Incident Involving Billy Sharp

[Rzar]

But when the incident with Billy happened he was just standing on the side idly watching? This incident or the McBurnie incident wouldn’t have happened if they prioritized getting inside.

Cooper was in before them?

All of the incidents that happened would not happen if players got off the pitch quickly. It should be protocol for all players when pitch invasions happen.

Sharp & McBurnie hanging around the sidelines despite the pitch invasion happening many minutes before, Viera slowly plodding off the pitch, the Swindon players just standing in the centre circle. All incidents will be avoided if they just got off the pitch and didn't invite trouble, go to the sidelines and walk off that way so you avoid crowds.

You are never gonna stop pitch invasions, as said above when they are done peacfully they add to the occasion. They are moments of huge relief.

 

[T.B.T.]

In fairness to the Police, they were able to cordon and contain the Sheffield United fans well. I dread to think what would have happened had the fans mixed on the pitch.

There clearly isn’t enough resource to police every stand in the same way for home fans and stewards really aren’t the answer.

Maybe they should have allowed for two rows of the red and white tape instead of one.

In my opinion, examples need to be made of those invading the pitch as a deterrent in the form of arrests, fines and banning orders. Fencing cannot make a return.

 

[Thomas]

All of the incidents that happened would not happen if players got off the pitch quickly. It should be protocol for all players when pitch invasions happen.

Sharp & McBurnie hanging around the sidelines despite the pitch invasion happening many minutes before, Viera slowly plodding off the pitch, the Swindon players just standing in the centre circle. All incidents will be avoided if they just got off the pitch and didn't invite trouble, go to the sidelines and walk off that way so you avoid crowds.

You are never gonna stop pitch invasions, as said above when they are done peacfully they add to the occasion. They are moments of huge relief.

Exactly mate.


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[Thomas]

The players responsibility to run off the pitch incase they're attacked? Sorry that's BS.

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It’s not BS when it’s the exact reason why many DONT want pitch invasion’s to happen!


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[Dirk Furtull]

All of the incidents that happened would not happen if players got off the pitch quickly. It should be protocol for all players when pitch invasions happen.

Sharp & McBurnie hanging around the sidelines despite the pitch invasion happening many minutes before, Viera slowly plodding off the pitch, the Swindon players just standing in the centre circle. All incidents will be avoided if they just got off the pitch and didn't invite trouble, go to the sidelines and walk off that way so you avoid crowds.

You are never gonna stop pitch invasions, as said above when they are done peacfully they add to the occasion. They are moments of huge relief.

Let's remember the pitch is the working environment for the players, coaches etc..Not sure I'd be happy potentially being attacked at work.

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[Barry]

The idiot who butted Billy Sharp apparently turned himself in to the plod, according to Nottinghamshire Constabulary.

Problem is, when you got hundreds and hundreds streaming onto the pitch, who do you identify them individually, unless they’re very distinctive or someone grasses them up?

Social media, idiots love clout

 

[gamble]

The players responsibility to run off the pitch incase they're attacked? Sorry that's BS.

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It's the equivalent of "well if she didn't walk down that dark alley she wouldn't have got attacked".

Nah, deal with the bellends on the pitch. If you cant celebrate in your seat then don't come to the game.

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[Dirk Furtull]

It’s not BS when it’s the exact reason why many DONT want pitch invasion’s to happen!


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It's illegal to go on the pitch as a fan. Simple, shouldn't happen and it's not the players responsibility to avoid being attacked at work.

I'll leave it there.

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[Mr RayReardon]

You can't stop it without doing things no one would support, like a fence or shooting fans in site with a rifle. Now, whilst this would undoubtedly probably make an improvement to the average quality of individual in society , it is possibly a step too far.

One thing I think could work would be to have a security/ police escort for all opposition players (at least) to get them off the pitch as soon as the whistle goes. If you are assigned to a specific player, you need to run and get them off the pitch ASAP.

Yep. I've read an economics paper with a similar plan to stop drink drivers - any body found guilty, line them up and shoot them on the spot!

The reality is, for a one off person, banning order is sufficient deterrent for most - because they know they'll get caught. When fans do it in huge numbers it's impossible to stop. Pitch invasions will happen at the end of a season when emotions are raw - I think we just have to hope that attacks, like the one on Billy, are very rare and severely dealt with. There's a huge difference between someone spilling on the pitch to celebrate with their heroes and planting a running headbutt on someone.



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[Thomas]

It's illegal to go on the pitch as a fan. Simple, shouldn't happen and it's not the players responsibility to avoid being attacked at work.

I'll leave it there.

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Very stubborn way to look at it. What’s an easier way to to eliminate all the negative outcomes, handling a thousand fans running full pelt into the pitch or telling an opposition team to get off the pitch? I’m not saying do nothing with the fans, by all means ban 1000 fans if you want but all I’m saying is any altercation we’ve seen the past few days WOULDNT have happened if the players got off the pitch.

Make sure the players are safe then find ways to deal with pitch invasions, if you want.


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[incident]

The club could dramatically reduce the chances of this happening again in the near future - if 2-300 people got E-Mails next week saying "We've identified you entered the field of play, and as a result have issued you with a one match ban - this takes effect immediately and so we've cancelled your Wembley ticket.". That'd kick off a shitstorm of unhappy people on social media, which would be enough to make most other people think twice next time. Assuming the CCTV systems were working on the night, they do have sufficient coverage to easily do this.

The problem is that most people on the pitch won't feel like they were doing anything wrong (and aside from the actual entering the field of play, most probably didn't do anything else) - so any action like that initiated by the club would lead to significant resentment.

It feels like a cop-out answer, but in situations like this the CCTV footage and seat databases should be turned over to the League, so that they can play bad guy. If it's left to the clubs (not just Forest, almost any club) then they'll naturally be reluctant to piss off their own customers.

 

[Carvel]

Yep. I've read an economics paper with a similar plan to stop drink drivers - any body found guilty, line them up and shoot them on the spot!

The reality is, for a one off person, banning order is sufficient deterrent for most - because they know they'll get caught. When fans do it in huge numbers it's impossible to stop. Pitch invasions will happen at the end of a season when emotions are raw - I think we just have to hope that attacks, like the one on Billy, are very rare and severely dealt with. There's a huge difference between someone spilling on the pitch to celebrate with their heroes and planting a running headbutt on someone.



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True. But those breaking the law and running on to the pitch provide an excuse and cover for others to break worse laws.

It's actually not very difficult to not run on the pitch. You just don't run on the pitch. Very few will do it randomly or spontaneously. The first few were ALWAYS going to run on the rest are sheep.

 

[Mr RayReardon]

True. But those breaking the law and running on to the pitch provide an excuse and cover for others to break worse laws.

It's actually not very difficult to not run on the pitch. You just don't run on the pitch. Very few will do it randomly or spontaneously. The first few were ALWAYS going to run on the rest are sheep.

Agreed mate, it's very easy to celebrate in your seat. It's also very hard to stop thousands of people rushing onto the pitch as well. The only chance would be stop the first 50-100 and arrest them in front of onlooking followers.



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[Bryn Gunn]

Did anything negative happened when we pitched invaded after surviving a few years back?

No, not that I recall.

It is a criminal offence though, let's remember

It is and so is taking flares into stadiums amongst many other things that happen regularly.

However, common sense has prevailed in understanding that in the moment these things can happen and the authorities have given some leeway. Usually they pass without incident but this last week they haven’t.
There has been calls for small fencing before now, just a height that gives stewards time to react, not the cages of the 1980’s.

 

[Raymondo Ponte']

I'm a bit too passionate for me own good so I get the urge to get on the pitch.

I'd do the fukka every game.

 

[gamble]

Very stubborn way to look at it. What’s an easier way to to eliminate all the negative outcomes, handling a thousand fans running full pelt into the pitch or telling an opposition team to get off the pitch? I’m not saying do nothing with the fans, by all means ban 1000 fans if you want but all I’m saying is any altercation we’ve seen the past few days WOULDNT have happened if the players got off the pitch.

Make sure the players are safe then find ways to deal with pitch invasions, if you want.


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Like Olsen for Villa today, he was trying to get off the pitch but was assaulted at least 3 times.. what a bastard how dare he still be on the pitch, should be a 3 match ban for him as he could have stopped all that by sprinting full speed off the pitch.

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[Mr. Blonde]

It is and so is taking flares into stadiums amongst many other things that happen regularly.

People should be reprimanded for those things too. Especially flares.

 

[Timothy Pope]

Don’t fence the fans out - fence the players in.
If fencing was where the advertising boards are - with all seater stadiums, there is little chance of a repeat of Hillsborough.


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[cheapseats]

But when the incident with Billy happened he was just standing on the side idly watching? This incident or the McBurnie incident wouldn’t have happened if they prioritized getting inside.

Cooper was in before them?

Exactly-Billy was hanging around, several of the Sheff U bench were walking in the opposite direction to the tunnel and then nasty things start to happen. For the umpteenth time no one condoning what happened to Billy Sharp but where is the sense of self preservation?. They know what the atmosphere was like because they helped create it. Its a bit like when you are 18 and you first start to learn that 6th sense for danger when things are going to kick off in a pub or club or on the street, you learn to get your head down, cross the road and walk quickly the other way.

I'm afraid there are too many people involved in the game who probably fancy a bit of afters-there were far too many clips of people, like Viera this weekend wandering around casually swinging his boot at the plebs that came near him. If football has a problem it isn't just with the fans...

 

[valspoodle]

Snipers on the roof. That'll sort 'em out.

Then ban all the rest. Have empty stadiums. No invasions during covid lockdowns was there.

 

[David Layne]

Snipers on the roof. That'll sort 'em out.
I've had sniper training.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Don’t fence the fans out - fence the players in.
If fencing was where the advertising boards are - with all seater stadiums, there is little chance of a repeat of Hillsborough.

That's very much just the flip side of a shit coin

 

[GOBIAS]

Old Wembley (in the 90’s) had some sort of contraption that tangled fans up. But could be retracted if there was the need for an emergency exit. Maybe that could work.

I have no problem with exuberant invasions. But why oh why a small amount want you get involved with opposition players is beyond me and utterly disgraceful. As usual the odd few ruin it for everyone

 

[Bonalair]

First 100 on the pitch get charged and banned. You stop the first 100, it never happens.

 

[Rzar]

Let's remember the pitch is the working environment for the players, coaches etc..Not sure I'd be happy potentially being attacked at work.

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I am not disputing that at all and completely agree.

But what has happened happened when the pitch has been invaded, protocol should be to get off the pitch when that has happened, not hang around waiting for something to happen.