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Joe Kinnear

Statto

Statto

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Green Jumper said:
It's fair to say Joe's spell at the WFCG wasn't successful, but the circumstances were largely beyond his control and his effort was never in question.

A friend of our club and a sad loss.
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Success in keeping that Hart side which had barely scored or won for 3 months up with consummate ease.

Came in and straight away realised we needed an actual LB and RW and brought Tank and Impey in on loan, scored 3 in his first match.

Ward (who was crap anyway IMO) got injured, Roche did the coffee thing and we got Gerrard in quickly enough.

25k for Evo and some bite in the middle of the park which we were lacking.

Then we lose Williams, bring in Adam Nowland, Kris Commons, Kevin James ... laughable
 
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Cloughie1975

John Robertson
Statto said:
Success in keeping that Hart side which had barely scored or won for 3 months up with consummate ease.

Came in and straight away realised we needed an actual LB and RW and brought Tank and Impey in on loan, scored 3 in his first match.

Ward (who was crap anyway IMO) got injured, Roche did the coffee thing and we got Gerrard in quickly enough.

25k for Evo and some bite in the middle of the park which we were lacking.

Then we lose Williams, bring in Adam Nowland, Kris Commons, Kevin James ... laughable
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Agreed-although Commons was a good player.
 
Ashley

Ashley

Steve Chettle
Statto said:
Success in keeping that Hart side which had barely scored or won for 3 months up with consummate ease.

Came in and straight away realised we needed an actual LB and RW and brought Tank and Impey in on loan, scored 3 in his first match.

Ward (who was crap anyway IMO) got injured, Roche did the coffee thing and we got Gerrard in quickly enough.

25k for Evo and some bite in the middle of the park which we were lacking.

Then we lose Williams, bring in Adam Nowland, Kris Commons, Kevin James ... laughable
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That summer transfer window was dire, wasn't it? Regardless of peoples opinions on Joe's time here, I don't think anyone can argue that he was dealt a very shit hand there.
 
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Cloughie1975 said:
Agreed-although Commons was a good player.
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He was, but for the remainder of Kinnear's time we had reidy at the club, no doubt digging tunnels to Spurs all the time..

So I think KC was signed as the inevitable AR replacement, which was good business from Kinnear because we did get a lot out of him before he klopped to the sheep, but as a result Kinnear couldn't get a lot out of him as it would have meant playing either AR in CM to play KC at LM or play one of them at RW.
 
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Ashley said:
That summer transfer window was dire, wasn't it? Regardless of peoples opinions on Joe's time here, I don't think anyone can argue that he was dealt a very shit hand there.
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Tbf all we needed was a replacement for Williams, no-one else major left the club that summer from recollection, yet we never got it.

I liked Evo and he did his best whenever he played but he was really only good at winning the ball and giving it to someone else. Though there was that absolute screamer he scored vs West Ham which broke the mould a bit.

I don't think Nowland signed until way into the season either - along with Jack Lester, who shortly after got a bad injury and missed the rest of the season anyway.

Kinnear, or anyone else, would have had to be a miracle worker to get that side working... Megson was totally the wrong choice as replacement.
 
ubik

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Geoff Thomas
RIP Joe Kinnear, but I won't remember him with any fondness for his time as manager here, may have kept us up one season but played anti-football.

Still, it's a sadder time when there's no Joe Kinnear.
 
Otis Redding

Otis Redding

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He was exactly what we needed at the time by halting the freefall we were in just by simply getting us back to basics and defensively organised. If he wasn't going to properly support him in the transfer market, Nigel Doughty should have thanked him for his efforts and let Joe go at that season's end instead of keeping him on and selling even more of the crown jewels, Dawson and Reid. RIP JK.
 
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Costanillas

First Team Squad
I had a few dealings with Joe when he was Luton manager and I was a cub reporter. Always nice to me, he was. I think he realised I was green and trying to do my best.

I'll remember his first months at Forest with fondness, too. The games were usually fun to watch and there were some good atmospheres at the CG as we climbed out of trouble. RIP Joe.
 
donny

donny

Grenville Morris
Alf-engelos Mindminackers said:
This is spot on.

Another manager who I'll always wonder how things would have gone had the top brass actually backed him instead of skanking him.

RIP Joe
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There were a few stories Joe told of his dealings with Marthur on the preseason tour to the US. Despite his bullshit and bluster that he could come out with, he was approachable and down to earth.
 
Annesleyred

Annesleyred

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RIP Joe. I believe he kept us up one year bringing in Impey and Rogers and Evans a £50k bargain. The match at Ipswich comes to mind. For ths match I was at the front row and picked up all the communication from Impey and Rogers. They certainly made a difference and for all the Rogers haters he didn't want to leave Forest.
 
Cureboy

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Viv Anderson
I was at the Rotherham away game where we sang "He's fat, he's round, he's taking Derby down Joe Kinnear Joe Kinnear" for the majority of the rubbish game.

Eoin Jess scored an equaliser with a couple of minutes left in that game after the ref awarded Rotherham a pen then changed his mind!

Never forget the camera panning to his face during the Derby defeat and he was clearly mouthing the words "We are Shi t"!

Football wise, they were awful times. Still, he did the best he could with the cards he was dealt.
 
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Annesleyred said:
RIP Joe. I believe he kept us up one year bringing in Impey and Rogers and Evans a £50k bargain. The match at Ipswich comes to mind. For ths match I was at the front row and picked up all the communication from Impey and Rogers. They certainly made a difference and for all the Rogers haters he didn't want to leave Forest.
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He didn't. Think he said as much when he was interviewed on one of those youtube podcast things (think they did Andy Johnson as well).

We were losing so much money under Platt and Hart and as he'd signed just after we went down and won the CH with us then gone down again, Tank was on a fair wedge.

I think at that point the bin dippers were in the PL so had more leeway with wages and stuff and we just had to get rid of the likes of him, CBW, Johnson, Stern John because we couldn't afford to keep them.

I think Kinnear initially got him back and Impey on loan for the rest of the season & made both deals permanent in the summer.

Tank had lost a fair amount of pace due to his knee injury under Platt & not playing a lot at Leics (think they had Callum Davidson as well) but was still a good CH full back. Not sure he even wanted to leave when Megson tried to force him out but as a pro footballer you need to be playing. Think he ended up at Accrington or somewhere didn't he?
JonnoSnr said:
It was single handedly getting the debt down from £40m to £15m that really impressed me.

RIP Joe.
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Yeah... thinking back I wonder if that was him being funny or genuine early signs of the dementia.

With vascular it can be a complication of other conditions such as having a heart attack or CVA which of course he'd had a bad heart attack already
 
Otis Redding

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Statto said:
Yeah... thinking back I wonder if that was him being funny or genuine early signs of the dementia.

With vascular it can be a complication of other conditions such as having a heart attack or CVA which of course he'd had a bad heart attack already
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I'd suggest it was typical of the type of hyperbole that wide-boy-type characters like Joe dealt in rather than the beginnings of any sort of memory issue Stat.

The football media, particularly the tabloids, encouraged that type of bullshit and the the likes of Kinnear would gladly feed them - in contrast to someone a bit more introverted like Sean O'Driscoll who would never resort to using clichéd soundbites in interviews.
 
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Otis Redding said:
I'd suggest it was typical of the type of hyperbole that wide-boy-type characters like Joe dealt in rather than the beginnings of any sort of memory issue Stat.

The football media, particularly the tabloids, encouraged that type of bullshit and the the likes of Kinnear would gladly feed them - in contrast to someone a bit more introverted like Sean O'Driscoll who would never resort to using clichéd soundbites in interviews.
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Yes, I think the point that he was a bit of a bullshitter and a bit of a blusterer anyway might have blurred the lines a bit.

It wouldn't have been out of character for Kinnear to have done something like that when he was at Wimbledon before getting ill or even at Luton so people would have just put it down to typical Kinnear bs.

I think the family said that he was actually diagnosed with it just after he had quit as DoF of Newcastle. This was of course a few years after his health forced him to quit as manager. I'm sure that was reported at the time as another heart attack though Joey Barton said on X (and he was a player at the time) that it was a stroke, so whether he has got that wrong or the reporting wasn't accurate (Joey is a bit of a blusterer himself too).

These things sometimes take a while to show. But as well as the interview where he called a load of journalists c**ts when he first joined Newcastle as manager, there was the one with Talksport where he got a load of stuff wrong, which could be typical Kinnear bs too, but also could have been early signs of the onset, which hadn't been picked up yet. And it would be difficult to know for sure when it started.

As you say, it wouldn't be out of character for a healthy Kinnear to come up with a load of waffle but also if he's struggling to remember things that would happen too. If it was someone like O'Driscoll then you'd know something was up but it would have been normal for him to spout crap as well.
 
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I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
Disappointed the papers didn’t mention his multiple titles of the moral league.
 
Otis Redding

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Statto said:
As you say, it wouldn't be out of character for a healthy Kinnear to come up with a load of waffle but also if he's struggling to remember things that would happen too. If it was someone like O'Driscoll then you'd know something was up but it would have been normal for him to spout crap as well.
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I disagree with you quite strongly about O'Driscoll spouting crap Stat. He was criticised from some within the Forest fanbase for treating the fans as intelligent adults and not responding to interviews with soundbites, therefore as being "boring".
 
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Otis Redding said:
I disagree with you quite strongly about O'Driscoll spouting crap Stat. He was criticised from some within the Forest fanbase for treating the fans as intelligent adults and not responding to interviews with soundbites, therefore as being "boring".
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"him" referred to Kinnear not O'Driscoll in that context
 
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