Philippe Montanier

[Dr Sheldon Cooper]

Re: Philippe Montanier - Raisons de se Réjouir!

Odd that they said it was spoke about at half time. It "sounded" terrible but may have been planned. We need a fit f***ing Left back

Less they more he (Montanier).

If "they talked about it at half time" the questions I have are:-

- why did Dumitru start the second half? He was obviously both not sticking to the game plan (assuming there was one), out of position thinking he was a striker leaving Cash exposed.
- why wasn't the formation switched at the start of the second half?
- were they trying to confuse Wigan by sticking to the same failed tactics, inept formation and incompetent personnel that had performed so dismally in the first half?
- why didn't they do anything at half time?

 

[JordanForest]

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My mate's missus is friends with Eric's missus. According to Mrs Lichaij, for weeks now Eric goes home after traing sessions and games in the foulest of tempers because so many of his team mates are, in his opinion , taking the piss.

Pm lost the players?

 

[Dr Sheldon Cooper]

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Why do those that hate Billy Davies hate him? Personally i couldnt give a toss if he is a poisonous dwarf, he made Forest a consistently good team. He saved us from relegation, two consecutive playoff appearences and then sacked 7th in the league with a fit starting 11 that would struggle to compete with a Montainer side.
It is highly unlikely that he will ever return and i am not asking that he does but to be completely against the idea is bizarre.

I think the problem with Billy mkII was that he was shall we say "uncontrolled" by Fawaz with his matey attitude and his lack of club structure. For all their faults Doughty and Arthur had a structure in place so their was none of that sillyness with his cousin running the place etc, only talking to Natalie, shouting at photographers etc.

 

[Redemption]

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Let's do a great big ouigi session and get the great Brian Clough back.

Insanity? Ffs.

 

[Captain Sinister]

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Pm lost the players?

He can't see the Forest for the Trees...

 

[Barbus]

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Pm lost the players?

lol d'ya think?

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

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I think the problem with Billy mkII was that he was shall we say "uncontrolled" by Fawaz with his matey attitude and his lack of club structure. For all their faults Doughty and Arthur had a structure in place so their was none of that sillyness with his cousin running the place etc, only talking to Natalie, shouting at photographers etc.

The problem was the pressure created by all parties, Billy included.

The sad thing is the blinkered views that ridiculously blame Billy for everything, and fail to acknowledge the part Fawaz, the media, and self-harming fans hell bent on upsetting everything played in it all.

Billy, SOD, Pearce, Clough, Clark etc. - who's here needs to be good, but even if they are brilliant it won't matter until the club can stop getting caught up with all the pressure created by such parties, fannying out and imploding.

Also the fact that people can't acknowledge Billy is as good a manager as we can get harms us too, as we create fantasy after fantasy that other managers like Cotterill & Dougie are better and cahse out tails wasting time on them too.

I'd just like a good manager who plays decent football and has us competitive so that I can enjoy 90 min out with mates. I couldn't care less who does that, be it Billy, Monty, Yoda, Angus Young, Dennis Waterman, The Queen, Jack Frost, Machette, Skeletor, Dr Quinn Medicine Woman, Bea Smith, Brian Rice or Jesus.

 

[Raymondo Ponte']

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I wanted him to have this season and next if only to try the one thing we haven't tried - Manager longevity.

But imo, he showed weakness/naivety yesterday I haven't seen or heard about in my footballing lifetime.

It's a bloody crying shame.

 

[Strummer]

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Mate, even Jesus would struggle with this squad, and he IS a miracle worker.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

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I get the impression the fall out from all this is going to be a full on player revolt.

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[Sabri Natenagewitch]

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He can't do much about the ability of players, but he sure as hell can do something about the application shown on the pitch. Should have played as much youth as possible yesterday, yes it has risks, but this lot need a kick to the stiffs.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

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He can't do much about the ability of players, but he sure as hell can do something about the application shown on the pitch. Should have played as much youth as possible yesterday, yes it has risks, but this lot need a kick to the stiffs.

With the club how it is at the mo, can he even fine players? Or are the people who are meant to be in place to administor that following Fawaz into hiding? :dunno:

 

[Magamar]

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Dr Quinn Medicine Woman

Might help with our shocking injury record!!

 

[Sabri Natenagewitch]

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With the club how it is at the mo, can he even fine players? Or are the people who are meant to be in place to administor that following Fawaz into hiding? :dunno:

God only knows, it is a rudderless basket case. I stayed until the end yesterday, in the hope that what I saw on the pitch was the death rattle of FAW's tenure. We have no idea what will happen with the new people, but Fawaz has ripped the heart out of this club one way or another.

I'd love PM to do well, and if it had been a time under Doughty we may have seen something different.

Onuds and upuds, every single second of the day is a chance to turn things round, we may well be on the cusp of great things.

 

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The problem was the pressure created by all parties, Billy included.

The sad thing is the blinkered views that ridiculously blame Billy for everything, and fail to acknowledge the part Fawaz, the media, and self-harming fans hell bent on upsetting everything played in it all.

Billy, SOD, Pearce, Clough, Clark etc. - who's here needs to be good, but even if they are brilliant it won't matter until the club can stop getting caught up with all the pressure created by such parties, fannying out and imploding.

Also the fact that people can't acknowledge Billy is as good a manager as we can get harms us too, as we create fantasy after fantasy that other managers like Cotterill & Dougie are better and cahse out tails wasting time on them too.

I'd just like a good manager who plays decent football and has us competitive so that I can enjoy 90 min out with mates. I couldn't care less who does that, be it Billy, Monty, Yoda, Angus Young, Dennis Waterman, The Queen, Jack Frost, Machette, Skeletor, Dr Quinn Medicine Woman, Bea Smith, Brian Rice or Jesus.

With Billy I think a lot of people just didn't like the guy, although he didn't help himself in that regard with his increasingly confrontational attitude, not doing interviews etc.

I bet at some point when he was a child Mr and Mrs Davies stopped buying him toys because he threw them out of the pram so often.

 

[Barry]

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With Billy I think a lot of people just didn't like the guy, although he didn't help himself in that regard with his increasingly confrontational attitude, not doing interviews etc.

I bet at some point when he was a child Mr and Mrs Davies stopped buying him toys because he threw them out of the pram so often.

My bet is he was as good as gold at home but did daft stuff when he left the house....

 

[Dirk Furtull]

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Anyone else bored with Billy talk?

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[Senior Flange Technician]

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BD again, really?

He's a good manager, the best we had for some time, the trouble is you have to control him, if you do (as a CEO, owner or with a TAP) he falls out with you and does it publicly via the media whilst posturing for other jobs. If you don't control him he gets his cousin in and FFP was a direct result of that, yes Fawaz should have been more controlling but BD doesn't like that. One way or the other he always fucks it up, either on the field or in the accounts but mostly for himself. Can we not just have a normal bloke doing alright for a change? If we're bringing anyone back I'm firmly in the SOD with SP as DoF camp.

 

[Barbus]

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Fortunately while some of us on here are talking about bringing him back, there's no indication that those that matter are. ie the new owners.

 

[JordanForest]

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Mate, even Jesus would struggle with this squad, and he IS a miracle worker.

I dont think our squad is that bad. Other managers would definitely have this team higher up.

I know hes been disrupted by injuries but we still have a decent defence, and a decent strike force. The problem is lack of organisation and discipline, and most importantly the tactics. This team CAN NOT play liquid football. Its not good enough. Our midfield has no movement and no vision. Even dougie worked that one out.

This team is definitely better than 1 clean sheet in half a season.

He's probably a good manager, with a good squad, and more importantly a good midfield. Unfortunately we don't have that. Right man, wrong time. Happy to give him time and a january transfer window to allow him to bring in the right players. I still have a feeling he can get us promoted playing the right way. Were a season or two away from that though

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[Mr Fox]

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As manager you have to get results or you lose your job. Montanier just hasn't got enough good ones. We all wanted it to work but the reality is it just hasn't. He has failed to address the basic faults within the team and that will be is undoing.

He has a squad of players that the vast majority of fans have said is good enough for a top ten finish. Many fans on this forum went into great detail to explain how Freedman should be doing so much better with this squad.

One of the strengths of the side last season was our defensive shape. Freedman had us well organised and used the counter attack to get us enough points to stay floating around mid-table for most of the season. Like I said fans thought this was negative and we had the players to play an open and expansive game. I said it when Dougie was sacked that if you play an open attacking game with these players you will get killed. We just don't have the players to play that way and so it has proved.

Montanier found this out very quickly but his inability to organise the defensive structure of the side has been the most alarming thing. He changed from the attacking game he was employing at the start of the season to a counter attack game in the hope that this would give the defence more protection as was the case last season. The problem was the players have not got a grip on his system and the constant chopping and changing of players and their positions hasn't helped. Some fans will say this is down to injuries, all sides get injuries, we had our fair share of injuries last season but that didn't seem to be a factor to some last season.

Not all the changes that have been made can be put down to injuries, Montanier loves to chop and change players and their positions within the team. That is his style of management. Instead of using players where they are comfortable he tries to be clever. Footballers on the most part are not clever, they want simple instructions and as a coach it is your job to make it as easy as possible for them to display their talent within your team.

I think that has been his biggest mistake, the inability to decide on the best position for each player and play them in that position. The decision to play Lichaj at left back is an example of that. Lichaj is a solid right back at this level, play him anywhere on the pitch and he will try his best, play him in his best position and he will give the team more. Some fans will say he was moved because of the injuries to our left side in defence. Well that's not the whole story is it, at the start of the season, Lichaj wasn't in the team, he was playing Pereira as a right full back in a back four. The problem with that was Pereira is not a defender and has little or no defensive discipline. Yet Montanier continued with this week after week when it was obvious to most that he had to be employed further upfield. Even he eventually he had to give up on that when Pereira couldn't stay on the field. But it was an example of mistakes that we could all see happening week after week but Montanier wanted to be proved right.

So when we got injuries to Fox and Traore, instead of keeping Lichaj at right back he weakens the defence on both sides by moving your only solid right back to left back. I know some fans will say he had injuries so what could he do. The answer id simple, as manager you have to plan and cover for all eventualities, it wasn't a surprise to many that both those players got injured. If you remember Iacovitti started the season in that position. So why was he allowed to leave. Although he is a young player that was an error by the manager. Would it have stopped him moving players about, I have my doubts because as I have already explained that his his style.

In recent weeks he has had this obsession with playing Cash at right back, another example of not making best use of the players you have. Before his injury he was one of the driving forces of our midfield. As well as good play Cash gave the team much needed energy and youthful enthusiasm. Since he has been moved to right back / wing back his performances have went back and you can see him lose confidence by the game. Montanier must be able to see this so why not change it and get the lad back in his best position, he is not a right back. I see this as another example of Montanier trying to be clever and his inability to admit a mistake. What I do know is by playing Cash out of position he is not only weakening the team by doing so but also losing the confidence of the player. Not a good combination.

I could go on and work my way through the side and point out more but I know that most of you have seen what I am saying so I will stop here. There is no denying that Montanier has a difficult job but that is why he was brought in. Some have said in his defence that he had never worked in England and had no experience of the Championship and it would take time, well Jaap Stam has never been manager before yet look what he is doing at Reading. Not only changed the way they play but has them winning games and has spent very little is the process. Montanier has to take responsibility for the team, he selects it he picks the formation and he decides on the tactics. We are not one of the better teams in the division but we shoold be doing better than we are, that is for sure and that is the job of the manager / coach.

 

[lard]

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I would love to stick with Monty, But its the wrong time for him sadly, We need a fresh start and new eyes, The takeover should bring a new era, New Manager and Players.

 

[account deleted]

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As manager you have to get results or you lose your job. Montanier just hasn't got enough good ones. We all wanted it to work but the reality is it just hasn't. He has failed to address the basic faults within the team and that will be is undoing.

He has a squad of players that the vast majority of fans have said is good enough for a top ten finish. Many fans on this forum went into great detail to explain how Freedman should be doing so much better with this squad.

One of the strengths of the side last season was our defensive shape. Freedman had us well organised and used the counter attack to get us enough points to stay floating around mid-table for most of the season. Like I said fans thought this was negative and we had the players to play an open and expansive game. I said it when Dougie was sacked that if you play an open attacking game with these players you will get killed. We just don't have the players to play that way and so it has proved.

Montanier found this out very quickly but his inability to organise the defensive structure of the side has been the most alarming thing. He changed from the attacking game he was employing at the start of the season to a counter attack game in the hope that this would give the defence more protection as was the case last season. The problem was the players have not got a grip on his system and the constant chopping and changing of players and their positions hasn't helped. Some fans will say this is down to injuries, all sides get injuries, we had our fair share of injuries last season but that didn't seem to be a factor to some last season.

Not all the changes that have been made can be put down to injuries, Montanier loves to chop and change players and their positions within the team. That is his style of management. Instead of using players where they are comfortable he tries to be clever. Footballers on the most part are not clever, they want simple instructions and as a coach it is your job to make it as easy as possible for them to display their talent within your team.

I think that has been his biggest mistake, the inability to decide on the best position for each player and play them in that position. The decision to play Lichaj at left back is an example of that. Lichaj is a solid right back at this level, play him anywhere on the pitch and he will try his best, play him in his best position and he will give the team more. Some fans will say he was moved because of the injuries to our left side in defence. Well that's not the whole story is it, at the start of the season, Lichaj wasn't in the team, he was playing Pereira as a right full back in a back four. The problem with that was Pereira is not a defender and has little or no defensive discipline. Yet Montanier continued with this week after week when it was obvious to most that he had to be employed further upfield. Even he eventually he had to give up on that when Pereira couldn't stay on the field. But it was an example of mistakes that we could all see happening week after week but Montanier wanted to be proved right.

So when we got injuries to Fox and Traore, instead of keeping Lichaj at right back he weakens the defence on both sides by moving your only solid right back to left back. I know some fans will say he had injuries so what could he do. The answer id simple, as manager you have to plan and cover for all eventualities, it wasn't a surprise to many that both those players got injured. If you remember Iacovitti started the season in that position. So why was he allowed to leave. Although he is a young player that was an error by the manager. Would it have stopped him moving players about, I have my doubts because as I have already explained that his his style.

In recent weeks he has had this obsession with playing Cash at right back, another example of not making best use of the players you have. Before his injury he was one of the driving forces of our midfield. As well as good play Cash gave the team much needed energy and youthful enthusiasm. Since he has been moved to right back / wing back his performances have went back and you can see him lose confidence by the game. Montanier must be able to see this so why not change it and get the lad back in his best position, he is not a right back. I see this as another example of Montanier trying to be clever and his inability to admit a mistake. What I do know is by playing Cash out of position he is not only weakening the team by doing so but also losing the confidence of the player. Not a good combination.

I could go on and work my way through the side and point out more but I know that most of you have seen what I am saying so I will stop here. There is no denying that Montanier has a difficult job but that is why he was brought in. Some have said in his defence that he had never worked in England and had no experience of the Championship and it would take time, well Jaap Stam has never been manager before yet look what he is doing at Reading. Not only changed the way they play but has them winning games and has spent very little is the process. Montanier has to take responsibility for the team, he selects it he picks the formation and he decides on the tactics. We are not one of the better teams in the division but we shoold be doing better than we are, that is for sure and that is the job of the manager / coach.

You are Sean O'Driscoll and I claim my £5

 

[valspoodle]

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I would love to stick with Monty, But its the wrong time for him sadly, We need a fresh start and new eyes, The takeover should bring a new era, New Manager and Players.

I'm with you here Lard. PM is a lovely guy and in normal circumstances, with his CV, would be given time, but sadly the situation appears to have got away from him and I too think we need root and branch change, a real shake up.

 

[ben_b]

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I have lost all faith in Montanier and think its time for a change. Id even be happy to give Lester a few games in charge to see how it goes, he knows the academy well aswell as the Championship. If there is no reaction then get someone else in.