Maxwel Cornet

[Calvin Plummer]

You ought to be fussed about who ends up in CM-if we get consistently dominated there it won’t matter what frills we have further forward.
And on Cornet-I very much doubt he’s being looked at as a wing back, otherwise why bother with Toffolo?. I think he’s a potential forward player particularly if we play 3-4-3 or 4-3-3 which I think is quite likely at times…

We will be constantly dominated in midfield because a) we don't have the players or budget to make it otherwise and b) it's the plan...

We are a counter attacking team who will look to absorb pressure and hit sides on the break. Our central 2 will ideally have great engines, close space, intercept etc. When they have the ball they'll look to get us 20 yards up the pitch and funnel it to a wingback or forward ASAP.

If you're expecting otherwise you haven't watched us much or paid attention to the type of signings we've made. Even Linguard is clearly a counter attacking player, he's not in the mold of a man city player.

 

[cheapseats]

But if you quibble over a million or two and lose out on a player it could potentially cost you £100m if you get relegated. I agree we shouldn't be frittering away money for the sake of it but if we're too careful it could mean we lose out.

Anyway since that post we've proven we're clearly OK with putting cash on the table if the circumstances are OK.

Aaaah, the "speculate to accumulate" argument.

Guess it all boils down to what you mean by "too careful", there is a whole industry in football watching for the next club planning to speculate without much of an eye on the budget and they are experts at squeezing those extra few mill from said clubs. I don't want that to be us and if we miss out on a few lower-mid prem level players as a result, so be it, plenty of other fish in the sea

 

[cheapseats]

We will be constantly dominated in midfield because a) we don't have the players or budget to make it otherwise and b) it's the plan...

We are a counter attacking team who will look to absorb pressure and hit sides on the break. Our central 2 will ideally have great engines, close space, intercept etc. When they have the ball they'll look to get us 20 yards up the pitch and funnel it to a wingback or forward ASAP.

If you're expecting otherwise you haven't watched us much or paid attention to the type of signings we've made. Even Linguard is clearly a counter attacking player, he's not in the mold of a man city player.

We've been a counter attacking team right the way back to Cloughs days and he would have said the CM is the most important part of the pitch-either you control the tempo there or you get controlled. I am not saying counter attacking football isn't be effective, just that it does not involve giving up the midfield. If you are "constantly dominated" with your midfielders having to sit on your own 18 yard line because they are being dominated and can't get out, then there is no control and inevitably when you do get possession the passes become longer and more risky to isolated forwards. Its exactly what we saw with Lamouchi (when people had worked him out) and Hughton. It just doesn't work, and when you add in the additional quality of the prem and the highly effective press of most of these sides if we give up the middle of the pitch we will be absolutely murdered week after week.

There are other ways of creating space for attacks and "break football" without lying down and playing dead in central midfield....

 

[Calvin Plummer]

We've been a counter attacking team right the way back to Cloughs days and he would have said the CM is the most important part of the pitch-either you control the tempo there or you get controlled. I am not saying counter attacking football isn't be effective, just that it does not involve giving up the midfield. If you are "constantly dominated" with your midfielders having to sit on your own 18 yard line because they are being dominated and can't get out, then there is no control and inevitably when you do get possession the passes become longer and more risky to isolated forwards. Its exactly what we saw with Lamouchi (when people had worked him out) and Hughton. It just doesn't work, and when you add in the additional quality of the prem and the highly effective press of most of these sides if we give up the middle of the pitch we will be absolutely murdered week after week.

There are other ways of creating space for attacks and "break football" without lying down and playing dead in central midfield....

Well I look forward to these 2 40m+ central midfielders who can control ganes at this level...we should also send Linguard back because he doesn't fit the mold you want.

Under BC we had the likes of Webb, Wilson, Hodge, Keane, Bowyer, McGovern etc.

We just aren't there yet and can't afford to be. A player like Rice is our entire budget.

 

[Bsabser]

 

[Berkshire Red]

Let’s hope!!

 

[CampbellToTurkey???]

Come on Forest !!!, get it done !

 

[Omar Devone Little]

Massively need someone like this

 

[cheapseats]

Well I look forward to these 2 40m+ central midfielders who can control ganes at this level...we should also send Linguard back because he doesn't fit the mold you want.

Under BC we had the likes of Webb, Wilson, Hodge, Keane, Bowyer, McGovern etc.

We just aren't there yet and can't afford to be. A player like Rice is our entire budget.

Sure Calvin. I’m certainly not disagreeing that we need more in midfield. I have to be honest I’m surprised the money that’s been spent elsewhere in the side when this is a problem.
But somehow Coops has to find a solution-maybe we have to put 3 in CM or perhaps somewhere we unearth a gem-it’s happened before…
…and I should’ve clear I’m not saying we have to or even can dominate minefield, we just can’t be dominated, 50:50 or even 40:60 may do as long as we have territory at times that allows us to set up properly.

 

[Calvin Plummer]

Sure Calvin. I’m certainly not disagreeing that we need more in midfield. I have to be honest I’m surprised the money that’s been spent elsewhere in the side when this is a problem.
But somehow Coops has to find a solution-maybe we have to put 3 in CM or perhaps somewhere we unearth a gem-it’s happened before…
…and I should’ve clear I’m not saying we have to or even can dominate minefield, we just can’t be dominated, 50:50 or even 40:60 may do as long as we have territory at times that allows us to set up properly.

Swansea has 70% possession against us at the CG earlier this season. With our 30% we managed 27 shots, scored 5 and could have had 10.

I'm not saying we'll see that replicated in the PL but it will very much be the model we are looking at.

Really strong defensively, flood the midfield, deny them space in dangerous areas and hit extremely quickly on the break.

Possession stats in isolation are a bit pointless with the way we play.

 

[GOBIAS]

Swansea has 70% possession against us at the CG earlier this season. With our 30% we managed 27 shots, scored 5 and could have had 10.

I'm not saying we'll see that replicated in the PL but it will very much be the model we are looking at.

Really strong defensively, flood the midfield, deny them space in dangerous areas and hit extremely quickly on the break.

Possession stats in isolation are a bit pointless with the way we play.

That was unique though Calv. The football genius that is Russel Martin

 

[cheapseats]

Swansea has 70% possession against us at the CG earlier this season. With our 30% we managed 27 shots, scored 5 and could have had 10.

I'm not saying we'll see that replicated in the PL but it will very much be the model we are looking at.

Really strong defensively, flood the midfield, deny them space in dangerous areas and hit extremely quickly on the break.

Possession stats in isolation are a bit pointless with the way we play.

Sorry Calvin but you've just said we give up the midfield-now we flood it?.

I'm not talking about possession stats, I'm talking about the flow of the game through the middle of the park-we simply can't afford to give it up to premier league opposition and sit back. If you honestly think we will stay up by sitting back and defending and relying on BJ to pick the ball up and beat 4 players with his pace you are mistaken. Our defence is probably our strong suit player wise but if we let them be battered in and around our area for long periods my guess is we will get some absolute hidings. There will be opportunities for breaks but I don't see them happening from our area as much as they did in the Championship last year-clubs at the top level are too shrewd for that and my guess is Johnson is going to be heavily and closely marked by quicker, stronger defenders so we can't ask him to do too much to make chances.
So we have to have a competitive CM-if we do that we are in with a good chance if we don't I think we are screwed.

 

[Calvin Plummer]

Sorry Calvin but you've just said we give up the midfield-now we flood it?.

I'm not talking about possession stats, I'm talking about the flow of the game through the middle of the park-we simply can't afford to give it up to premier league opposition and sit back. If you honestly think we will stay up by sitting back and defending and relying on BJ to pick the ball up and beat 4 players with his pace you are mistaken. Our defence is probably our strong suit player wise but if we let them be battered in and around our area for long periods my guess is we will get some absolute hidings. There will be opportunities for breaks but I don't see them happening from our area as much as they did in the Championship last year-clubs at the top level are too shrewd for that and my guess is Johnson is going to be heavily and closely marked by quicker, stronger defenders so we can't ask him to do too much to make chances.
So we have to have a competitive CM-if we do that we are in with a good chance if we don't I think we are screwed.

Either you're not following or I'm not explaining well. You seem to have made up a narrative that's got nothing to do with my posts.

Kindly copy and paste where I said BJ would beat 4...

You do realise the opposition can dominate midfield possession but we'll still have players there? You know, tackling, intercepting, denying the opposition dangerous space, tracking runners etc.

Counter attacking football means conceding possession and space but in non-threatening positions ideally. Allowing the opposition to over commit and then hitting them quickly.

Also worth finding out what wing backs do, do you remember Spence? How much licence was he given? Was it ever BJ alone?

A fluid 5-2-2-1 easily becomes 3-4-3 in possession on a break.

You seem to have Liverpool fantasies, we just aren't remotely there yet.

 

[cheapseats]

Either you're not following or I'm not explaining well. You seem to have made up a narrative that's got nothing to do with my posts.

Kindly copy and paste where I said BJ would beat 4...

You do realise the opposition can dominate midfield possession but we'll still have players there? You know, tackling, intercepting, denying the opposition dangerous space, tracking runners etc.

Counter attacking football means conceding possession and space but in non-threatening positions ideally. Allowing the opposition to over commit and then hitting them quickly.

Also worth finding out what wing backs do, do you remember Spence? How much licence was he given? Was it ever BJ alone?

A fluid 5-2-2-1 easily becomes 3-4-3 in possession on a break.

You seem to have Liverpool fantasies, we just aren't remotely there yet.

Calvin

I'll duck out on this discussion at this point. Don't want it to turn into an argument and you know what we probably both have valid points and time will tell....

 

[Rzar]

Athletic say we are pushing for him more urgently now

 

[Omar Devone Little]

Athletic say we are pushing for him more urgently now

Wouldn't surprise me. Could just be coincidence but each friendly we've played has been followed by some pretty swift transfer movement, suggesting the performances and limitations of the side are highlighting more and more that they wont cut the mustard in the Prem.

 

[Haych]

No idea where he fits in the 11 but he’s got prem experience and knows where the back of the net is so we can’t argue.

 

[andover red]

I don't see how him, Lingard and BJ fit into the same team.

 

[Tobias]

Henderson
Worrall McKenna Niakhate
Williams Mangala O'Brien Cornet
Lingard
Johnson Awoniyi
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Not a bad side to put out if we can get this deal done. Yates and Richards to then come back from injury too.

 

[Morpeth]

I presume you’ve also promoted a youth team kid called Gary Mangala too?

 

[PynchonForest]

This guy I like, versatile and talented. Plenty of European experience, and Lyon are a top team. Burnley seemed an odd choice. He certainly makes our left flank more dynamic. Much more interested in thsi guy than I am Werner or Ramsey.

 

[Gary Baldy]

Get this lad in, he’s a good CF when he’s not tearing up the left side of the pitch. Everything says we should go hard for this fella

 

[Fawazzock]

I don't see how him, Lingard and BJ fit into the same team.

Thats kind of the point - depth. We want to be signing challengers for starting births.

Or do you mean on a different level?

 

[Red Dog in a Forest]

Get this lad in, he’s a good CF when he’s not tearing up the left side of the pitch. Everything says we should go hard for this fella

I’m hard just thinking about it

 

[EmmersonForest4]

Cornet could play LWB or LW in a 3 up front. He’s a good signing of we get him.

The club is showing real determination and ambition to stay up fair play to them.