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Matchday 34 - Everton v Nottingham Forest - „El Fiasco!“ - Sunday, 21st April KO 1:30pm

Everton v Forest

  • Everton Win - Kieran Dowell

    Votes: 6 8.8%

  • Forest Win - Kevin Campbell

    Votes: 45 66.2%

  • Draw - Paul Gerrard

    Votes: 17 25.0%
  • Total voters
    68
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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
enlightened said:
Kicking a players foot as he's about to control the ball with it? That's a foul.
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No it isn’t, not all contact is a foul. Reyna didn’t have enough contact to go down as soon as he was foot was made contact with. So to me the contact was not enough. That’s my opinion on it. I don’t want all contact to be a foul because it encourages players to throw themselves to the floor when they feel it which is what I thought Reyna did.
 
andover red

andover red

Geoff Thomas
EmmersonForest4 said:
No it isn’t, not all contact is a foul. Reyna didn’t have enough contact to go down as soon as he was foot was made contact with. So to me the contact was not enough. That’s my opinion on it. I don’t want all contact to be a foul because it encourages players to throw themselves to the floor when they feel it which is what I thought Reyna did.
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But it was at Old Trafford when Rashford went down after the merest touch. That's the point.

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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
EmmersonForest4 said:
No it isn’t but we don’t want a situation where all contact is a foul.
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It won't be, only if they, you know, kick someones foot from underneath them.
 
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Louth Red

First Team Squad
EmmersonForest4 said:
Of course I’ve watched it. How many people go down like that when they’ve been kicked like that? I’ve had the bottom of my boot kicked a gazillion times and never have I gone down like that. Yes there is undeniable contact but not all contact is a foul.
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You acknowledge contact which is a foul and a penalty. How you go down is immaterial.

What do I know having played for many years, run and managed teams, and attended more than 2,000 games?
 
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YellowBelly Red

Viv Anderson
toffeeblue9 said:
Don't blame any of you for feeling aggrieved about yesterday. All three penalty incidents were ones we couldn't have complained about if they were given. The fact that we all know that VAR wouldn't have intervened if any of them were given either makes the system a mockery, but it's also a reflection of the game that the ref had. You didn't play brilliantly (nor did we), but you still had the chances to get something out of it with Wood in the 1st half and Gibbs-White in the 2nd.

Not sure the post-match tweet was the best idea. The VAR Luton fan thing is a fair point, but I'd have wanted that to be made privately rather than call into question the integrity of a match official publicly. Still, again, I don't blame you for being annoyed and the tweet being a reflection of that. Not uncommon for one of those incidents to go against you, but three in one game must be hard to stomach. I'd probably be livid if the shoe was on the other foot.

Hope you stay up anyway. The league is, frankly, better for having Forest in it.
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Spoke to a couple of grounded Everton fans on the train last night, and they were well happy to "have got away with one". They also said that they would prefer us to stay up as well.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
EmmersonForest4 said:
No it isn’t, not all contact is a foul. Reyna didn’t have enough contact to go down as soon as he was foot was made contact with. So to me the contact was not enough. That’s my opinion on it. I don’t want all contact to be a foul because it encourages players to throw themselves to the floor when they feel it which is what I thought Reyna did.
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The rules of the tackle are pretty damn clear, Emmo.
You cannot tackle from behind, go through the player to get the ball.
I don't believe Reyna could have anticipated the kick from behind and when he was kicked he was already moving forward so the kick felled him.
Stonewall penalty all day long.
 
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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
andover red said:
But it was at Old Trafford when Rashford went down after the merest touch. That's the point.

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Rashfords was given onfield and I don’t believe that was a penno for me. However football has a problem cause some reds do see things differently and that’s a problem with the laws as they are grey areas. It’s like everyone interpretes contact differently.
 
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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
Louth Red said:
You acknowledge contact which is a foul and a penalty. How you go down is immaterial.

What do I know having played for many years, run and managed teams, and attended more than 2,000 games?
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Contact isn’t a foul and we all know that and I’m not saying you don’t know anything. All I do with life is play and watch footy. I watched foot Saturday and Sunday and I’m playing 5 a side tonight. I think we are all knowledgable in our ways. If contact means foul than that’s gonna make footy shite as you will have players who feel contact throw themselves to the floor.
 
Fitzcarraldo

Fitzcarraldo

Ian Storey-Moore
On another day, all four shouts are given and Young is off for one of em'.

Seperating out the non-penalties and the performance, the latest petulant act is just another pie in the face from the Cretan Popov. Further proof are his antics after the Liverpool game which showed him for the clown he really is.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
EmmersonForest4 said:
Rashfords was given onfield and I don’t believe that was a penno for me. However football has a problem cause some reds do see things differently and that’s a problem with the laws as they are grey areas. It’s like everyone interpretes contact differently.
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If you believe it was not a penalty despite being given on field, it must have ranked as a clear and obvious error.
VAR should have reviewed it and suggested the ref go to the monitor.
 
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NFFCForeverRed

First Team Squad
The handball was an obvious penalty because it came slowly at him and he moved his arm towards the ball. Also, the pass was going directly to Wood in a scoring position (hence why Young does all he can to block it).

Tackle from behind was all day a penalty.

First one in Reyna would have been very soft, the kind of penalties you hate to see being given as it just demonstrates how soft the game has become now.

Forest tweet was cringeworthy and childish and will do nothing other than get us a a nice big fine.
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Cortez the Killer said:
Anyone seen that interview with Young? What a cocky cnut. I hope someone snaps his legs.

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Came across like he had no idea how to handle the interview to me rather than being cocky. Abrasiveness trying to mask vulnerability type vibe.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Captain Sinister said:
If you believe it was not a penalty despite being given on field, it must have ranked as a clear and obvious error.
VAR should have reviewed it and suggested the ref go to the monitor.
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This is the problem with the way VAR works.

The onfield decision is considered to be correct unless it's obvious the referee missed something and got it wrong.

So we have potentially two identical challenges, one which is given by the ref and one which isn't, and VAR could potentially overturn neither.

With our non-pens the ref hasn't given it and the VAR presumably hasn't seen enough to disagree or call the ref over to the monitor.

But with the Rashford one there was minimal contact if any and the ref gave a pen but the VAR didn't see that there was a significant error (or another infringement which would invalidate the pen entirely, such as when we played Chelsea in the cup under Lamouchi and Mighten was offside before being brought down).

So yes, VAR should be clear to overturn a decision where they think the ref has got it wrong, and should have seen it, or didn't see it because they were unsighted, they should be asked to look at the monitor and think about it, at the very least. If they aren't the rules they should be.

The whole - has the ref got it wrong, is it something they would have seen, etc, it all works well enough to an extent but then they spend ages drawing lines for marginal offsides which the onfield team can only see once in real time from where they are.
 
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Apollo11

First Team Squad
Cortez the Killer said:
Anyone seen that interview with Young? What a cocky cnut. I hope someone snaps his legs.

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MaxiRobriguez said:
Came across like he had no idea how to handle the interview to me rather than being cocky. Abrasiveness trying to mask vulnerability type vibe.
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Not what he expected when he said his biggest wet dreams was for a bird to shit in his mouth.


 
Steve B

Steve B

Jack Armstrong
From a Palace fan:
I see Forest are being condemned by the establishment for putting out that statement where they were cheated by the ref and a Luton supporting var official. Long may it continue if you ask me.
 
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Louth Red

First Team Squad
EmmersonForest4 said:
Contact isn’t a foul and we all know that and I’m not saying you don’t know anything. All I do with life is play and watch footy. I watched foot Saturday and Sunday and I’m playing 5 a side tonight. I think we are all knowledgable in our ways. If contact means foul than that’s gonna make footy shite as you will have players who feel contact throw themselves to the floor.
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You cannot tackle from behind full stop.

You weren’t allowed to do it sixty years ago and rules on tackling have become much tougher since. As a young defender my peers made it clear to me sixty years ago.

I will not post a reply to you on this issue again because unlike you I have neither the appetite or time to waste on such a straightforward issue.
 
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