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Nicolás Martín Domínguez

Timothy Pope

Timothy Pope

I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
MaxiRobriguez

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Timothy Pope said:
Be interesting to compare those stats with Yates.
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Yates is playing a different role this year, both compared to Dominguez (and Anderson before him) and also to Yates of recent previous years.

He's typically deeper, less inclined to join in the attacks late on and isn't pressing anywhere near high up the pitch he used to.

Not seen his radar charts but I strongly suspect they look nothing like Dominguez' apart from the defending ones. He'll be very low on xG and touches in opposition box, but higher in progressive runs and forward passes.
 
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Redofheaven2

Youth Team
Captain Sinister said:
I do struggle with these diagrams!
Nick has yet to score this season, but has a XG (WTF is an XG??) of 88%?
I would really appreciate a narrative with the diagram to explain it to a numpty like me.
All those stats, and if I'd not seem him play I'd be none the wiser as to whether he is paying well or underperforming.
having seen him at every home game and away at Licester I know he is absolutely on fire!
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I think the 88% is that he has a higher XG than all but 11% of premier league players in the same position / role. A little misleading as most of his xG would have been the one chance from 4 yards at Leicester.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Redofheaven2 said:
I think the 88% is that he has a higher XG than all but 11% of premier league players in the same position / role. A little misleading as most of his xG would have been the one chance from 4 yards at Leicester.
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So, he hasn't actually scored this season, but he is more likely to score than 88% of defending midfielders?
Meaningless drivel them stats!
 
Otis Redding

Otis Redding

Try A Little Tenderness
MaxiRobriguez said:
You are right.

The data suggests he's the most all action box to box player in the league pretty much as he ranks extremely highly in defending actions and blocks whilst also having a high xG and touches in the opposition box.

It's unsurprising he has low %s in attacking passes and dribbles because to get such high stats in defending and xG/touches in the box he simply can't be a major part of the build up play, because if he was he wouldn't be in the box as much.

When you pair this sort of box to box midfielder with someone who is more constrained in their positioning on the pitch and who does well closing off passing lanes then you get a lot of bang for your buck from your 2 CMs.
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Thanks for the translation.
 
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Larry Lansbury

Viv Anderson
Has anyone got any running stats, distanced covered for Dom or Yates-like to see how they compare with other DCM in their position and as a team as a whole.
 
Monkman

Monkman

Jack Burkitt
MaxiRobriguez said:
Yates is playing a different role this year, both compared to Dominguez (and Anderson before him) and also to Yates of recent previous years.

He's typically deeper, less inclined to join in the attacks late on and isn't pressing anywhere near high up the pitch he used to.

Not seen his radar charts but I strongly suspect they look nothing like Dominguez' apart from the defending ones. He'll be very low on xG and touches in opposition box, but higher in progressive runs and forward passes.
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Not sure I agree on this - he scored against Leicester, missed an absolute sitter from about 7 yards and had a close range goal ruled out for offside v WH. Of the 2 CMs he's currently looking the more likely to score.
 
Monkman

Monkman

Jack Burkitt
Redofheaven2 said:
I think the 88% is that he has a higher XG than all but 11% of premier league players in the same position / role. A little misleading as most of his xG would have been the one chance from 4 yards at Leicester.
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And the one he hit over the bar just before half time v WH.

Just realised I've contradicted my previous post :ROFLMAO: Still think Yates is generally looking the more likely to score.
 
PlayedOnGrass

PlayedOnGrass

Viv Anderson
Yoghurt Slice said:
7 central midfielders who are all prem level. Nope not sustainable. Ward Prowse will return to West Ham we can't afford him, but you could argue his signing was a real motivation for Dom and Yates to up their games, which they have to the point where they are just about indisputably first choice.

And yeah I feel Sangare will be the odd man out and probably sold in the summer, unless he comes back and finds incredible form
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If Sangare & Danilo are fit in January - Do we have the option to send JWP back to West Ham? - that would be the easiest & cheapest solution, I think we are paying all of his wages - rumored to be £100k per week
 
MaxiRobriguez

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Monkman said:
Not sure I agree on this - he scored against Leicester, missed an absolute sitter from about 7 yards and had a close range goal ruled out for offside v WH. Of the 2 CMs he's currently looking the more likely to score.
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I meant specifically from open play, and not saying he doesn't get forward at all now just notably less than Dominguez. Be interesting to see his radar chart if someone had it.
 
Fawazzock

Fawazzock

Jack Burkitt
Said without the aid of data, doesn’t Yates have more scoring opportunities because of more minutes on the pitch?

Charts and stats are good! So is intuition, but knowledge is power. I don’t really know what all this XG and radar malarky means, but it’s a well established part of professional sports and enjoy the proliferation of such knowledge on here.
 
BryanRoy22

BryanRoy22

Bob McKinlay
Dominguez is becoming an underrated player I think. He doesn't do anything spectacular to the human eye but the basics he does so well.

Positionally and effort wise he's top drawer. He makes all the right runs at the right times and seems to be in the right place at the right time, and that's not something you can learn. He reads the game.
 
Quntib Hollox

Quntib Hollox

Jack Burkitt
He couldn’t do any more with the header for “the save of the century “. He had to crane his head to get enough power and direction.
From the back of the Trent end I was celebrating the “goal”.
Couldn’t believe it was somehow kept out.
 
Baronvon

Baronvon

Jack Burkitt
The sort of player that epitomises the strength of our squad now. Won't always be in the starting XI but will never let you down on the pitch.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Quntib Hollox said:
He couldn’t do any more with the header for “the save of the century “. He had to crane his head to get enough power and direction.
From the back of the Trent end I was celebrating the “goal”.
Couldn’t believe it was somehow kept out.
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The slow motions replays do it a disservice. When you watch his technique in slow motion, then watch again the save back in real time. It is mind blowing how he has saved that.

The Seaman save is regarded as the main contender but if you watch that one, it comes at him incredibly slow compared to this shot. It is the best save ever in my opinion.
 
Baronvon

Baronvon

Jack Burkitt
The Seaman save, while still brilliant and worthy of the highest praise, was somewhat aided by Peschisolido botching his header. Still a remarkable save and the way he scooped it away at full stretch with just one hand was incredible - but he should have been given no chance whatsoever.

For the Martinez save, short of putting it right in the corner (which would been incredibly difficult, given the angles), there really wasn't any more Dominguez could have done to score. It was no fluke how he clawed it back from the line either - he knew exactly what he was doing in that split second.
 
jdthebrit

jdthebrit

Viv Anderson
Rzar said:
The slow motions replays do it a disservice. When you watch his technique in slow motion, then watch again the save back in real time. It is mind blowing how he has saved that.

The Seaman save is regarded as the main contender but if you watch that one, it comes at him incredibly slow compared to this shot. It is the best save ever in my opinion.
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Gordon Banks, Mexico 1970. Accept no substitutes. We still lost, but that was no disgrace, to the greatest team in recorded history.
 
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