Matchday 32 - Tottenham Hotspur Football Club vs Nottingham Forest Football Club Sunday, 7th of April KO 6:00pm

[EmmersonForest4]

After that initial period we played a little more football. Ordinarily it’s a loss against a very good side. As I say most post match comments though the problem is the crap results against sides we should beat. So that means we have to come to places like here looking for points. If we had beaten palace we could shrug this one off.

Also I don’t want to see any whinging about the Maddison Yates incident Honestly Yates went down like a sack of spuds. It wasn’t a forceful “punch” at all. If a Forest player had been sent for that I’d be fuming. We do need a Yates discussion though cause he is so limited as a footballer and he is not of the required standard to start in a team style that we want to progress to.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

After that initial period we played a little more football. Ordinarily it’s a loss against a very good side. As I say most post match comments though the problem is the crap results against sides we should beat. So that means we have to come to places like here looking for points. If we had beaten palace we could shrug this one off.

Also I don’t want to see any whinging about the Maddison Yates incident Honestly Yates went down like a sack of spuds. It wasn’t a forceful “punch” at all. If a Forest player had been sent for that I’d be fuming. We do need a Yates discussion though cause it's been 6 minutes since I last brought this up and I'm starting to get the shakes

ftfy

 

[magicwoand]

Yates was all action on Tuesday and Played very well. Today his limitation showed, he looked awful in the first 20 minutes. A red card waiting to happen, to his credit he didn’t get sent off. The punch though…he should not have been lying down feigning injury when the team was under attack, it could have lead to conceding a goal.

 

[Tricky Tourist]

Yates was all action on Tuesday and Played very well. Today his limitation showed, he looked awful in the first 20 minutes. A red card waiting to happen, to his credit he didn’t get sent off. The punch though…he should not have been lying down feigning injury when the team was under attack, it could have lead to conceding a goal.

I don't think Yates was awful in the first 20 minutes; rather our entire team were awful, as we repeatedly conceded possession and misplaced passes. If I recall rightly their goal was the eventual outcome of Wood losing the ball and our midfield being caught out of position as a result.

As for Yates "feigning injury," he was punched in the stomach! No matter how hard or soft Maddison's pathetic pugilism may have been, this is football, not MMA. Whether Yates was winded or not, Maddison's act of violence needed drawing attention to. The fact that the officials and VAR did nothing about it is no surprise to most of us, but you can't seriously expect Yatesy to have simply soldiered on after being assaulted on the pitch?

 

[Mr.Chipshop]

"What a pig of a result. We slaughtered Millwall Spurs and had 257 shots on target. The luck was against us though and they scored the only time they got out of their penalty area. Still, we managed to get the debt down by nearly £1m during half-time"

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

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[marshal99]

to be fair, tottenham did score 2 great goals from unexpected source, not much sels could have done with them. That open goal miss by wood was crucial but he did score our equalizer so can't be too harsh.

 

[Mcbeth99]

After that initial period we played a little more football. Ordinarily it’s a loss against a very good side. As I say most post match comments though the problem is the crap results against sides we should beat. So that means we have to come to places like here looking for points. If we had beaten palace we could shrug this one off.

Also I don’t want to see any whinging about the Maddison Yates incident Honestly Yates went down like a sack of spuds. It wasn’t a forceful “punch” at all. If a Forest player had been sent for that I’d be fuming. We do need a Yates discussion though cause he is so limited as a footballer and he is not of the required standard to start in a team style that we want to progress to.

You are right it was soft but if Caddison is trying to get Yates a card then I think it also should be allowed the other way around too! Either way its still a (pathetic) punch and should have been looked at without Yates half dying!!

 

[Erik]

We do need a Yates discussion though cause he is so limited as a footballer and he is not of the required standard to start in a team style that we want to progress to.

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[garibaldi]

Samba's punch against Stoke was soft, but he was still sent off.

Rules are rules... Unless you're the Sky 6.

 

[Captain Sinister]

We watched the game on the telly.
Still can’t understand how the best shot converter in the World missed the open goal, and why he didn’t put the Palace-Identikit header away.
Bar Murillo’s own goal, all the rest were goals of quality.
2nd half we were completely outplayed.
Overall, the effort the team put in to whup Fulham seemed to have drained the tank too much.
The lads have a week to refill the energy banks.
3 points v Wolves probably now essential to our survival because the last relegation slot is between us and Luton.
The EPL/Independent Commission is unlikely to dock Everton more than 3 points because Everton are a big club, while Forest are small.

 

[JonnoSnr]

Yates was all action on Tuesday and Played very well. Today his limitation showed, he looked awful in the first 20 minutes. A red card waiting to happen, to his credit he didn’t get sent off. The punch though…he should not have been lying down feigning injury when the team was under attack, it could have lead to conceding a goal.

Have to agree. We all love Yates for different reasons but he was brutally exposed yesterday for his lack of quality.

Running around a lot and drawing fouls is all well and good but it will only get him (and us) so far. In tight games against the poorer teams it's probably enough to affect the game but against good players they just work it easily around him. For me central midfield is (once again) an area where we need to improve this summer if we stay up.

 

[stockers]

I’m Yate’s biggest fan, I thought he didn’t have a great game today but there’s no way he had a Sangare. And let’s be fair Sangare has had some terrible games and not got anywhere near the stick that Yates has had..

 

[Ricochet]

Giving good players time on the ball isn’t helping. The second goal should have been at the least closed down by any of our three players stood watching on the edge of our box. And the effort made by Yates to stop the cross coming in for the third goal was at best pathetic.

 

[Trents]

Have to agree. We all love Yates for different reasons but he was brutally exposed yesterday for his lack of quality.

Running around a lot and drawing fouls is all well and good but it will only get him (and us) so far. In tight games against the poorer teams it's probably enough to affect the game but against good players they just work it easily around him. For me central midfield is (once again) an area where we need to improve this summer if we stay up.

Roy Keane summed him up nicely at half time. "Great lad but goes down far too easily."

It was horrible to see Maddison toying with him in that first half. He knew exactly where to put himself to suck Yates into numerous clumsy free kicks. Once on a yellow, it pretty much nullified what he was in there to do.

Saying that, however weak that punch was, it was still a punch and the punishment is for intent, not force.

 

[Annesleyred]

Midfield didn't turn up second half.

 

[MASE]

Half expected the result, although certainly didnt think the application levels were that of a side fighting for survival.

Thought the precedent set v Fulham warranted the team selection, made total sense, then we proceed to respect Spurs so much we invite them on to our 18yd line for a 20 minute period that sees them get the crucial first goal. Clearly thats what it took to kick us into action, press the ball with some urgency, knock it about with some pace & get the eqauliser. Wood then proceeds to miss 2 potential game winning chances & the rest is history.

Second half isnt worth talking about, outside of the telling fact every substitution yielded absolutely nothing.

All told a poor performance, central midfield has absolutely no presence beyond MGW, who's clearly a step up in quality.

We've created another must win scenario against Wolves.

 

[Bonfy177]

Time to sack this thread off and get the Wolves one started ……Get stuck into the “yam yams” I’ll be coming in off my long run no doubt.

 

[JonnoSnr]

I’m Yate’s biggest fan, I thought he didn’t have a great game today but there’s no way he had a Sangare. And let’s be fair Sangare has had some terrible games and not got anywhere near the stick that Yates has had..

I see it as the opposite, Sangare has been mostly poor and most of the comments I've seen on social media want him to never put the shirt on again. Whereas Yates in a lot of eyes can do no wrong and has supposedly been stepping up to every single level he's been put in.

Yates is just marmite. In my 35+ years supporting the club I don't think I've ever known a player divide opinion as much as him.

 

[valspoodle]

During the promotion season I had the feeling that it was written in the stars. We were going up, no doubt about it.

This season it is also written in the stars. Nothing is going right, refereeing decisions, shots at goal just not going in, opposition players scoring their goal of the season against us, everything indicating that it just might not be the season we were hoping for.

 

[garibaldi]

Roy Keane summed him up nicely at half time. "Great lad but goes down far too easily."

It was horrible to see Maddison toying with him in that first half. He knew exactly where to put himself to suck Yates into numerous clumsy free kicks. Once on a yellow, it pretty much nullified what he was in there to do.

Saying that, however weak that punch was, it was still a punch and the punishment is for intent, not force.

Yates is the only player in our team that can dive like a Premier League player. Wins us countless free kicks when we're under the cosh.

Having said that he wasn't good enough yesterday, but the midfield regressed under Dominguez and Sangare, so perhaps he was as good as we should expect? I don't know.

Roy Keane is paid to say controversial masculine comments (they weren't controversial pre-cultural Marxism) hence why he dug Yates out for exaggerating a punch like sadly every Premier League footballer does.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

I see it as the opposite, Sangare has been mostly poor and most of the comments I've seen on social media want him to never put the shirt on again. Whereas Yates in a lot of eyes can do no wrong and has supposedly been stepping up to every single level he's been put in.

Yates is just marmite. In my 35+ years supporting the club I don't think I've ever known a player divide opinion as much as him.

People either understand the contribution of a hard-working, game-smart, physical player or they don't.

I love Yates, one of the first names in the team every week. I agree with some of the comments about his limited technicality but if you want that technicality as well as the good things Yates' brings in the same player then frankly that player isn't currently available to us and if you want to buy one on the market you're talking a player like Rodri, Tonali, Yaya Toure which in today's money would set us back £70m, £80m+.

Until such a point we can afford that then to me it seems blindingly obvious to pair Yates with a more technical player alongside him to balance out the central midfield two.

Folk who want two technical pivot players are just Football Manager players who have got used to winning with Gegenpress and ultra-high tempo, they're not thinking about real world defensive/attacking units on the pitch or what the purpose of two pivot players are meant to be.

 

[JonnoSnr]

People either understand the contribution of a hard-working, game-smart, physical player or they don't.

I love Yates, one of the first names in the team every week. I agree with some of the comments about his limited technicality but if you want that technicality as well as the good things Yates' brings in the same player then frankly that player isn't currently available to us and if you want to buy one on the market you're talking a player like Rodri, Tonali, Yaya Toure which in today's money would set us back £70m, £80m+.

Until such a point we can afford that then to me it seems blindingly obvious to pair Yates with a more technical player alongside him to balance out the central midfield two.

Folk who want two technical pivot players are playing Football Manager, not thinking about the defensive/attacking units on the pitch or what the purpose of two pivot players are meant to be.

For me personally I don't see what Yates offers defensively that Dominguez couldn't but with probably half of the ability on the ball.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

People either understand the contribution of a hard-working, game-smart, physical player or they don't.

I love Yates, one of the first names in the team every week. I agree with some of the comments about his limited technicality but if you want that technicality as well as the good things Yates' brings in the same player then frankly that player isn't currently available to us and if you want to buy one on the market you're talking a player like Rodri, Tonali, Yaya Toure which in today's money would set us back £70m, £80m+.

Until such a point we can afford that then to me it seems blindingly obvious to pair Yates with a more technical player alongside him to balance out the central midfield two.

Folk who want two technical pivot players are just Football Manager players who have got used to winning with Gegenpress and ultra-high tempo, they're not thinking about real world defensive/attacking units on the pitch or what the purpose of two pivot players are meant to be.

Dominguez covers far more ground for me and pressures the ball more whilst having far more techinal ability. So the net gain is much more with Dominguez for me. Even if Yates is slightly better at duels.

 

[Haych]

I thought we played fine and were just beaten by a much better team.

 

[MASE]

We have zero presence in midfield, Yates is limited technically & doesnt make up enough physically to compensate. He's been found out by referees & he's no use in front of goal.

This is a key area of the pitch, so clearly a contributory factor to where we are in the league. He's just not consistent/good enough at this level. He aint on his own though, as per we've f**ked up central midfield, like we do most seasons.

The space in behind MGW & co. yesterday was embarassing. They were queueing up at times, Id argue we need a three in there to compete at this level, certainly away from home.