Statto
Free Kick Specialist
Doesn't VAR check the shirts of the teams too?
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Matchday 28 - Brighton and Hove Albion vs Nottingham Forest. Sunday 10th March kick Off: 2pm.
- Thread starter Rockabilly
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Well, that is how it is used in the Bundesliga, yes.
On Friday, the offence was committed, Referee thinks about it for a minute and gives a Red card - VAR checks, and confirms the Referee‘s on-pitch decision - which was correct, IMHO.
oxonred
First Team Squad
You forgot about Boly being sent off for NOT fouling an opponent v Bournemouth.Possible red card: Moder challenge on Williams
What happened: Jakub Moder was booked by referee Michael Salisbury in the 67th minute after a strong challenge on Neco Williams. The VAR checked for a possible red card.
VAR decision: No red card.
VAR review: Recently we've seen yellow cards with contact above the ankle rightly not upgraded through VAR, as far as how the game is officiated in England anyway, such as Harry Maguire's tackle on Sasa Lukic and Moisés Caicedo on Ryan Gravenberch in the Carabao Cup final.
In both those cases the offending player was stepping into a challenge. This incident shows when the line is crossed and it's hard to understand how the VAR, Craig Pawson, failed to tell the referee he had made a mistake.
Moder sprints into the challenge, leaves the floor and makes contact with the Nottingham Forest player above the boot with force.
There's absolutely no doubt this is a red card, the sixth of the season not picked up by the VAR.
It's Pawson's only Premier League VAR error of the season, and what's more surprising is that he was on VAR duty for Ben Mee's red card against Aston Villa, which came in similar circumstances. But he was also on duty for the incorrect VAR intervention in the FA Cup, which saw Everton's Dominic Calvert-Lewin sent off at Crystal Palace.
Nottingham Forest have now had three missed VAR interventions go against them in the past month, the other two being penalties not awarded against Newcastle United and West Ham United.
How did the VAR fail to give Liverpool a late penalty against Man City?
Should Liverpool have been awarded a late penalty against Manchester City? Did the VAR have any grounds to advise Arsenal's Kai Havertz should have been sent off?www.espn.com
YellowBelly Red
Viv Anderson
Rob Jones was responsible for that. He was 4th Official yesterday, where Michael Salisbury was the referee, who was also the VAR official for the Boly sending off (not that he could intervene).
How close are these referees? Is it a small clique? Do they have secret whatsapp groups?
apondaway
Viv Anderson
Considering I linked to an ESPN article I would have to disagree with your usage of the English language.
That was clear during the game. Couldn't believe everyone slagging him off, saying it was a yellow. I was furious with the decision. Cost us, again!
Baronvon
Jack Burkitt
It's just absurd really. I know we're all in somewhat of a self absorbed bubble and it's easy to develop a victim complex - but I've legitimately not seen anything like this.
It's not just a case of getting bad decisions against us week after week - many are bad decisions which have then been inexplicably ratified by VAR review.
Even when we win, some absolutely unfathomable decisions are going against us - take Neco Williams somehow not getting a penalty when his foot was literally trod on as he ran past the defender - again reviewed by VAR and absolutely nothing given despite it being the most clear cut foul imaginable.
I don't want to go down the conspiracy route as that's a rabbit hole you can rarely escape from - and it also makes us as a fanbase look a bit deranged - but I'd defy anyone to say we've not been incredibly hard done by to a farcical level and it's cost us points we desperately need.
Maybe we're just absurdly unlucky, maybe it's delayed karma from getting lucky with VAR in the playoff final (because let's face it, we did) but, should we ultimately go down, it can't be forgotten.
Mr. Blonde
Jack Burkitt
This is where I'm at
I don't buy into conspiracy theories but I just cannot understand how a VAR check could rule that as anything other than a red card
If it's not corrupt refereeing it's sheer incompetence
It's Baggio
John Robertson
To say I was surprised when I saw the team was an understatement. I assumed we must have had a raft of new injuries before I scrolled down and saw the subs. Whilst I appreciate we have a squad to manage, I'm not sure we're good enough to spend an hour of an away game with our best 3 forwards on the bench.
We actually started okay and for the first 8/10 minutes we were on top & controlled possession. The decent started quickly turned though and for the rest of the half, we were hopeless. The goal was a new low in our set piece woes, a pretty ordinary ball put into an area where two Forest players should deal with it and we still somehow contrive to concede a goal. The 2nd half was a terrible advert for PL football. Brighton barely got above 2nd gear and Forest were incapable of putting them under any real, sustained pressure. Summed up by the fact our best effort on goal came in injury time and came off Kouyate's shoulder from 20 yards out.
Sels made a great save last week but apart from his kicking, I'm not seeing a vast improvement on the two signed in the summer & he needs to be much more commanding for the goal. Omobamidele was decent v Liverpool but he was hopeless in the first half on Sunday. I thought Felipe and Murillo looked a decent partnership in some of the recent strong performances, so I'm not sure why that was broken up. Murillo's passing was off, although not having anyone to pass to wasn't much of a help, however it was nice to see him have a dig from a FK.
Danilo dropped another stinker and bar one or two games continues to have a pretty bad season. Yates wasn't much better and between them they might possibly be the most limited in-possession CM pair in the league. Why on earth we shift Dominguez out wide to accomodate them is beyond me. That said, Nico was awful & spent the game losing the ball & giving fouls away but he's been comfortably our best midfielder this season and the key to the run in should be trying to find him a consistent partner.
Gibbs White was wasteful but was pretty much our only threat. He played a great ball to create Origi's chance in the first half which really needed to be taken in such a tight game. Was nice to see Wood back but bar one or two touches, he was pretty ineffective. Thankfully Taiwo, CHO & Elanga will be well rested for Luton...
We actually started okay and for the first 8/10 minutes we were on top & controlled possession. The decent started quickly turned though and for the rest of the half, we were hopeless. The goal was a new low in our set piece woes, a pretty ordinary ball put into an area where two Forest players should deal with it and we still somehow contrive to concede a goal. The 2nd half was a terrible advert for PL football. Brighton barely got above 2nd gear and Forest were incapable of putting them under any real, sustained pressure. Summed up by the fact our best effort on goal came in injury time and came off Kouyate's shoulder from 20 yards out.
Sels made a great save last week but apart from his kicking, I'm not seeing a vast improvement on the two signed in the summer & he needs to be much more commanding for the goal. Omobamidele was decent v Liverpool but he was hopeless in the first half on Sunday. I thought Felipe and Murillo looked a decent partnership in some of the recent strong performances, so I'm not sure why that was broken up. Murillo's passing was off, although not having anyone to pass to wasn't much of a help, however it was nice to see him have a dig from a FK.
Danilo dropped another stinker and bar one or two games continues to have a pretty bad season. Yates wasn't much better and between them they might possibly be the most limited in-possession CM pair in the league. Why on earth we shift Dominguez out wide to accomodate them is beyond me. That said, Nico was awful & spent the game losing the ball & giving fouls away but he's been comfortably our best midfielder this season and the key to the run in should be trying to find him a consistent partner.
Gibbs White was wasteful but was pretty much our only threat. He played a great ball to create Origi's chance in the first half which really needed to be taken in such a tight game. Was nice to see Wood back but bar one or two touches, he was pretty ineffective. Thankfully Taiwo, CHO & Elanga will be well rested for Luton...
oxonred
First Team Squad
Larry Lansbury
Viv Anderson
This is when we need to hear what VAR officials and refs are saying-like the rugby. And All this clear and obvious error is rubbish. Crowd and TV should be hearing VAR speaking to ref and going through step by step what determines a red and assessing whether this incident meets that. So ‘both feet off floor-yes, out of control-yes, there is no touch on ball, ‘it’s reckless and dangerous’. Then VAR advises ref to go to monitor. Ref then communicates his decision to the crowd. Even if not a sending off at least we get some rational and understanding why decision has been made.
Are you referring to the challenge from Omobamidele that led to the free kick for your goal, that MOTD2 showed to have actually been a good challenge?
BryanRoy22
Ian Bowyer
The referee's association, Premier League, and VAR, needs to be taken apart and freshened up from top to bottom.
You sense from the outside they're all going through the motions and in retirement mode or whatever mode. No wonder their employees follow suit.
As football fans, we cannot continue to accept this continual incompetence. Football clubs, fans, and player's livelihoods are at stake.
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Bhafaninpeace
A. Trialist
No, number 16 I think. Think the one motd2 was referring to was dubious, but he did follow through on Fati and think it was a foul, touching the ball first does not mean no foul.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
Even Dermot Gallagher said on Sky said on Sky that if you were giving referee training this is a textbook challenge that you would show because it had everything in it for the checklist to send someone off.
YellowBelly Red
Viv Anderson
Every commentator and analyst that I've seen, has said that if a red card had been given, then it wouldn't have been overturned.
So it a definite red card if given, but not a red card if it's not given!
So it a definite red card if given, but not a red card if it's not given!
Larry Lansbury
Viv Anderson
For VAR not to ask ref to look on screen is scandalous. It’s a clear red, but even if VAR were in 2 minds, then just allow Ref to see it. Really the Ref should be saying’ I’ve given a yellow however can u show me on screen as I want to ensure I have made correct decision’.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
Matt Davies made an interesting observation on forest focus yesterday. He said that he can't remember the last time a referee actually went to look at the screen. I realised that I can't either, it makes you wonder if there has been a new directive for cutting this down?
Larry Lansbury
Viv Anderson
I agree with Matt Davies that there is shift but surely the directives and approach can’t swing so dramatically mid season as no one knows what the rules or process is. The clubs would have a pre-season visit from refs etc to inform them of rules etc, now this might of well be scrapped.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
I also agree with that but there does seem to be a massive downturn in referees being sent to the screen. Something has changed.
If so, it can only be a Premier League-specific thing, as I can tell you that Bundesliga officials are still using the pitch-side monitors and guidance from their VAR colleagues.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
Which is totally unsurprising as we seem to go the totally opposite way to what works well in other countries.
Any Time Now
Grenville Morris
Same in Serie A
Red Ray's Redlist
Viv Anderson
If decisions have to be explained with reference to the rules it makes it much more difficult to skew those rules to the benefit of whoever is playing Forest.
Righto, Dominguez got one wrong early and then looked like he might get duped into another. Small niggles and theatrics. I’d file them away differently to the airborne two footer to be honest, but that might just be me. A team of professional referees with unlimited replays agree with you so what do I know
