
I hope our impressive home record holds up while we try and rectify our away results against
very stiff competition.
 
congo_red_49

congo_red_49

Ale Ape
Has any non-parachute payment backed newly promoted club managed to stay up without yoyoing back and forth in the Premier League era?
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
congo_red said:
Has any non-parachute payment backed newly promoted club managed to stay up without yoyoing back and forth in the Premier League era?
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Quite a few actually. Brighton, Brentford, Wolves & Palace. Leicester, Southampton didn't yo-yo but could fall into that trap now. Lots that have established themselves but never came back like Stoke, Swansea, Wigan, Watford.

There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
congo_red said:
Has any non-parachute payment backed newly promoted club managed to stay up without yoyoing back and forth in the Premier League era?
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Hull and Bradford stayed up in their first seasons too I think.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Rzar said:
Quite a few actually. Brighton, Brentford, Wolves & Palace. Leicester, Southampton didn't yo-yo but could fall into that trap now. Lots that have established themselves but never came back like Stoke, Swansea, Wigan.

There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it.
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Palace were founder PL members in 92 before going down and back up with us (and Leics went up that year too), Palace and Leicester went down in 94-5 while we came 3rd and went down 2 years later (think Derby and Leicester both went up the season before we went down under Psycho).

I'd certainly say they were both yo-yo clubs in the PL era, though Leics went up after a few years in 2014, stayed up and won the league the year after and only last season ended that run in the PL. Palace have been about 9-10 years I think since their last promotion.

Southampton were PL founder members too, got relegated, went down to L1 and then worked back up, again until last season, which isn't a particular yo-yo. Wolves also went down twice since first going up.

If we're looking at sides who have gone up to the PL and either stayed there without going down, it's just Brighton and Brentford. Ones who've managed just one spell in the PL are the likes of Stoke, Swansea, Wigan, Hull, Bradford (for longer than a relegation season). Then there's the likes of Newcastle, Villa, Southampton, Wolves, Middlesbrough, West Ham Man City, who have had a couple of "bounces".

And the sides who've been in the PL every season - Man U, Spurs, Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Chelsea
 
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Beasty

Rice 34
I'd probably put Palace in with Brighton and Brentford, obviously they've been in the Prem before but just about long enough to discount it.

Palace have come close to relegation a couple times but to their credit have always avoided it.

It certainly seems to be the exception rather than the rule!

The gap between the established prem and championship is an absolute chasm and seems to be getting wider, no doubt about it.
 
Robert Learnshaw

Robert Learnshaw

COYR
A little while away but the next gameweek will be interesting, decent chance for those around the bottom to pick up points:
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Omar Devone Little

Omar Devone Little

Mr Realistic
Cloughie1975 said:
Sky bet don’t think Forest are in serious trouble at the moment.Relegation odds-

Sheffield United-1/7
Luton-1/6
Burnley-4/7
Bournemouth-9/4
Fulham-6/1
Forest-6/1
Everton-6/1
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Seems about right although Luton seem to have a bit more fight about them than Burnley. I suppose it's a case of how long will the fight last for if it's clear they're going down.
 
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.

Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.

Fulchester United
Be interesting to see what happens when someone (eventually) strings two wins together.
 
Robert Learnshaw

Robert Learnshaw

COYR
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD. said:
Be interesting to see what happens when someone (eventually) strings two wins together.
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That's the thing with the bottom end isn't it,

I remember last season in the run-in, you keep thinking "oh well X team is only 1/2 wins away from catching us" when everyone hardly wins a game down there and when they do it's a pretty big thing. I'm still a bit conditioned to the championship to be honest where a 9 point gap can be overcome pretty quickly but a 9 point gap is far more significant in the PL.
 
Redemption

Redemption

One less gobshite...
Robert Learnshaw said:
a 9 point gap can be overcome pretty quickly but a 9 point gap is far more significant in the PL.
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Palace finished 7pts and 6 places higher than us, 2 wins and a draw.

But they were 7pts and just one place behind Fulham.

That's the difference a couple of extra wins and draw gets you in the EPL. But as you say, much easier to do in the Championship.

The big point I kept labouring last season, and it remains pertinent this season too is that putting a streak together is hard. Something is always there to knock you off your stride.
 
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Harry1982

Grenville Morris
Chappers85 said:
Interestingly, the current bottom 6 in the Premier League are the 6 most recently promoted teams. Weird, huh? It's almost like the Premier League is really difficult and full of established sides, and newly promoted teams can take several seasons of struggle to acclimatise and be truly competitive.
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Totally agree, even villa took a couple of season to acclimatise. They also had greanlish, mcginn, matinez and Watkins in the side.
 
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Cloughie1975

John Robertson
Redemption said:
Palace finished 7pts and 6 places higher than us, 2 wins and a draw.

But they were 7pts and just one place behind Fulham.

That's the difference a couple of extra wins and draw gets you in the EPL. But as you say, much easier to do in the Championship.

The big point I kept labouring last season, and it remains pertinent this season too is that putting a streak together is hard. Something is always there to knock you off your stride.
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Although we had 2 really good runs last season-11 points from 5 games in the new year
and 11 points from the final 6 matches.These 2 runs effectively kept us up.
We could do with a similar run up to Christmas-although (as you say) it’s difficult.
 
congo_red_49

congo_red_49

Ale Ape
Anyone for a quite shocking stat?

Derby County's record breakingly bad team of 2007-08 won 6 points from their opening 12 games.
That's the same as Luton have managed so far in the opening 12 games of this season, Sheffield United (5), Burnley (4) and now Everton (4) after their deduction are currently trailing the worst team of all time's seemingly unbeatable record.
 
Morpeth

Morpeth

John Robertson
congo_red said:
Anyone for a quite shocking stat?

Derby County's record breakingly bad team of 2007-08 won 6 points from their opening 12 games.
That's the same as Luton have managed so far in the opening 12 games of this season, Sheffield United (5), Burnley (4) and now Everton (4) after their deduction are currently trailing the worst team of all time's seemingly unbeatable record.
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All that says to me is that they were pitiful in the rest of the season. 5 points from 28 games!
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
congo_red said:
Anyone for a quite shocking stat?

Derby County's record breakingly bad team of 2007-08 won 6 points from their opening 12 games.
That's the same as Luton have managed so far in the opening 12 games of this season, Sheffield United (5), Burnley (4) and now Everton (4) after their deduction are currently trailing the worst team of all time's seemingly unbeatable record.
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Shouldn't have sacked owd Billeh.

#unfinishebusiness
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Listen 'ere young man said:
How much did Sheff U muster in the first 12 matches in their last relegation season? Remember it was a very poor start.

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2 points from their opening 17 games before they cobbled together some results.
 
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