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Jake Taylor

BryanRoy

BryanRoy

Stuart Pearce
GreeksBearingGifts said:
You're talking about Giorgos Vagiannidis, of Panathinaikos. He declined a very big contract from his team in order to chase the Italian dream (he is almost certain to sign for Inter Milan). Good player, but somewhat overrated and a bit cocky (he demanded guaranteed playing time in his negotiations with Panathinaikos).

There's plenty of talent over here, the problem is, and has always been, the gap between the U19 team and the first team. That's why it's often better to acquire a 17-year old who has playing team in one of the lower leagues than hope that your home-grown talent will flourish outside the protected environment of the academy. We just bought a 17-year old left back, who was on the brink of signing for Willem in Belgium. He played in a semi-professional league, but was a starter from the age of 16.

Many foreign clubs send scouts in our development tournaments and Italian clubs in particular lure several players each year to Italy. The bigger clubs tie down young players early on (we have 30 professional contracts in our U19 and U17 teams), but the smaller clubs cannot afford to.


PAOK seems to have the better U19 in the last couple of seasons, I think we have a good group in our U17. But there's no point in mentioning names, because I've seen too many extremely talented 17-year-olds not making it at a high level.

An example should suffice: the left back of our U19 team, Apostolos Martinis, 19, is, on paper, an extremely talented player. Lightning fast, solid in his defensive duties, very good going forward, excellent technique with the ball at his feet, good dribbler, good in passing game, fearless, good finisher. But there were spells of 5-10 minutes in a couple of games I watched him when his mind seemed to completely turn off, and during which he made one blunder after another. You may get away with that sort of inconsistency in a youth team, but not in a first team.
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Not sure Inter Milan is the right club either. Got loads of good young players but rarely get them involved.

I always say to myself when you see young talent, if they the best of their generation then with the right encouragement and opportunity they should make the grade but those are few and far between. They the unique one's.

There are many that fit a lot of the categories required and you see the talent/right attitude but only until they get to train with the first team and possibly get senior football and build confidence can you make a more determined judgement. Many young players are in this category. They can go on to play at a high level, drop down level(s) and still have a good career or fall out of the game.

The Martinis situation is interesting. I suppose if there has been regular communication with him about and he still keeps switching off for periods in games then it will come down a lot to coaches decisions. This is where coaches earn their mustard. Still believe in the talent and challenge him or does he need a new environment ? Each case is different.

Only have to look at Toby Edser. Same age group as Jake Taylor. Been given more opportunities to be with the first team but he has had unsuccessful loans whilst Jake Taylor has thrived on loan and in senior football and earned the opportunity to train with the first team in build-up to next season.
 
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BryanRoy

BryanRoy

Stuart Pearce
Loads of clubs are interested in Jake Taylor but it looks like he is definitely starting pre-season with the Forest First Team. Sabri wants to look at him for at least 2 weeks before making a decision on his immediate future.
 
Heffing Psycho!

Heffing Psycho!

Steve Chettle
BryanRoy said:
Loads of clubs are interested in Jake Taylor but it looks like he is definitely starting pre-season with the Forest First Team. Sabri wants to look at him for at least 2 weeks before making a decision on his immediate future.
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Tricky decision. Obvious next step is to get him out to League One and get him 40 odd games (be fantastic if Oxford wanted him and stuck him next to McGuane) but if Watson is leaving it'd be great to be able to replace him directly from the academy should Taylor make an impression. This might be where the extended window comes in handy, he could have the cup game and a run out in the league to see if he's ready, if not we've still got time to get him a loan and get another midfielder in.
 
BryanRoy

BryanRoy

Stuart Pearce
Heffing Psycho! said:
Tricky decision. Obvious next step is to get him out to League One and get him 40 odd games (be fantastic if Oxford wanted him and stuck him next to McGuane) but if Watson is leaving it'd be great to be able to replace him directly from the academy should Taylor make an impression. This might be where the extended window comes in handy, he could have the cup game and a run out in the league to see if he's ready, if not we've still got time to get him a loan and get another midfielder in.
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Summed it up well. Be interesting to see what happens.

I will never forget watching an u23 game v Leicester. We had no Johnson, Appiah, Mighten because they were on international duty.

The Leicester team was older than ours still and bigger as they usually are. They had Hamza Choudhury and Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall (who dominated his L1 loan with Blackpool last season & now training with their first team) in midfield and our midfield 3 of Tyrese Fornah, Ryan Yates and Jake Taylor absolutely smashed them. They also couldn't touch Jayden Richardson bombing down the flank all night.

Here is the game : http://youthhawk.co.uk/w/index.php/Leicester_City_1-2_Nottingham_Forest_(2018-19_Premier_League_Cup)
 
BryanRoy

BryanRoy

Stuart Pearce
Alf-aSemedoBlueJeans&Chinos said:
Have you seen much of him mate?
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Yeah mate. Been with the club about 6 years now.

Extremely versatile. Played all midfield positions and other positions.

But he is an all-rounder. Can do a bit of everything but definitely should be utilised as a midfielder to get into goalscoring positions. 8 or 10. In many ways Brennan has kept him in the shadow.
 
Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
BryanRoy said:
Yeah mate. Been with the club about 6 years now.

Extremely versatile. Played all midfield positions and other positions.

But he is an all-rounder. Can do a bit of everything but definitely should be utilised as a midfielder to get into goalscoring positions. 8 or 10. In many ways Brennan has kept him in the shadow.
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Nicely :)

Be great to have some versatility on the bench again. Think Lamouchi would have benefited from keeping Osborn big time last year, and given such an option, will allow him to select other options based more on tactics than cover.

Johnson's got it in him for sure, just needs to grow into the game at this level. You think next year, or still too soon (I'm leaning too soon still)?
 
BryanRoy

BryanRoy

Stuart Pearce
It was good to see Jake Taylor in our pre-season game at Nottingham Forest.

We came away 2-1 winners and could take a lot from the game, but so could he because I thought he was their best player.

Jake Taylor started and did really well. Danny Pugh was talking to some of their staff and, by all accounts, Jake is really pushing for a first team place.

It just goes to show what a loan can do for a player. Who knows, he might have been on the verge of being released before he came to us last season. But now he has signed a new deal with Forest and really pushed on.
 
S

stockers

Jack Armstrong
Yeah very encouraging, glad he sounds like he’s mixing it, another good prospect by the sounds of it..
 
R

redreni

A. Trialist
hopefully can force himself onto the bench. we are crying out for someone who can get forward and score goals. we cant keep selecting the same type of midfielder again and again...or can we.
 
Red bandit

Red bandit

Geoff Thomas
It’s interesting that top teams like Man City can play their young players ( 17 year old Liam Delap came on against Leicester last night) whilst ours hardly get a sniff.
 
Carlos

Carlos

Massive Member
Red bandit said:
It’s interesting that top teams like Man City can play their young players ( 17 year old Liam Delap came on against Leicester last night) whilst ours hardly get a sniff.
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It's really easy when the main players are injured. Unlucky that they ended up losing 5-2
 
Ashley

Ashley

Steve Chettle
Seemingly off to Scunthorpe on loan.

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Master Yates

Master Yates

John Robertson
Alf-engelos Mindminackers said:
Good luck Jake.

What a great name Jake is. Reminds me of Jake Wyler......

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“All I said was: "I'm pretending to whisper a big secret in your ear so that Jake here thinks I'm telling you a secret, which will cause him to break into a hysterical confession where he actually reveals a big secret. Thus confirming everything I just whispered in your ear."

:LOL:


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Ashley

Ashley

Steve Chettle
Confirmed.

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