Morgan Anthony Gibbs-White

[Morpeth]

A nice little loan like that McAtee will do, to tide us over until Scarpa/Aguilera.

 

[Jericho]

Not sure about MGW. Apparently he shits himself after 5 pints of Rattler.

 

[cheapseats]

Yep.

Lingard was the pivot. We moved quickly to get him once we realised we were getting priced out of MGW>

And this is the point. Gibbs-white was just too expensive (for what he is).
Wolves will now be looking at squeaky bum time for the remainder of his contract and I’m not sure, frankly if this will end up well for them in the end

 

[RedSpoons]

And this is the point. Gibbs-white was just too expensive (for what he is).
Wolves will now be looking at squeaky bum time for the remainder of his contract and I’m not sure, frankly if this will end up well for them in the end

I think realistically Wolves are going to start him, which is really all he wanted. Once the window closes, I’m sure he signs a new deal, with a heavy signing fee (preserving his value for Wolves).

Don’t think it will get close to squeaky bum time

 

[cheapseats]

I think realistically Wolves are going to start him, which is really all he wanted. Once the window closes, I’m sure he signs a new deal, with a heavy signing fee (preserving his value for Wolves).

Don’t think it will get close to squeaky bum time

That’s the plan for them I guess but stranger things have happened in football

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Yeah MGW will end up a regular for Wolves, especially with Jiminez out for a bit. Remains to be seen whether he'll become worth a £30m footballer but I certainly don't blame Forest for deciding that was a figure too far, especially considering we got Lingard who has established himself in this league for about a quarter of the overall price. Obviously that's only a year and obviously no resale value in Lingard, but I dare say Forest aren't looking much beyond the next 12 months and just making sure we don't go down. If we achieve that then who knows maybe we'll go back in for MGW.

I think Forest made the right move in the end. I really wanted MGW, think he's got all the attributes to be a good player and especially a good player in a Cooper side, but... yeah... too much money and we got a better player for less. Job well done Forest.

 

[Redemption]

Did Forest ever confirm they were in for him? And when did they confirm they were no longer interested?

 

[RedSpoons]

Yeah MGW will end up a regular for Wolves, especially with Jiminez out for a bit. Remains to be seen whether he'll become worth a £30m footballer but I certainly don't blame Forest for deciding that was a figure too far, especially considering we got Lingard who has established himself in this league for about a quarter of the overall price. Obviously that's only a year and obviously no resale value in Lingard, but I dare say Forest aren't looking much beyond the next 12 months and just making sure we don't go down. If we achieve that then who knows maybe we'll go back in for MGW.

I think Forest made the right move in the end. I really wanted MGW, think he's got all the attributes to be a good player and especially a good player in a Cooper side, but... yeah... too much money and we got a better player for less. Job well done Forest.

We don’t even know if Forest have moved on or not, or even if we had any real interest is the thing. We’ve heard nothing of any note on transfer front for over a week since reports came out that Mangala bid was accepted. Something is a in the works, but what

 

[Rzar]

This was always gonna drag on all summer, it isn't in Wolves' interest to sell early in the window unless a crazy offer came in (which is what they wanted). There a numerous reasons why Wolves are in no rush to sell but they will need a decision by the end of this window or the next otherwise he only goes down in value.

Lingard has brought us time if we really wanna chase him to the end.

I am still getting vibes that we will get him, we have chased him all summer, I think he is the ony Cooper is desperate for - and that number 10 shirt is still free. Even if nothing happens, there isn't many games between the window closing and opening because of the WC so until that contract is signed we will always be hovering.

 

[RedSpoons]

This was always gonna drag on all summer, it isn't in Wolves' interest to sell early in the window unless a crazy offer came in (which is what they wanted). There a numerous reasons why Wolves are in no rush to sell but they will need a decision by the end of this window or the next otherwise he only goes down in value.

Lingard has brought us time if we really wanna chase him to the end.

I am still getting vibes that we will get him, we have chased him all summer, I think he is the ony Cooper is desperate for - and that number 10 shirt is still free. Even if nothing happens, there isn't many games between the window closing and opening because of the WC so until that contract is signed we will always be hovering.

Yeah it does feel like the only constant in Q&As, reputable reporting etc all summer has been Forest retain an interest. The word “priority signing” has been used by a couple reporters which makes you think Forest are comfortable to make that known. Almost like they want MGW to seem valued by everyone involved with the club in a very obvious way...

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

We don’t even know if Forest have moved on or not, or even if we had any real interest is the thing. We’ve heard nothing of any note on transfer front for over a week since reports came out that Mangala bid was accepted. Something is a in the works, but what

Yes I am drawing my conclusion, but I don't think it's a wild guess that Forest have moved on considering:
1) We'd have to double our record transfer fee to land him.
2) The position he would inevitably play in in Forest's 3-4-1-2 is currently filled by Lingard.
3) We signed Lingard about a week after MGW price went to £25m-£30m and other clubs showed interest.
4) We're not going to pay £25m-£30m for someone who isn't guarantee to start.
5) There's been nothing in the blue-tick media about MGW for weeks now.
6) The season starts in four days and we've already spent most of summer ripping up our team. It needs time to gel now.

The only way I still see this transfer happening is if:
1) Wolves drop their price by £10m.
2) Forest decide to play him in a holding midfield role, at least for this season, after which point he may move forward into #10 slot.

Personally think our buying business is done. We need another CM and we need another player who can cover both #10 and as part of the up front two, but we could quite easily loan both those players towards end of the window if we start reasonably well, saving some dry powder for January window.

 

[Rzar]

Personally think our buying business is done. We need another CM and we need another player who can cover both #10 and as part of the up front two, but we could quite easily loan both those players towards end of the window if we start reasonably well, saving some dry powder for January window.

Doesn't sound like that's the case based on Cooper's words the other night. I think we will see another 5 or 6 personally.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Doesn't sound like that's the case based on Cooper's words the other night. I think we will see another 5 or 6 personally.

I just don't know where we'll fit them?

For me the only gaps we have now are:
1) RWB backup
2) Yates backup/competition (assuming Mangala and O'Brien in direct competition for other slot)
3) Lingard backup
4) Johnson backup (assuming Mighten gets loaned out and Surridge is Awoniyi's backup).

And none of those are absolutely vital apart from Yates competition in my opinion as RWB backup could be Biancone, Lingard backup as mentioned could be a loan (McAtee?) and Johnson backup again that loan (or Mighten).

We sign 5 or 6 players still that takes our summer incomings to 17+ players. That's mad!

 

[jazz]

Is MGW all that? i'm not so sure what has he done to warrant this attention

 

[Rzar]

I just don't know where we'll fit them?

For me the only gaps we have now are:
1) RWB backup
2) Yates backup/competition (assuming Mangala and O'Brien in direct competition for other slot)
3) Lingard backup
4) Johnson backup (assuming Mighten gets loaned out and Surridge is Awoniyi's backup).

And none of those are absolutely vital apart from Yates competition in my opinion as RWB backup could be Biancone, Lingard backup as mentioned could be a loan (McAtee?) and Johnson backup again that loan (or Mighten).

We sign 5 or 6 players still that takes our summer incomings to 17+ players. That's mad!

We 100% need another striker, if not 2.

We will need a backup RWB, another midfielder & another attacking midfielder. Then we need attacking bench options - I would be happy for Bowler in that role. I don't think we should be looking to bring in any backups apart from maybe the RWB position.

 

[Calvin Plummer]

I'm unconvinced we have enough passing quality in the center of the park. A creative player would be my priority.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

We 100% need another striker, if not 2.

We will need a backup RWB, another midfielder & another attacking midfielder. Then we need attacking bench options - I would be happy for Bowler in that role. I don't think we should be looking to bring in any backups apart from maybe the RWB position.

I think you're asking for too much.

We have Johnson, Awoniyi (record purchase remember), Surridge and Mighten for the two striker positions at the moment. No way we go out and buy two more strikers, it's not an effective use of money. Maybe we buy one, and maybe Mighten goes out on loan, but if you buy two then you end up in a situation where Surridge never plays and two from Johnson, Awoniyi and the two lads your buying are permanently on the subs bench (because we know Cooper likes a settled team).

Backup RWB: Maybe, if Biancone not trust.

Backup AM: Yes.

"Attacking Bench options" - Not sure why these are different to backup positions. If we sign Bowler that's likely to be the Johnson backup in my opinion - similar sort of profile, ball carrying, pulls to the right etc. But for this argument lets consider him as additional option.

So that's four. Not five or six. And that's being greedy as well. It's not like any of these signatures would make or break our season as they're all backup options.

 

[Rzar]

I just don't agree regards to the strikers. We need more. And 5 subs means they will all get game time, they will play.

Mighten cannot be classed as a striker to start with. Secondly, Johnson spends most of the game out wide. The striker moves out his way when we have the ball as he runs beyond the last man. He isn't a pure striker and I would never want him playing back to goal as a genuine striker.

Thirdly, we cannot go into a season with just Surridge & Awoniyi (both unproven) as strikers. Just 1 or 2 injuries and we are bollocked up top which we can't afford to do.

I don't think it's being greedy. 5 subs dictates we need plenty of options. We will need at least 2 strikers on the bench every match - not 2 in the entire squad. We had more options last season and were limping through the games because of injuries.

 

[Rzar]

I think the general point - and this goes for MGW too. Why not be greedy now, THIS is the time to be greedy.

We have a stunning manager, an owner that clearly wants to pump money in and a genuine chance to establish ourself as a PL team.

 

[Calvin Plummer]

A fourth striker would be nice (Johnson does count as one) but it's not impossible we play with just one at times with say BJ and Lingard behind.

It really depends what's left in the kitty and what loan players we can attract. Realistically completely rebuilding a squad to PL standards is extremely hard to do, let alone integrating them.

 

[Calvin Plummer]

I think the general point - and this goes for MGW too. Why not be greedy now, THIS is the time to be greedy.

We have a stunning manager, an owner that clearly wants to pump money in and a genuine chance to establish ourself as a PL team.

Because the first principle should always be recruiting the right player at the right price.

 

[Rzar]

Because the first principle should always be recruiting the right player at the right price.

I agree, I never said we should go away from that. Just don't see why we would leave ourselves short.

 

[vertigored]

Its the old hanging onto a balloon rope analogy thingamajig.
so far spent 80 million on new players, does EM think that’ll do and let go and drop to earth there knowing we can survive that if we screw it up… or does he keep holding on and pumping more money in knowing that the more he’s putting in the bigger the fall.

it could no down be put a lot more effectively than that but I’m not and can’t be arsed to think about it more…

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

I just don't agree regards to the strikers. We need more. And 5 subs means they will all get game time, they will play.

Mighten cannot be classed as a striker to start with. Secondly, Johnson spends most of the game out wide. The striker moves out his way when we have the ball as he runs beyond the last man. He isn't a pure striker and I would never want him playing back to goal as a genuine striker.

Thirdly, we cannot go into a season with just Surridge & Awoniyi (both unproven) as strikers. Just 1 or 2 injuries and we are bollocked up top which we can't afford to do.

I don't think it's being greedy. 5 subs dictates we need plenty of options. We will need at least 2 strikers on the bench every match - not 2 in the entire squad. We had more options last season and were limping through the games because of injuries.

Johnson is a striker whether you like it or not. If we sign another striker then one of that player, Awoniyi or Johnson is getting benched. Where else are they going to play in the 3-4-1-2 formation? Johnson in the #10 hole looked completely lost in pre-season and he's not going to play as a RWB either is he?

Mighten is in the same boat. Personally I think his best position is as an inside forward on the left, but we play with wing backs, so he needs to adapt his position. His next best position is similar to Johnson, as that advanced forward with license to move into channels. As it currently stands he is the backup striker to Johnson. I get the question marks over quality, and I do think he should be loaned out rather than relied upon, but if Cooper disagrees and wants him in the squad then he will be thought of as a striker.

RE: Awoniyi/Surridge being unproven. None of our players are apart from Henderson and Lingard. Awoniyi banged in loads of goals for a side that finished 5th in the Bundesliga. He's not unproven just because he's not played in the Premier League. If we piss our chops at that then we also need to replace McKenna, Worrall, Johnson etc - all unproven.

RE: 5 subs. Just because they are there doesn't mean we need to use them. We didn't use 3 subs every game last year. There's fewer fixtures in this league, more rest between them and Cooper likes a settled team anyway.

I think you're too worried. We've got as good an eleven we could have hoped for at this stage, spent a shit tonne of money and whilst the bench isn't as strong as I'd like it to be, we hopefully won't need to rely on it too much anyway, and of course we've still got two loan spots we can use, and I'm sure we will use.

The only gaping hole we have is central midfield. Yates/Mangala/O'Brien worries me. If we're going to spend a lot of money then rather than spend it across 5 or so backups I'd rather we just dropped the lot on a top class central midfielder like Sangare.

 

[Rzar]

It's not enough up top Maxi. We will have to agree to disagree.