Standard of Referees (Sponsored by Steven Reid)

[Gyros Peter]

You work off the assumption, like many in here, that the referee is the enemy. And yes, I know, that will never change. And you also work off the assumption that anyone who yells at a referee is correct in doing so. Curiously, most of the best coaches in this city do not yell at referees. They talk to them when they are missing the boat. Anyhow, I wouldn't term how I referee as f***ing up so much as acknowledging that mistakes will be made every single game I referee. It's the nature of the position. Players do not play perfect balls, nor do they make perfect decisions, every single time. Coaches get tactics wrong, get substitutions wrong, try to motivate players wrong. Why? I believe it is part of being a human being. Something to ponder. As I have said many a time, if you think you can be a better referee than this guy or that guy, go take a course and prove it.

And as I have said, if I know the rules as a layman a professional referee certainly should.

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

You work off the assumption, like many in here, that the referee is the enemy. And yes, I know, that will never change. And you also work off the assumption that anyone who yells at a referee is correct in doing so. Curiously, most of the best coaches in this city do not yell at referees. They talk to them when they are missing the boat. Anyhow, I wouldn't term how I referee as f***ing up so much as acknowledging that mistakes will be made every single game I referee. It's the nature of the position. Players do not play perfect balls, nor do they make perfect decisions, every single time. Coaches get tactics wrong, get substitutions wrong, try to motivate players wrong. Why? I believe it is part of being a human being. Something to ponder. As I have said many a time, if you think you can be a better referee than this guy or that guy, go take a course and prove it.

I'm pretty sure Reid was only talking to the ref, there was no shouting. And I'm sure he was pointing out how the ref had missed the boat. Sounds like you're in agreement with his approach.

 

[PynchonForest]

I think it's possible to make a distinction between "making a mistake" in the general context of refereeing, and failing or refusing (as he was warned by hos colleagues, I understand) to apply the laws of the game at a dead ball sittuation in this case.

It's a bit like a ref seeing a penalty offence, blowing the whistle, signalling for a penalty, doing all the pre-penalty things, putting the ball on the spot, and then letting the defending team take the kick.

Well, that is one specific instance. And I honestly have no idea why Tierney did that. It's not like referees in football are the only ones who have a strong level of vitriol leveled at them every game. Hockey is king in Edmonton and when they Oilers lose 80% of the time the referee is the culprit. Maybe 90%. American eggball ditto. Even baseball. There seems to be a pattern.

 

[Gyros Peter]

Well, that is one specific instance. And I honestly have no idea why Tierney did that. It's not like referees in football are the only ones who have a strong level of vitriol leveled at them every game. Hockey is king in Edmonton and when they Oilers lose 80% of the time the referee is the culprit. Maybe 90%. American eggball ditto. Even baseball. There seems to be a pattern.

Not directly related to this post, but it's also not like referees are the only profession where their decisions are questioned because of a basic knowledge.

Spare a thought for teachers (every one is an expert because they've been to school), doctors, nurses, coppers etc (for similar reasons).

While I agree with the sentiment to a point, the idea that referees shouldn't be criticised (I'm not sure if that's quite what you were saying earlier?) without doing that job runs throughout society really.

 

[PynchonForest]

I'm pretty sure Reid was only talking to the ref, there was no shouting. And I'm sure he was pointing out how the ref had missed the boat. Sounds like you're in agreement with his approach.

I have no idea what Reid said or how he said it. I wasn't there. But I red carded an Irish fella about five years ago and he called me a "f***ing ****" eight times, and anyone within earshot heard it. So it ended up on my report eight times. You say something quietly to me and I ignore it , unless it is very personal (about my family or something like that). I've ignored countless comments over the years. But if the comment is public (aka others can hear it) then I usually deal with it. The odd time, in a heated moment, I will choose to ignore a comment that has gone over the line. As a referee you have to do this.

 

[PynchonForest]

Not directly related to this post, but it's also not like referees are the only profession where their decisions are questioned because of a basic knowledge.

Spare a thought for teachers (every one is an expert because they've been to school), doctors, nurses, coppers etc (for similar reasons).

While I agree with the sentiment to a point, the idea that referees shouldn't be criticised (I'm not sure if that's quite what you were saying earlier?) without doing that job runs throughout society really.

Oh for sure. But I don't' see people yelling at teachers often (and I know plenty of teachers). My referee assignor is a school principal. One of my best referee friends here is a principal, and I've asked them how they deal with unruly parents. If a parent goes off on a teacher the way fans go off on referees then that kid will probably be in a new school shortly. Cops, yeah, they take a lot of heat. Doctors? You try yelling at a doc and then going back to see him again. Not certain about over there, but over here you'd be barred from the facility permanently. I'm not saying refs should be treated in the same manner as doctors and teachers. But there is a differentiation.

 

[congo_red_49]

I have no idea what Reid said or how he said it. I wasn't there. But I red carded an Irish fella about five years ago and he called me a "f***ing ****" eight times, and anyone within earshot heard it. So it ended up on my report eight times. You say something quietly to me and I ignore it , unless it is very personal (about my family or something like that). I've ignored countless comments over the years. But if the comment is public (aka others can hear it) then I usually deal with it. The odd time, in a heated moment, I will choose to ignore a comment that has gone over the line. As a referee you have to do this.

I think the Reid situation comes from a long history of frustration that we've had with refs - and them specifically not wanting to talk quietly about things. I remember there were times when Cooper specifically mentioned that he asked to talk to refs after the game about certain decisions and was told specifically that they didn't want to talk.

 

[Gyros Peter]

Oh for sure. But I don't' see people yelling at teachers often (and I know plenty of teachers). My referee assignor is a school principal. One of my best referee friends here is a principal, and I've asked them how they deal with unruly parents. If a parent goes off on a teacher the way fans go off on referees then that kid will probably be in a new school shortly. Cops, yeah, they take a lot of heat. Doctors? You try yelling at a doc and then going back to see him again. Not certain about over there, but over here you'd be barred from the facility permanently. I'm not saying refs should be treated in the same manner as doctors and teachers. But there is a differentiation.

Well, without going into to much info and not at all wanting to patronise, all I'll say is that things must be much better over there - there's a reason all public service places have signs up saying abuse will not be tolerated here, and teachers/heads are very much being shouted at (abused and harassed too. New laws being put in place/suggested -forget which- to combat). I don't think there's quite as much differentiation over here (admittedly more so in certain parts, but it's become far more widely spread post pandemic).

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Well, without going into to much info and not at all wanting to patronise, all I'll say is that things must be much better over there - there's a reason all public service places have signs up saying abuse will not be tolerated here.

My wife celebrates if she can get through a week without calling the police to her department.

 

[Rubics]

We‘ve had some shockers this season, but thought he was good last night.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Well, without going into to much info and not at all wanting to patronise, all I'll say is that things must be much better over there - there's a reason all public service places have signs up saying abuse will not be tolerated here, and teachers/heads are very much being shouted at (abused and harassed too. New laws being put in place/suggested -forget which- to combat). I don't think there's quite as much differentiation over here (admittedly more so in certain parts, but it's become far more widely spread post pandemic).

My wife is a nurse and some of the filth and abuse she gets from people she is trying her best to help is disgraceful

 

[Gyros Peter]

My wife is a nurse and some of the filth and abuse she gets from people she is trying her best to help is disgraceful

Mate of mine is a paramedic - regular assaults in that profession, never mind the verbals. Crazy.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Mate of mine is a paramedic - regular assaults in that profession, never mind the verbals. Crazy.

Yeah it's absolutely shocking the way some people carry on

 

[adam09]

A few times I did think we were trying to buy an easy foul and he wasn’t having it. Sometimes he was probably a bit too soft as I thought a few were fouls, or are we just conditioned to them being fouls?

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How many 'soft' fouls did Palace get the other day? Whenever their defenders were in trouble they just chucked themselves over and Kavanagh couldn't wait to get them a free kick.

Then you see the penalties Chelsea and Newcastle got.

Nobody knows what is and isn't a foul anymore. Jumping on the floor after any contact is not deemed diving so there is no punishment.

I think it's getting worse again. There's no deterrent at all so players just try anything. Like I've said before, we've been very naive in the past. Seems like we're starting to shithouse a bit more ourselves lately. It's not purist but it's the game these days.

 

[Timothy Pope]

You work off the assumption, like many in here, that the referee is the enemy. And yes, I know, that will never change. And you also work off the assumption that anyone who yells at a referee is correct in doing so. Curiously, most of the best coaches in this city do not yell at referees. They talk to them when they are missing the boat. Anyhow, I wouldn't term how I referee as f***ing up so much as acknowledging that mistakes will be made every single game I referee. It's the nature of the position. Players do not play perfect balls, nor do they make perfect decisions, every single time. Coaches get tactics wrong, get substitutions wrong, try to motivate players wrong. Why? I believe it is part of being a human being. Something to ponder. As I have said many a time, if you think you can be a better referee than this guy or that guy, go take a course and prove it.

Assume makes an ass out of U and Me…

Referees this season have made themselves the enemy with their absolutely blatant errors. Now I can forgive any error made with the speed of the game - things can look differently from different angles, different speeds and also players try to con the referee - but this is where VAR is supposed to help the referee. Unfortunately, VAR is being used to back up the referee - whether he/she has made an error or not.
What I can’t forgive is errors in applying the rules. Tierney didn’t apply the rule and should have had some form of consequence for doing so.
No. I don’t believe or condone anyone abusing the referee. But can understand the frustration that drove Reid to question the referee at the final whistle - particularly as the incident was still fresh and cost Forest at least a point.

 

[Erik]

I'd give him an "acceptable" personally.

High praise indeed.

 

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

My wife is a nurse and some of the filth and abuse she gets from people she is trying her best to help is disgraceful

I have no idea how front line NHS staff do what they do.

I hope they all sleep well at night knowing they are good people.

 

[Strummer]

*Sigh*

Here we go again!

 

[GOBIAS]

Same old top 6 bias. The shocking challenge on CHO summed it for me. Either side of us picking up cheap yellows.

Why did they look at the Danilo challenge where he just kicked the ball away as a possible red and didn’t look at the CHO which wasn’t even given as a yellow.

 

[Listen 'ere young man]

Same old top 6 bias. The shocking challenge on CHO summed it for me. Either side of us picking up cheap yellows.

Why did they look at the Danilo challenge where he just kicked the ball away as a possible red and didn’t look at the CHO which wasn’t even given as a yellow.

A rhetorical question, I am assuming?

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[Erik]

Let's be blunt here.

Today's game turned on that Maddison punch. A clear red card.

You could see every Forest players head drop a little and see them think 'here we go again'.

They shouldn't, but they are human, and they have been fighting decisions for too long now, it's worn them down.

 

[GOBIAS]

Let's be blunt here.

Today's game turned on that Maddison punch. A clear red card.

You could see every Forest players head drop a little and see them think 'here we go again'.

They shouldn't, but they are human, and they have been fighting decisions for too long now, it's worn them down.

Every game you play and by watching top teams as well you can see the difference in refereeing those teams. The standard of penalties, the way they get VAR’d, the standard of bookings, the time added. It f***ing stinks. We’d have lost this game anyway as we aren’t good enough. But I’m so sick of these corrupt *****, because that is what they are.

 

[adam09]

Not even booking Porro for standing on CHO's ankle let alone looking at it for a potential red was poor, considering they booked and looked at Danilo catching someone after passing the bloody ball.

f*** knows about the punch - would love to hear the audio. Presume they think it's too little force, in which case let's allow just do it and use this as clear evidence it's absolutely fine to do.

 

[Gyros Peter]

Not even booking Porro for standing on CHO's ankle let alone looking at it for a potential red was poor, considering they booked and looked at Danilo catching someone after passing the bloody ball.

f*** knows about the punch - would love to hear the audio. Presume they think it's too little force, in which case let's allow just do it and use this as clear evidence it's absolutely fine to do.

The Danilo thing had me screaming - double standards.

 

[Chappers85]

Just no words at this point. It can’t just be incompetence. This must be what going mad feels like.