Jordan Smith

[Captain Sinister]

It's a bit of a paradox: othere is only 1 goalkeeping position in the starting line-up and, being realistic, only 1 seat on the bench for the back up keeper, but 3 keepers are required by any club with ambition.
The third choice would, back in my day be playing every week in the reserves, so keeping match fit, albeit at a lower level.
Reserve team football has long since ben given the elbow, so that 3rd choice keper, essential for an ambitious club, gets virtually no football at all, unless and until first AND second choice are both unable to play.
Mind you, the extension of that paradox is, if the third choice keeper has to start because 1 and 2 are unable to play, does the ambitious club not need a 4th choice keeper as well?
Oh well, that would have to be the U23 keeper, who ought to be the rd choice becuase as U23 keeper he gets far more real game time than the current 3rd choice keeper who will be lucky if he gets even a sbniff of a start.
3rd choice keeper is footballs equivalent to the mechanics assistant who get sent to the stores for a long rest...

 

[Lard]

Before anyone judges Smith too harshly please remember that he had a centre-half pairing of Michael Mancienne and Matt Mills in front of him.

David De Get himself would have struggled with those pair protecting his goal.

f***ing Mancienne, What a shocker, He actually blocked me on Twitter because he couldn't handle the truth, I wasn't abusive just told him to play with a bit more passion and he didn't like it .

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[cheapseats]

Yeah you've got to question the ambition of the lad. Not going to get a sniff here. Just seems happy to not play and hang around in the background.

Role of the keeper is a hard one. The keeper in my lads team got signed by Leeds united when he was 13, then bought by Man City at 15 (for a significant sum). He was, as you might imagine an awesome keeper. In the first team at City for all age groups, then out on loan to some shitty NW minnow club (can't remember which), followed by loan (and on the bench) for B'ham. He was then let go at the age of 22 and has now given up on professional football as hes realised he is not going to get a break. City had dozens of keepers and he was never going to get a chance it seems.
Its the most fickle of positions and you know maybe Jordan is just happy here, in Nottingham with his family and is earning a damn good wage whilst he can and planning for what he does in a couple of years when it all ends.
You can call it lack of ambition if you like but maybe hes the one whose got it right....

 

[Captain Sinister]

Role of the keeper is a hard one. The keeper in my lads team got signed by Leeds united when he was 13, then bought by Man City at 15 (for a significant sum). He was, as you might imagine an awesome keeper. In the first team at City for all age groups, then out on loan to some shitty NW minnow club (can't remember which), followed by loan (and on the bench) for B'ham. He was then let go at the age of 22 and has now given up on professional football as hes realised he is not going to get a break. City had dozens of keepers and he was never going to get a chance it seems.
Its the most fickle of positions and you know maybe Jordan is just happy here, in Nottingham with his family and is earning a damn good wage whilst he can and planning for what he does in a couple of years when it all ends.
You can call it lack of ambition if you like but maybe hes the one whose got it right....

Old friend of mine had a similar tale to tale about his lad.
The boy sopped growing at 15 when he was 5 feet 10 inches and from being lauded as the next big star from hos club's academy at 14, he was told there was no future in the professional game for him.
8 years later he got stinking drunk and threw himself from a 6th floor apartment balcony.

 

[Frank Clark’s Tash]

Been at the club since about 2002 so almost definitely.

Cooper recently: I say both, but Jordan Smith plays a big part in the group as well, if you’re talking bout someone who shouldn’t go under the radar.

He's so far under the radar you'd need a sonar...

 

[Fawazzock]

Best number 3 we’ve had?

If he’s happy, the coach is happy, then he represents desirable qualities at a presumably good value.

 

[gamble]

Role of the keeper is a hard one. The keeper in my lads team got signed by Leeds united when he was 13, then bought by Man City at 15 (for a significant sum). He was, as you might imagine an awesome keeper. In the first team at City for all age groups, then out on loan to some shitty NW minnow club (can't remember which), followed by loan (and on the bench) for B'ham. He was then let go at the age of 22 and has now given up on professional football as hes realised he is not going to get a break. City had dozens of keepers and he was never going to get a chance it seems.
Its the most fickle of positions and you know maybe Jordan is just happy here, in Nottingham with his family and is earning a damn good wage whilst he can and planning for what he does in a couple of years when it all ends.
You can call it lack of ambition if you like but maybe hes the one whose got it right....

Well said, 1 position in a team which 99% of the time doesn't change is brutal.

May as well stick to a place you like, with a decent wage and not have to bounce around moving house constantly.



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[DizzyBala]

f***ing Mancienne, What a shocker, He actually blocked me on Twitter because he couldn't handle the truth, I wasn't abusive just told him to play with a bit more passion and he didn't like it .

That's like tweeting Sue that works the checkout at Morrisons, that you didn't like the way she scanned your items.
It's a job for footballers at the end of the day, not some divine calling.

 

[Lard]

That's like tweeting Sue that works the checkout at Morrisons, that you didn't like the way she scanned your items.
It's a job for footballers at the end of the day, not some divine calling.

A very highly paid job who I contributed to his wages , I haven't got a problem with a player who isn't good enough but the least I expect is someone to actually care and give it 100% effort for the massive wages they are taking home , Not giving a f*** and showing zero passion then you are just ripping the fans off.
Sportsmen know this isn't any standard job and in the real world if I thought one of my workmates wasn't doing his bit then I would tell them so.


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[BryanRoy]

A solid professional who does lots of coaching and community work. Almost the perfect situation for all concerned. Also allows us to get at least 1 of Shelvey/Hogarth out on loan next season.

 

[Notcher]

A very highly paid job who I contributed to his wages , I haven't got a problem with a player who isn't good enough but the least I expect is someone to actually care and give it 100% effort for the massive wages they are taking home , Not giving a f*** and showing zero passion then you are just ripping the fans off.
Sportsmen know this isn't any standard job and in the real world if I thought one of my workmates wasn't doing his bit then I would tell them so.


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One thing I drum into my U/14 junior side is that I know everyone is going to have a poor game at some point and that happens, it's inevitable and at some point almost the entire side will play poorly which again is inevitable and I'll accept it but effort is non negotiable. I'll accept the poor game as long as the effort and desire is there.

That played out in important game for us on Sunday, we're a very good side with talented players but barring 2 players we were extremely poor and just couldn't get the football going, however they all stuck at it and gave me everything they had effort wise and we nicked the game 1-0. I was pleased that all happened for their development because it gave them the best example possible of what I had been telling them.

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[Rzar]

Just seems a bit of a pointless extension though.

I would rather one of the U23 keepers take his place as 3rd choice.

It is not like he is a very good keeper anyway, I would not trust him at all if he was put in a big game. We saw that at the tail end of the season under Sabri.

Although I do see the merit if it means one of the U23 keepers going out on loan. If not, I don't see the point.

 

[Slim Jim]

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[Statto]

Fair play to him. He is no doubt a good pro and doesn't appear to be any trouble even if he isn't actually a very good keeper.

Certainly whenever he has been in the side we have conceded plenty and looked shaky at the back even as a usually defensively solid team under Lamouchi. And there was presumably a reason why when he was loaned to Mansfield he was eventually dropped from the team in League 2.

I guess the only time we will see Smith formally in the team is when we play Man Utd twice (and can't use Henderson), or if there is ever an injury or suspension to either Henderson or Hennessey, but even then we could equally use one of the other keepers in the Academy sides who have more first team potential. It does say a lot that most PL sides who have had third choice keepers have usually ended up with one who is more experienced but not really PL standard like when Man U had Lee Grant for a while. In any case I can't really see Smith being used much unless we have an issue and I can't see he has a lot of resale value either, not sure he's much good at Championship level let alone PL and maybe even lower.

 

[Trents]

Obviously just happy being at the club rather than getting first team games. 4 appearances in the last 4 season. Always found that a bit strange, Jordan is 27 now and still content to be 3rd choice. He must know he's not going to get much of a chance here, especially at this level. It'll be 2 seats on the bench v Man Utd this season.

He would walk into the first XI at most League 1 clubs. Why not go out, show what you can do and try to make the most what is a short career?

 

[marshal99]

some players are just happy to be backup , collect their weekly basic wages and has no pressure to perform. darren ward and stephen henderson to name but 2 are those that has no ambition.

 

[Ashley]

Can't blame him for staying here as long as he can to be honest. He struggled at Mansfield, so its not a given that he'd be a starter elsewhere; he could have left and still found himself as backup but on less money than what he gets here. If I was in his shoes I'd be doing exactly what he is doing.

 

[Frank Clark’s Tash]

Imagine being in a job where you there is no other requirement than to keep yourself in shape and remember to actually turn up for work, all while getting paid thousands a week. I would question whether it's actually good to have someone that unambitious at the club.

 

[Ashley]

Imagine being in a job where you there is no other requirement than to keep yourself in shape and remember to actually turn up for work, all while getting paid thousands a week. I would question whether it's actually good to have someone that unambitious at the club.

I think he should be moved on when his contract expires, but I don't blame him at all for accepting the contracts that Forest have handed to him (even when it is obvious he is never going to be first choice). I think any of us would do the same in his shoes, if we are being completely honest. It's unlikely he'd be first choice at any club above League Two (and even starting in League Two wouldn't be guaranteed).

 

[Haych]

A lot of young keepers know that they may spend 20 years as a pro but barely play, to a lot of them their job is on the training pitch and helping the other lads.

Honestly, I can’t blame him for staying here, the club must like him and ultimately he will retire having spent 20 years at a club local to him since birth all while collecting a good wage.

I know a few people who know or maybe knew him personally and he’s apparently a decent lad so I don’t begrudge him making a living as third choice.

 

[Strummer]

I do often wonder if folk forget that the football club isn‘t just about the first team, and that, in training scenarios, the „first team squad“ cannot just play games against each other, or a bunch of traffic cones, nor can they be hammering the youth team every other day.

It is quite feasible, for example, that the club keeps young (!) Smith around because he is an asset in training too.

 

[Tobias]

He'll do his coaching badges with the club and still be there in 30 years. Good on the lad. He's living something closer to the dream than most of us fans ever will.

 

[Omar Devone Little]

some players are just happy to be backup , collect their weekly basic wages and has no pressure to perform. darren ward and stephen henderson to name but 2 are those that has no ambition.

Do they have any jobs going? I'd be up for a bit of that.

 

[Omar Devone Little]

I think he should be moved on when his contract expires, but I don't blame him at all for accepting the contracts that Forest have handed to him (even when it is obvious he is never going to be first choice). I think any of us would do the same in his shoes, if we are being completely honest. It's unlikely he'd be first choice at any club above League Two (and even starting in League Two wouldn't be guaranteed).

Yeah I agree. He has to offer something other than living down the road and being a nice lad, perhaps he does who knows...

For me the third keeper role is either someone at the very beginning of their career or someone at the very end.

 

[Ashley]

I do often wonder if folk forget that the football club isn‘t just about the first team, and that, in training scenarios, the „first team squad“ cannot just play games against each other, or a bunch of traffic cones, nor can they be hammering the youth team every other day.

It is quite feasible, for example, that the club keeps young (!) Smith around because he is an asset in training too.

He'll do his coaching badges with the club and still be there in 30 years. Good on the lad. He's living something closer to the dream than most of us fans ever will.

Agree with this. He's not exactly in demand elsewhere, so why not stay at your local club, earn a decent living (which will still be an absolute pittance compared to every other senior player at Forest, so its hardly like he's rinsing the club) and do your coaching badges so you can move into the coaching side of things when you're done?

It's not the most glamourous career a footballer has ever had, but its not a terrible one either. I doubt he'll end his career regretting not having left Forest to become first choice at somewhere like Sutton United or Crawley.