Matchday 34 - Everton v Nottingham Forest - „El Fiasco!“ - Sunday, 21st April KO 1:30pm

[MC Plantpot]

Sorry but that’s bollo**s

Tell me more, I’m interested in your views.

 

[Any Time Now]

Yep. And it's the club playing shitty PR games rather than focussing on the actual issues we can control.

Control the controllables as a recent manager used to repeatedly drill into his players

 

[enlightened]

Unquestionably could have gone about this better across the season, but whether or not we go down, I’m under no illusions that this league stinks to high heaven and is driven by agendas just as much as football. As a friend of mine who doesn’t follow Huddersfield will point out: it’s quite possibly an agenda that got us here in the first place. Look at how news worthy we’ve been. Regardless, this is not the sport I love and the sport it should be, so I have no problem with the club speaking truth to power. It won’t end well for us. But I’d be more ashamed of us if we limped meekly off home.

Ditto.


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[sammy the snake]

We’ve gone through official channels several times before and where as that got us? Nowhere, so a different approach is required.

I agree with this.
They’re no longer the untouchables and it’s seems any official communication directly between them is basically ignored, never acknowledged. Why not take a stand? What do Forest have to lose then? The vast majority know what happened in the match.. the corruption is very clear.

It’s not Forest’s credibility at stake here

 

[Steve Chettles Brylcream]

Embarassing & classless.
This article may be long and 18 months old but it shows what type of owner we have.

The remarkable story of Evangelos Marinakis

The Athletic has spoken to people who have had direct dealings with the Forest and Olympiacos owner - and it is not straightforward

theathletic.com

DT is a confirmed fifth columnist these days, do better

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

If the club really are 'considering their next actions' then can I suggest the biggest statement they could make is for the players simply to not try Vs man city, at least for five minutes. Stand still, refuse to play.

Bring their game in to disrepute.

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

It's doubly depressing that the club is going to hide behind complaints about the ref and VAR (justified though they are) rather than acknowledging that in an absolutely vital game we put in an insipid performance.
I feel a fool for being optimistic about this one. It's been obvious for a long time that Nuno doesn't have what it takes to lead a survival battle. We're going to depend completely now on either getting some points back (extremely unlikely) or Luton and Burnley both failing to put a couple of wins together. It's pathetic.

You can say that it shouldn't because they are professionals, but, how much does yet another, and another, and another bad decision affect the team? The number of bad refereeing calls that have gone against us this season must be around 10 now.

 

[youreds1986]

If the club really are 'considering their next actions' then can I suggest the biggest statement they could make is for the players simply to not try Vs man city, at least for five minutes. Stand still, refuse to play.

Bring their game in to disrepute.

We have already done that many times this season, seemingly.

 

[Cortez the Killer]

Increased views for the last game of the season though.

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My belief is that the 'agenda' is to make the PL more dramatic. In any possible way. Basically it's edging towards WWE territory.

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[ubik]

Yep.

Victim mentality.

I'd be happier if we were blasting the refs after we won a game and saying f*** you, we won anyway.

Instead we lose games, Clattenburg is rolled out to whinge about refs. We send out childish tweets. And the players and coaching staff can all hide behind refereeing decisions rather than our own shite performances.

We should have had a clear penalty when we beat West Ham. At 1-0, and we didn't clinch the game until stoppage time.

So it could have cost us again. That day we were good enough on the pitch to overcome the shit decision, so no need to make a fuss (unlike Guardiola ranting about being forced to play a cup semi-final on Saturday not Sunday, even after they won!)

Of course it looks like sour grapes, but it's perfectly valid to question bad decisions that cost you points. Like the non-penalty when Dubravka brought Awoniyi down, at 2-2 with Forest on top. Even Newcastle old boy Shearer agreed it was a penalty.

A string of those decisions has added up to several points lost, arguably around ten. Forest have every right to point this out.

 

[Cloughie1975]

If the club really are 'considering their next actions' then can I suggest the biggest statement they could make is for the players simply to not try Vs man city, at least for five minutes. Stand still, refuse to play.

Bring their game in to disrepute.

They’ve been trying that trick all season.

 

[Mostly Donkey]

I think the PL has an issue if Everton go in to administration which they definitely will if they are relegated.
Their FFP points deductions have been soft. Not the first one, but the second and the potential missing 3rd one.
Call me paranoid but I think the PL brass don't want to see a club go bankrupt with a half built stadium. They need the 777 takeover or another buyer.
Just like they need the glamour of the Man City super squad so 115 charges gets swept under the carpet.
Did that cause the missing Pens through the season and especially today. I don't know. But as a Forest fan surviving on half the potential 3 year losses of other clubs and getting deducted the points that would see us safe I am not a happy bunny.
Selection wasn't great today either and to be honest I want to know wtf is with playing Reyna for so long, and why was CHO still on the pitch after 60 minutes. Also does Sangaré have any boots?

 

[GOBIAS]

it was a poor game and one im happy to have won. Penalty wise i thought the first wasn't, the second is a maybe and third one should have been. I have seen all those given against us this season and i have seen them not given for us multiple times. Refereeing standards are in the gutter. its not a conspiracy (although the top 6 seem to benefit more often than not).

i think you will be fine in terms of staying up. Luton dont win much. You will more than likely get some ponts bac this week (i think 2) and one more win should do it for you.

It isn’t against you, it has been bubbling away for a few months. I know Everton have had a lot given against them season. I think it is a case of football fans who have watched a played the game for years now not even knowing what is a penalty, offside or handball anymore. PGMOL are a joke.

 

[psycho]

I think the narrative about that performance is so different if the penalties are given as they should have been.
That said, I do think our official twitter account post is pathetic and childish and this constant whining is giving us a reputation for being perpetual victims which is just such a losers’ mentality.

 

[Lefkasman]

The bias could, probably would be, unconscious too.

He should be.

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[The Frog]

It's doubly depressing that the club is going to hide behind complaints about the ref and VAR (justified though they are) rather than acknowledging that in an absolutely vital game we put in an insipid performance.
I feel a fool for being optimistic about this one. It's been obvious for a long time that Nuno doesn't have what it takes to lead a survival battle. We're going to depend completely now on either getting some points back (extremely unlikely) or Luton and Burnley both failing to put a couple of wins together. It's pathetic.

Nuno literally said we weren’t very good so not sure what you wanted, a public tweet criticising our own players?

I think the scoreline is massively exaggerating people’s view of our performance. We weren’t good, but we created the best chance of the game and Pickford made a great save. We got in behind them twice in strong positions to score but were stopped with a handball and a foul. Everton created next to nothing and scored from 2 pot shots, one not even particularly good. It was always going to be a low quality cagey game but largely we were better in open play than them.

 

[Cortez the Killer]

If the club really are 'considering their next actions' then can I suggest the biggest statement they could make is for the players simply to not try Vs man city, at least for five minutes. Stand still, refuse to play.

Bring their game in to disrepute.

We did that against Fulham under Cooper and it didn't work.

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[Malwood]

I've never known a Ref , Linesman or now VAR ever get punished for being in the wrong so why bother complaining. Sort out the lacklustre team.

This isn't true. They do get punished by being dropped and today's officials probably will too. Doesn'thelp us.

 

[adam09]

Regardless if we think it's true or not the statement is embarrassing. Do it properly, do it through official channels, don't put it on stupid social media for the world to laugh at us.

Yes I think we should have had 3 penalties today and yes Everton got lucky with there 2 shots but I'm ashamed the way we've gone about this.. deserve all the criticism we get

We’ve done that before haven’t we?

We never heard any explanations.

We’ve not had any massive decisions explained.

Why didn’t Neco get a penalty? Why didn’t Taiwo get a penalty? Why wasn’t that Brighton player sent off? Why didn’t Kluivert get a second yellow?

We’ve had maybe one poor decision go our way, against Brentford when Turner brought our player down.

It’s incredibly disproportionate.

Even the penalty we got… it was v Brighton and funnily enough Taylor was reffing. He’d already given a penalty to Brighton himself when he spotted Chris Wood’s hand on Pedro’s shoulder making his legs crumble beneath him. No need for VAR intervention.

15 minutes later we all see Hudson Odoi tripped in the box. Lo and behold the selective vision kicks in and neither linesman nor Taylor sees it.

The crowd was going crazy, absolutely rabid. Forest about stopped playing waiting for VAR to intervene. Eventually Taylor gives it but it was almost like he was forced to.

Also noting Atwell was the ref at Old Trafford who gave the penalty to Rashford after he went down following a crush on the leg. Amazingly Atwell has no hesitation to give that even though he’s got f*** all view of any foul. Also had no hesitation kn sending Worrall off.

How can it be a coincidence that onfield refs give decisions against us but not one for us. It’s not like it’s a few times now.

And then there’s the Boly sending off, Maddison punching Yates, Brighton player not being given a straight red and Kluivert not getting a second yellow to name a few.

I’m sure there’s a few we might have got lucky with but not massive ones like these penalties we haven’t got.

You can also look at last season, those decisions v Man Utd. Maguire handball, Antony stamping on Dennis.

We try not to be bias but that’s a f***ing lot of decisions we don’t get v ones that go our way. I can’t see them evening out in 4 games.

 

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

DT is a confirmed fifth columnist these days, do better

"The things I could say...." every time there is some drama at the club.

Never pipes up when things go well, as brief as those periods have been.

And never actually spills the beans.

Little more than a gossip columnist these days.

 

[Beeston]

Posting this straight after the final whistle is another version of Marinakis going on to the pitch or chasing the ref down the tunnel after the Liverpool game.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Unquestionably could have gone about this better across the season, but whether or not we go down, I’m under no illusions that this league stinks to high heaven and is driven by agendas just as much as football. As a friend of mine who doesn’t follow Huddersfield will point out: it’s quite possibly an agenda that got us here in the first place. Look at how news worthy we’ve been. Regardless, this is not the sport I love and the sport it should be, so I have no problem with the club speaking truth to power. It won’t end well for us. But I’d be more ashamed of us if we limped meekly off home.

Great post, but I just wish the club would act with more professionalism and less emotion.

If we're walking this path, then a more considered response to the tune of "Recent refereeing decisions have raised further concerns with NFFC, and we hope to discuss and address with the PGMOL in the near future" stated a significant time after the match has finished, makes the club's point without coming across as cry babies.

We should still show the PGMOL respect, whether it has earned it or not.

 

[adam09]

Club have succeeded in diverting attention away from how crap we were today. Not one player warranted more than a four today (Williams, and Aina) Sels poor with the goals, MGW gave the ball away way too much, Wood anonymous, CHO did nothing, Danillo very poor, Did Reyna play?, maybe Dominquez isn't the saviour.

How was Sels poor for the goals? They both went in off the post and seen fairly late.

I thought itwas a fairly even game and if anything we created the better chances and looked more threatening.

Sums up the season. We’ve played well in most games and result doesn’t always tell the full story.

 

[sammy the snake]

I think the narrative about that performance is so different if the penalties are given as they should have been.
That said, I do think our official twitter account post is pathetic and childish and this constant whining is giving us a reputation for being perpetual victims which is just such a losers’ mentality.

Yes I’d also be a bad loser mentality if it’s clear corruption.

 

[Captain Sinister]

Sels did OK - the 2 strikes from distance were because defenders didn't attack the man with the ball.
I have seldom seen a professional team be so stand-off as Forest are.