Loïc Badé

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Overloading the squad with players doesn't help. As was said in that recent podcast, even if you put an 11 Vs 11 game on you've players who still have to sit out because of the sheer amount there, so the manager can't really get a proper look at them. We can't keep dumping tons of players on managers and expecting them to get the best out of them.

 

[HBB]

Seriously people, getting your knickers in a twist because a player we let go is now potentially wanted by another PL side, let alone Spurs... I couldn't give a tinker's cuss, next thing someone'll bring up Shaun Wright-Phillips

 

[Cureboy]

All I will say about him is during his five minute one and only cameo appearance in a friendly at Valencia I remember him taking on and beating three or four of their players, Murillo style. Had obvious confidence on the ball.

 

[coops89]

Seriously people, getting your knickers in a twist because a player we let go is now potentially wanted by another PL side, let alone Spurs... I couldn't give a tinker's cuss, next thing someone'll bring up Shaun Wright-Phillips

Funnily enough, I was looking through some old match day programmes from the 90’s and came across an article of Shaun Wright-Phillips signing youth terms. Always forget he was here!

 

[Thomas]

Overloading the squad with players doesn't help. As was said in that recent podcast, even if you put an 11 Vs 11 game on you've players who still have to sit out because of the sheer amount there, so the manager can't really get a proper look at them. We can't keep dumping tons of players on managers and expecting them to get the best out of them.

We still were in an injury crisis tho Alf, barely had a fit CB to our name. This lad is 5x the player McKenna or Cook is. But hey, we stayed up so whatever.


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[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

We still were in an injury crisis tho Alf, barely had a fit CB to our name. This lad is 5x the player McKenna or Cook is. But hey, we stayed up so whatever.


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How's the manager meant to suss that out if he can't get the lad much play-time to assess him because of the sheer volume of the squad though?

 

[Thomas]

How's the manager meant to suss that out if he can't get the lad much play-time to assess him?

Assuming since we were depleted of CBs he could’ve played him. Surely he looked good in training, atleast to the level of the old boys in cook and McKenna.


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[It's Baggio]

Considering we were having to bed in a new GK, full backs, midfield & attack then I can see why Cooper stuck with what he knew with Worrall, McKenna & Cook at centre back.

Bade's obviously a talent & has done well at Sevilla but there's no guarantee he'd have been a hit at Forest. He'd struggled the season before at Rennes, after all.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Assuming since we were depleted of CBs he could’ve played him. Surely he looked good in training, atleast to the level of the old boys in cook and McKenna.


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Training sessions often don't see players played in their natural position though. it's not like a live match, managers will be prioritizing getting/keeping their key players fit like a pre-season friendly for starters, and so those CB positions could have seen players like Yates play there to get time in his legs.

With so many players to keep fit, asses and rotate it's a tough ask to assess anyone at this club.

 

[Harry1982]

We still were in an injury crisis tho Alf, barely had a fit CB to our name. This lad is 5x the player McKenna or Cook is. But hey, we stayed up so whatever.


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Maybe it has something to do with the culture in France and footballers, the French manager we had his training methods were very lax to say the least, maybe Bade and soh were very nonchalent in training and that would go do like a lead balloon over here

 

[Thomas]

Maybe it has something to do with the culture in France and footballers, the French manager we had his training methods were very lax to say the least, maybe Bade and soh were very nonchalent in training and that would go do like a lead balloon over here

Soh was just unlucky really. Looked good against Coventry under Houghton I think, just got injured almost immediately that game. Then multiple times after that, lord knows why we’ve kept him tho.


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[BryanRoy22]

Honestly, I'm haunted daily that we played Steve Cook over this lad.

He never even got a chance here.

Not really sure what went wrong there because Steve Cooper introduced a young ball playing centre-back into the team this season.

My thoughts last season were that he didn't fancy Bade because of his ball playing style at a time where Cooper changed the team's style to be more defensive after taking some horrible losses early on in the season.

 

[Larry Lansbury]

Sometimes it’s timings - Forest may have messed up with this one or actually saved lot of disruption within the squad, not fitting style of play-impossible to know. But seeing as we stayed up and have some really promising, exciting centre backs currently I think we have done ok.

 

[Aussie Forest]

How's the manager meant to suss that out if he can't get the lad much play-time to assess him because of the sheer volume of the squad though?

I would’ve thought a coach can identify the talent a player has during training etc. we were depleted with injuries to our CB’s as well. There were opportunities for Cooper to play him.

I think Cooper personally, played too safe with selections at times

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

I would’ve thought a coach can identify the talent a player has during training etc. we were depleted with injuries to our CB’s as well. There were opportunities for Cooper to play him.

I think Cooper personally, played too safe with selections at times

I've already addressed the CB issue, and Cooper himself said to Carragher how much of a "nightmare" it was to put on sessions because of the volume of players.

You say there were opportunities for Cooper to play him, but he was under pressure to get results. So you can't blame him for not taking risks.

Tell me, how do you think a coaches week typically pans out to assess these players? Between fitness drills, set piece drills, match reviews, tactical talks, days off, gym/strength work, press talks etc you seriously think any manager can then analyze fully each players ability too with a squad the size of ours?

No wonder you all expect so much of managers lol.

 

[Huxley]

Maybe he’s a twat. Maybe he trains like shit. Maybe Steve dropped a bollock. Maybe he was just the wrong side of naive at the time. We will never know what goes on at the training ground anymore then we will know what happens at any other place of work.

Bit annoying but there it is.

 

[Aussie Forest]

I've already addressed the CB issue, and Cooper himself said to Carragher how much of a "nightmare" it was to put on sessions because of the volume of players.

You say there were opportunities for Cooper to play him, but he was under pressure to get results. So you can't blame him for not taking risks.

Tell me, how do you think a coaches week typically pans out to assess these players? Between fitness drills, set piece drills, match reviews, tactical talks, days off, gym/strength work, press talks etc you seriously think any manager can then analyze fully each players ability too with a squad the size of ours?

No wonder you all expect so much of managers lol.

Like any sport, a coach/manager should have a grasp of talent identification. A coach can sense if the player is good enough to play. A coach doesn’t need months on end to determine whether a player is good enough. If coops couldn’t identify him, then that’s on him.

I’m not saying he going to be a star, but to not even give him a chance is a poor reflection on Cooper

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Like any sport, a coach/manager should have a grasp of talent identification. A coach can sense if the player is good enough to play. A coach doesn’t need months on end to determine whether a player is good enough. If coops couldn’t identify him, then that’s on him.

I’m not saying he going to be a star, but to not even give him a chance is a poor reflection on Cooper

It's all on him even if the squad has a ton of players to deal with so making that task is 10x harder than usual?

Using "coach senses", which make needing to see them play regularly irrelevant?

Seems legit.

 

[RianBrice]

It's all on him even if the squad has a ton of players to deal with so making that task is 10x harder than usual?

Using "coach senses", which make needing to see them play regularly irrelevant?

Seems legit.

Nostradamus Forest. Got a certain ring to it, Alf.

 

[Aussie Forest]

It's all on him even if the squad has a ton of players to deal with so making that task is 10x harder than usual?

Using "coach senses", which make needing to see them play regularly irrelevant?

Seems legit.

I don’t understand your post.

Cooper did have coaching staff around him so it wasn’t all on him. You don’t think in their team selection meetings they don’t bring up players that are worthy of being in the squad?

Coopers sees these players day in day out. Surely he could’ve observed something in Bade that said “ yep, I’m going to give him a go to see what he has got”, especially with the injuries we had in Bade”s position.

You talk about squad size as though it’s an excuse for not playing him. Look at squad sizes in other sports which have nearly twice the size and yet they seem to manage their squads and identify the best starting teams.

I loved Coops but he wasn’t perfect

 

[GOBIAS]

Maybe he was a young lad in a foreign country and didn’t settle well initially. Maybe using Steve cook who had experience at the level and was a settled 30 year old man from the UK made more sense at that time. Maybe he’ll go to spurs and have the same issues and he bombs and is shipped back out again like they have done with many other players.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

I don’t understand your post.

Cooper did have coaching staff around him so it wasn’t all on him. You don’t think in their team selection meetings they don’t bring up players that are worthy of being in the squad?

Coopers sees these players day in day out. Surely he could’ve observed something in Bade that said “ yep, I’m going to give him a go to see what he has got”, especially with the injuries we had in Bade”s position.

You talk about squad size as though it’s an excuse for not playing him. Look at squad sizes in other sports which have nearly twice the size and yet they seem to manage their squads and identify the best starting teams.

I loved Coops but he wasn’t perfect

It's pretty simple, 30+ players is a LOT to handle, especially when so many are dumped on you in one window. Assessing these players becomes way harder with that many to sift through, and playing them is a risk...something which Cooper rightly didn't do as he kept us up.

No one's saying Cooper was perfect, but between what Coops said via Carragher and what Nuno says about the squad, I think there's a very valid reason why players like Bade didn't get a look in, and that's coz there was just too much to manage.

 

[Eddie Yates]

It's pretty simple, 30+ players is a LOT to handle, especially when so many are dumped on you in one window. Assessing these players becomes way harder with that many to sift through, and playing them is a risk...something which Cooper rightly didn't do as he kept us up.

No one's saying Cooper was perfect, but between what Coops said via Carragher and what Nuno says about the squad, I think there's a very valid reason why players like Bade didn't get a look in, and that's coz there was just too much to manage.

I wouldn't trust anything that Jamie Carragher says, he's a bloke that's so low he spits at little girls

I the case of Bade I just think Cooper didn't really rate or trust him

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

I wouldn't trust anything that Jamie Carragher says, he's a bloke that's so low he spits at little girls

I the case of Bade I just think Cooper didn't really rate or trust him

I trust this. I can't imagine having to look after such a large squad is easy. Nuno's almost instant request for a smaller squad certainly backs that up.

 

[Eddie Yates]

I trust this. I can't imagine having to look after such a large squad is easy. Nuno's almost instant request for a smaller squad certainly backs that up.

I'm not having owt Carragher says

Was Forest's squad really that big in comparison to other PL squads & even so I'm sure Cooper managed to assess Bade & make a judgement