Nuno Herlander Simões Espírito Santo

[congo_red_49]

We’ve just lost a cup game 1-0 to Manchester United and I'm reading people say we should sack Nuno in summer ffs.

Higher win percentage than Cooper this season and scores more goals per game? Not good enough for Nottingham Forest apparently.

I'm definitely not down for sacking him, but as others have stated, he hasn't been the upgrade on Cooper than our hierarchy though he would be. Still losing games, still due to individual mistakes and set-pieces, but with a little bit more attacking intent.

 

[FLC]

Nunos used to rocking a 50% win percentage, the pain is clear to see as the 20 odd % he's got here shows little sign of improving.

Tough gig, we're slightly more eyecatching, but more susceptible to mistakes, particularly at set pieces. Ultimately we're no further forward.

Doesnt strike me as a bloke who's gonna stick around in the trenches to take a career hit. Just a hunch.

I think his best career move if we go down is to stick with us and get us back up. Without that he doesn’t get another top flight job.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Sack this guy and we'll probably end up with Rooney in charge FFS

Obviously we need to stick with him

 

[Aussie Forest]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing

 

[magicwoand]

Is Nunos 1 win and 1 89th minute defeat v Man United as good as Coopers 5 defeats against Man United? The juries still out.

 

['mist rollin in']

We’ve just lost a cup game 1-0 to Manchester United and I'm reading people say we should sack Nuno in summer ffs.

Higher win percentage than Cooper this season and scores more goals per game? Not good enough for Nottingham Forest apparently.

Just to clarify my previous post, I’m certainly not calling for Nuno to be sacked, however I’m annoyed at our defensive frailties, which don’t seemed to have improved. I put more blame on the players for this rather than Nuno.

 

[Strummer]

Just to clarify my previous post, I’m certainly not calling for Nuno to be sacked, however I’m annoyed at our defensive frailties, which don’t seemed to have improved. I put more blame on the players for this rather than Nuno.

Well he can‘t buy more players, and Forest have probably spaffed their budget for this season anyway.

But the amount of individual mistakes that keep getting made is infuriating. Why on earth do they not work on this in training? It‘s called „Coaching“ and is what they should be doing, not faffing about making f***ing videos for social media.

 

[magicwoand]

Well he can‘t buy more players, and Forest have probably spaffed their budget for this season anyway.

But the amount of individual mistakes that keep getting made is infuriating. Why on earth do they not work on this in training? It‘s called „Coaching“ and is what they should be doing, not faffing about making f***ing videos for social media.

This, if I was Nuno, I’d totally cut this out. We don’t want to see the players pissing about doing silly videos when we are in the position were in.

 

[valspoodle]

I certain we can't go back to the revolving door type of managerial appointment.

Nuno has to have time. Were the wins in his first games flukes or have we lost the players who contributed to those victories? (I don't know, I don't memorise players names like I used to)

 

[congo_red_49]

This, if I was Nuno, I’d totally cut this out. We don’t want to see the players pissing about doing silly videos when we are in the position were in.

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[Gyros Peter]

Talk of sacking the manager after losing in the final minutes (after holding our own) to sixth in the league is ludicrous.

Think defensive mistakes wise we are getting undone a little by being set up to attack teams - I think Nuno sees that as the most likely way to get results. That's how I'd see it after being unable to effectively defend in a low block. Current tactics make us vulnerable but more likely to outscore.

Also think the Wood injury has hit us hard, (coupled with signing someone who clearly isn't ready - if he was ready a change would have been made up top).

Would I have switched up earlier last night? Definitely, yes. Could there be a reason why Nuno didn't? I expect so.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Some interesting posts above. I'm sat waiting for a client to arrive for a meeting, so to kill some time I've done a mini-reflection...

Is sacking Nuno even on the cards?
Well, did the club change manager just to tread water in 17th like the previous manager was doing? I doubt it, I very much think Marinakis was expecting much more. So yeah, I think Marinakis' will be looking at Summer options tbh, he's about as loyal as Tiger Woods in a brothel. Cooper's sacking really taught me not to underestimate how deluded Marinakis and co. really are with regards to where we should be in the Prem.

I'd say Nuno doesn't have to convince the club that he can keep us up (although that would be a start), he has to convince them he can take us to challenge for Europe. Beating Liverpool would be a great boost for him with the club I've no doubt, as the egos at the club are enamored by big, designer, ego-fueling names. I genuinely think that a win against a big club registers as 6pts in the mind of some fans and, more importantly, our owners. So fingers crossed we slay the scouse, I think it will buy him considerably more time than a win against the likes of Palace.


But what about the bloke himself?
Regards Nuno himself, he's a very mixed manager as far as I can see.

+Great at getting the most from certain players. Honestly, I think this element of his game is hugely underestimated. The improvement in players like Wood, Origi, CHO etc. is frankly superb, so I've big respect for his man-management skills. I also think it's helped his cause that he has a smaller squad to deal with too, again we go back to the club self-harming with shit recruitment strategizing. But Nuno drove that squad trimming anyway, so again he gets the credit.

+Plays nice football. Obviously this means a lot to some fans, and I think it means something to all of us. But nice football doesn't necessarily mean nice results, which is what he'll ultimately be judged on of course. Still, it's a good string to his bow.

- He's slow, in fact I would bet a nice chunk that Nuno is a spliff man lol, because boy is he slow to spot things e.g. the fact that he didn't think we needed a new keeper until late in the window; and he didn't spot Niakate's previous failure at LB against Brentford; questions over his opinion on Toffs too etc. He doesn't strike me as an obsessive grafter when it comes to the job.

- His "longview" is poor. Sorry, but many of us said at the time that we thought Nuno was making a mistake fielding such strong teams in the Cup against the likes of Blackpool, and seeing how much our energy dropped off after 60 min last night those concerns look to be manifesting. They certainly manifested in Wood, who he ran into the ground (people may say he had no other options, but as I've said before he could easily have played without a forward or a CB/mid playing up top for the last 15-20 min of the poxy cup games.) Who's gonna remember our cup run in 5 years time? No-one. But we'll remember it if burn-out sees us making silly mistakes which send us down again.

- This is just a personal gripe, but I'm sick of hearing his patronizing bull about "we need the fans" on radio. You're here to earn that support Nuno, Cooper didn't get it magically, he took us from bottom of the Champ to the prem and then kept us up season after. In doing so, the belief and support grew.

Marinakis carries the can for this largely, he raised prices, he sacked Coops for "underperforming" (in 17th ), he promised "this is just the beginning" after getting carried away over beating Man U in the League...so high standards have been set. But Nuno is here to meet those standards, not have us carry him there. A victim of club over-ambition, but he signed up for that.


Conclusion?
Ultimately, Nuno has acquired better players in key aeras, namely goal, and still has us sat in the league exactly where we were when he took over after a quarter of a season in charge. In that time he's concentrated on a cup run which has done little but shattered some of our players.

So far, the improvement is pretty superficial, and he needs to start showing a nastier streak by demanding more from the players and more from the club. We've a weak owner who's backed by a weak son, neither capable of riding out a rocky patch without panic buying or manager hunting, and so we can't afford to have a weak manager too.

I'm hoping that Nuno's excellent man-management and attacking football will be enough to carry us through, and that players like Origi continue to improve enough to get Nuno to a Summer where he can grab the top brass by the balls and actually sort the cub out, specifically by getting in more well-rounded and suited players, as we currently have some very good-but-very flawed ones, and by moving out even more dead wood too.

That killed a few minutes rather nicely

 

['mist rollin in']

Well he can‘t buy more players, and Forest have probably spaffed their budget for this season anyway.

But the amount of individual mistakes that keep getting made is infuriating. Why on earth do they not work on this in training? It‘s called „Coaching“ and is what they should be doing, not faffing about making f***ing videos for social media.

I’d very much like to ask the set piece coach what he does!!

 

[Any Time Now]

I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to see Marinakis bin him off for one last desperation roll of the dice if we struggle to pick up points over the next 4 games, it would obviously be a ridiculous decision (and I say this as someone who doesn't see Nuno's approach as particularly sustainable here)

 

['mist rollin in']

This, if I was Nuno, I’d totally cut this out. We don’t want to see the players pissing about doing silly videos when we are in the position were in.

I also thought they didn’t read the room with the AFCON celebrations at the start of the match yesterday. I’m probably being very miserable, but given that 3 players are injured with no word on their return date, last thing I wanted to see was them celebrating a trophy that has made our season difficult. If we were 14th and 10 points clear of relegation, I’ll put an Ivory Coast flag above the Trent End, but we’re 17th and facing a points deduction. Probably being very pedantic and boring, but it didn’t go down well with a few in the crowd next to me.

 

[Worsley Red]

Is Nunos 1 win and 1 89th minute defeat v Man United as good as Coopers 5 defeats against Man United? The juries still out.

Don’t forget the zero goals in more than 6 hours of football last season


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[FLC]

Let’s face it though, if we get relegated with a points deduction it’s down to Marinakus not Nuno.

 

[Gyros Peter]

I’d very much like to ask the set piece coach what he does!!

"So Morgan- you kick it in the box. Lads do your best to get on the end of it."

 

[magicwoand]

"So Morgan- you kick it in the box. Lads do your best to get on the end of it."

It was noted on the commentary last night that our Corners were exactly the same all the time. The one time MGW did vary it he ballooned it over everyone
I do think theres a self fulfilling prophecy with our defence of set pieces though, we know we concede from them along with everyone else. So when we are defending we are more anxious as a team. Conversely the opponents are more confident and are prepared to try fancy stuff they've worked on the training ground. Unlucky for us it seams like the 1 in 50 chance they actually do work, is against us.

 

[Gyros Peter]

It was noted on the commentary last night that our Corners were exactly the same all the time. The one time MGW did vary it he ballooned it over everyone
I do think theres a self fulfilling prophecy with our defence of set pieces though, we know we concede from them along with everyone else. So when we are defending we are more anxious as a team. Conversely the opponents are more confident and are prepared to try fancy stuff they've worked on the training ground. Unlucky for us it seams like the 1 in 50 chance they actually do work, is against us.

Yup, that happens. We can no doubt start by defending them better though - more proactive, higher line etc.

 

[magicwoand]

Yup, that happens. We can no doubt start by defending them better though - more proactive, higher line etc.

Definitely, especially last night at the end, although I don't blame Turner for the goal, (I'm looking at you Elanga), If we set the line a bit higher, Casemeros header comes from further out and Turner has a chance to save it.

 

[Gyros Peter]

Definitely, especially last night at the end, although I don't blame Turner for the goal, (I'm looking at you Elanga), If we set the line a bit higher, Casemeros header comes from further out and Turner has a chance to save it.

I don't blame Turner or Elanga - it's not hard to get a tackle wrong at that point in the game, and while Turner could have done better there were several things we (as a team) could have improved in defending that free kick.

 

[glosterred]

Is Nunos 1 win and 1 89th minute defeat v Man United as good as Coopers 5 defeats against Man United? The juries still out.

An intriguing comparison to make so soon after we didn’t lay a glove on Villa at the weekend after beating them earlier in the season

 

[Bob Fossil]

I think the all important judgement for Nuno is, does he stick with what we're doing currently, can he make it work and if not, how quickly can he change it and how effective can that change be?

Make no mistake, we had chances against United and were in the game, been in a few of the games we've lost but Villa and Newcastle were great examples. We had a spell either side of half time in those games where we looked dangerous but because of defensive frailties, we left ourselves with too much work to do, not just to win but to get back equal.

I think Cooper had it right at the end of last season and start of this, where we would just sit back, keep it tight and then hit teams on the counter. That requires the defence and midfielders to shut up shop though. We don't really concede through open play that much, but set pieces are this season's away record. That HAS to be address. You can park the bus, but you are going to give away corners and free kicks around your box and you have to be able to defend them. You also have to be able to use them when it's your turn to take them too.

I'd f*** Nuno off in the summer, regardless of what happens if I'm honest. Having had a couple months, it was the only decision we could make to sack Steve but I don't see Nuno as being someone that is going to advance us beyond where Steve had us. I also don't think he fancies the Championship if we go down.

I know it's only been two months, I just don't think see it being a long term thing with him at the helm.

We wouldn't get a manager with anywhere near Nuno's quality in the Championship if we go down.

He's also managed in that league before.

As others have said, his best bet would be to stick with us if relegated to restore his reputation if he wants another top-flight job. If he'd be willing to stay we'd be mad to get rid.

 

[magicwoand]

An intriguing comparison to make so soon after we didn’t lay a glove on Villa at the weekend after beating them earlier in the season

We scored 2 goals mate.