Joseph Adrian Worrall (The Club Captain!)

[marshal99]

Good experience for the lad , should help him out to improve and be better.

 

[Ricochet]

Didn't see the game did he take a penalty and did he give one away.

 

[Barry]

No and no

 

[donny]

However, he could be spotted consoling the losing players whilst his teammates were celebrating...

https://twitter.com/Samwzd/status/873632883587547137

 

[Rzar]

However, he could be spotted consoling the losing players whilst his teammates were celebrating...

https://twitter.com/Samwzd/status/873632883587547137

Consoling? Looks like he's sexually assaulting him to me!

 

[Viktor]

Something our very own Stuart Pearce would have done after a penalty shoot out.

 

[Magamar]

Something our very own Stuart Pearce would have done after a penalty shoot out.

Unless he was the one that missed

 

[siforest65]

Something our very own Stuart Pearce would have done after a penalty shoot out.

He did that against Spain didn't he? His book goes a long way to explain how gracious the Germans were when he had to do a drugs test after the Italia 90 semi.

 

[Barry]

He did that against Spain didn't he? His book goes a long way to explain how gracious the Germans were when he had to do a drugs test after the Italia 90 semi.

Said he couldnt pee for a drugs test after the world cup semi final and had to wait with two Germans who couldbt do the same. He said you wouldnt have known they had won and it taught him something that night.

 

[Matt]

I know they're only kids, but Worrall makes the attacking players look like they're not even there.

His distribution looks better towards the end of the video, too.

 

[Heffing Psycho!]

I know they're only kids, but Worrall makes the attacking players look like they're not even there.

His distribution looks better towards the end of the video, too.

His passing stood out to me watching the matches looked really composed. Like you say though it's tough to judge him off them games.

 

[Matt]

His passing stood out to me watching the matches looked really composed. Like you say though it's tough to judge him off them games.

Keane-like, if you ask me. He's got the stature for it. You can see why Warbs prefers him.

Be interesting to see how that translates into adult first team football.

 

[stockers]

Keane-like, if you ask me. He's got the stature for it. You can see why Warbs prefers him.

Be interesting to see how that translates into adult first team football.

He'll never make it, he's not got the experience or limited skill or passing ability of Matt Mill or non existent leadership ability of Mance. He needs to have played badly for at least 5 seasons and be on £20000 a week to make it at this club..

 

[adam09]

Yeah, missed a clearance once. Mills and Mance never do that. Get rid.

 

[Barry]

Do they sell red tinted glasses in the club shop or do some of you make your own?

 

[MASE]

Do they sell red tinted glasses in the club shop or do some of you make your own?

Ultimately we have a plethora of inconsistent CBs who generally show no signs of improvement whilst making the same mistakes week in week out.

Don't think anyones overhyping Worrall, but the optimism comes with the fact he's at least a Forest lad, young, cheaper & showing signs of all round improvement with every game.

He'll be a better CB than anything else we have in time.

 

[Otis Redding]

Do they sell red tinted glasses in the club shop or do some of you make your own?

I think you're possibly being a little harsh Barry. Obviously, it's all about opinions, but as I said in another thread where his name came into the discussion, Joe was thrown into a low-in-confidence, poorly-performing side, with ever-changing centre-back partners; sometimes in a back-three, and then back to a back-four in the next match.

There was a lot of pressure on the boy to step-up and take the lead. Like any teenaged player in those circumstances, he made mistakes of course, but overall, I was highly encouraged by his performances, especially having closely watched his progress through the academy over the last few seasons.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Don't think anyones overhyping Worrall, but the optimism comes with the fact he's at least a Forest lad, young, cheaper & showing signs of all round improvement with every game.

This is the thing, he's probably on what, £5k a week? With Mancienne and Hobbs rumoured to be on £25k a week. Mills will be on less due to FFP restrictions when we signed him but he's probably got more substantial add-ons to bring him up nearer the Hobbs and Mancienne level. There's no way he would have signed for us, on a free, without commanding more than the £10k starting.

So, he's a fifth of the cost, is he a fifth of the player? I'd argue he's about par with what we have, he's certainly not obviously weaker - opponents don't earmark him as the weak link to exploit. He'll also only get better with him, he's only played just over half a season at senior level, so the game 'smarts' he gets criticised for will come with more experience.

CB's at this level don't need to be world beaters, provided they're strong and have some concentration then they can make it. Worrall will make it, so will Iacovitti. If we have a defence of Hector, Mancienne, Worrall and Iacovitti as CB options this year and we ship out Mills and Hobbs that'll save us £2.5m a year or so in wages. We won't get rid of Hobbs because no one will buy him but then I suppose my argument is we shouldn't sign expensive defenders in the first place because they aren't worth it like a quality keeper or striker is.

 

[congo_red_49]

Ultimately we have a plethora of inconsistent CBs who generally show no signs of improvement whilst making the same mistakes week in week out.

Don't think anyones overhyping Worrall, but the optimism comes with the fact he's at least a Forest lad, young, cheaper & showing signs of all round improvement with every game.

He'll be a better CB than anything else we have in time.

He's also the only player to come out of our youth system in recent memory that shows a flicker of being a future leader. No offence to Smith, Osborn, Cash, Brereton etc, but they're all fairly quiet lads who concentrate on their own game.

 

[Strummer]

Frankly I'd be astonished if Joe Worrall was even on £5k a week.

Mills can't be on more than £10k as he was signed under the FFP embargo.

 

[Barry]

I think you're possibly being a little harsh Barry. Obviously, it's all about opinions, but as I said in another thread where his name came into the discussion, Joe was thrown into a low-in-confidence, poorly-performing side, with ever-changing centre-back partners. There was a lot of pressure on the boy to step-up and take the lead. Like any teenaged player in those circumstances would, he made mistakes of course, but overall, I was highly encouraged by his performances, especially having closely watched his progress through the academy over the last few seasons.

I aint gonna argue with someone who has watched him come through the kids groups but i am going off what i have witnessed first hand watching the kid play for the first team.

This notion that he is a class act at present is totally lost on me.

Im sure some who only see the first team like me though dont watch the games properly or refuse to see certain players criticised because they have come through the kids teams.

For me at this point he makes mistakes that could have cost us very dearly and was pulled out the shit by others.

Personally id like him to have a season next to Hobbs who i thought helped a raw JL no end. Unfortunately Hobbs body wont allow that.

To be fair I watched a few of his u19 games this summer and he looked ok against kids his own age.... infact he looked a bully (in a good way) very much like Wickham did at that age.

He just needs to cut the daft stuff and like i said to chris a few days ago, if we had a leader to guide him and more importantly to bollock him youd hope that shit would be cut out.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

For me, any youngster under 24/25 can stay here as long as they like if they're on relitively cheap wages. They can develop loads in that time, and deserve the chance to too.

 

[GreeksBearingGifts]

For me at this point he makes mistakes that could have cost us very dearly and was pulled out the shit by others.

The centre-back position is one of the most difficult positions to trust young players. A talented attacker can afford to make mistakes -and to feel free to make mistakes- because mistakes up front do not cost much. A centre-back's mistake is always much more difficult, more costly and easier to remember.
It would've been weird if Worrall did not make stupid mistakes at his age. He needs to make such stupid mistakes, because it is only through these mistakes that centre-backs develop that sort of instinctive, bodily memory that allows them to be more trustworthy in the future.

Sorry to be using examples from Olympiacos all the time, but my best example is Kostas Manolas. When we signed him (free) from AEK, there was a lot of moaning from the fans. He was too young (21), he played for a hostile club, and he made one mistake after another in the first part of the season. But you could see his potential (speed, versatility, aerial domination), and with Olof Mellberg next to him he learned very quickly. He was sold to Roma for 13 million two years later, and now he's worth well above 30m.

Losing some points because of Worrall's mistakes, if indeed he has potential, is a risk well worth taking.

 

[Barry]

The centre-back position is one of the most difficult positions to trust young players. A talented attacker can afford to make mistakes -and to feel free to make mistakes- because mistakes up front do not cost much. A centre-back's mistake is always much more difficult, more costly and easier to remember.
It would've been weird if Worrall did not make stupid mistakes at his age. He needs to make such stupid mistakes, because it is only through these mistakes that centre-backs develop that sort of instinctive, bodily memory that allows them to be more trustworthy in the future.

Sorry to be using examples from Olympiacos all the time, but my best example is Kostas Manolas. When we signed him (free) from AEK, there was a lot of moaning from the fans. He was too young (21), he played for a hostile club, and he made one mistake after another in the first part of the season. But you could see his potential (speed, versatility, aerial domination), and with Olof Mellberg next to him he learned very quickly. He was sold to Roma for 13 million two years later, and now he's worth well above 30m.

Losing some points because of Worrall's mistakes, if indeed he has potential, is a risk well worth taking.

It was basics that at under 10s you'd be asking the kid what he was thinking.

 

[Dirk Furtull]

Anyone would think he was the defensive reincarnation of Andrei Silenzi. I'm with Mr GBG's on this one, I see him improving massively this season and becoming a dominant force at the back.
Give the lad time and don't be expect perfection at such an early stage in his career, which hasn't gone too badly so far.

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