Incident Involving Billy Sharp

[Bonfy177]

Is there a thread for famous Forest fans ? Sling Zoe in the mix if there is,

news of your thoughtfulness/kindness has even reached Sunderland which is a canny achievement as most up here haven’t got an inside bog yet.


Well done “famous Zoe” :yes:

 

[forestzoe]

Well personally I think you turned the tide where the media were just focusing on a single idiot amongst our fanbase.

You've shown everyone that overall the Forest fans have class.

Just own it Zoe

*blushes*

I'll point out it's also had Bristol, Spurs, Wigan and Boro fans donating (that I've seen, there may well be others but the messages have simply been too many to read til I'm off work tomorrow). I know a big Leeds tweeter sent it round, along with alot of Blades fans. My twitter has gone loopy so not had chance to follow them all up.

I've had messages off people that have used the hospice that have had me in tears. Saw a donation from USA earlier also. I have to spend an hour going through my email tomorrow to delete all the donation notifications (900 ish?) as there's been that many I can't even see what normal emails there are (and I'm sposed to have had next week's roster through today )

The donations that have touched me the most (out of the ones I've seen, lots to read yet) are a £3 one and one from a gent with a terminally ill wife. The £3 was anon iirc but it struck me that the person who made it is quite possibly struggling financially atm, and doesn't have much spare cash. But still made a donation. That grabbed the heartstrings.

The gent with the terminally ill wife apologised that he couldn't donate more but was running his own crowdfunding for her. Work called then and I didn't see what for and it then got lost in the sea of comments so I MUST go back and find that one as I go through the comments, cos that had me filling up also, humbled by the fact that in such an awful situation he still donated.

So when I say that each and every one of those deserves legend status and not me, that's why. There's a story behind every single click. Every message. Every retweet. Every last bloody one of them is a legend, and now part of the Forest family, whether they realise it or not.





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[valspoodle]

So many aspects of this story mean something to me. My wife died in a hospice so all my fund raising is for them, they are wonderful.

I worked in Scotland Yard in the mid-60s and there was an incident when a copper named Harry Challenor planted a brick in a protestor's pocket. So many policemen were branded thugs etc by the act of one mad (he was bomkers)idiot. Much as happened the other night.

Good for you Zoe, don't care if you are embarrassed, it was a thoughtful act to try and show we're not all neanderthals and show Billy we care.

 

[Strummer]

So many aspects of this story mean something to me. My wife died in a hospice so all my fund raising is for them, they are wonderful.

I worked in Scotland Yard in the mid-60s and there was an incident when a copper named Harry Challenor planted a brick in a protestor's pocket. So many policemen were branded thugs etc by the act of one mad (he was bomkers)idiot. Much as happened the other night.

Good for you Zoe, don't care if you are embarrassed, it was a thoughtful act to try and show we're not all neanderthals and show Billy we care.

My dad also benefited from Hospice care VP before he passed, hence why I was motivated to donate to Billy Sharp‘s chosen Hospice charity.

We all do what we can, don’t we?

 

[Worsley Red]

It’s been a great thing. I was happy to donate anyway but the hospice cause was an added bonus. My dad died on a Macmillan ward only 4 weeks ago. Just had his funeral on Monday. It’s cool that something so positive can come from something so cretinous.


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[forestzoe]

It’s been a great thing. I was happy to donate anyway but the hospice cause was an added bonus. My dad died on a Macmillan ward only 4 weeks ago. Just had his funeral on Monday. It’s cool that something so positive can come from something so cretinous.


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Sorry for your loss, MacMillan are fantastic

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[Bonalair]

Apparently Port Vale fans are fighting with players? Just going to keep pitch invasions in the news.

Got loads of shit from Everton fans since Tuesday, all on the pitch tonight

 

[gamble]

Apparently Port Vale fans are fighting with players? Just going to keep pitch invasions in the news.

Got loads of shit from Everton fans since Tuesday, all on the pitch tonight

All fan bases are massive hypercrites.

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[GOBIAS]

I’ve watched football about 35 years. I know there was hooliganism back in the day and issues with racial abuse that wouldn’t be tolerated nowadays but I don’t think I’ve ever known football so toxic. Maybe I’m just absent minded as pitch invasions have happened for years but I can’t think of incidents with players like this. Go on the pitch and celebrate, run around, mob your players. I’m not condoning it but goad the away fans a bit But don’t start pulling at players, giving it large, have some respect.

But it isn’t just that, it is the toxicity of the social media posts and conversations. Ok, there is always one giving it in a pub. But you could always chat to other normal football fans about football. Now it is just comments sections full of absolute drivel, people on other teams feeds just giving it large. Unable to chit chat and be civil like you would in a pub or on the bus home.

I do love the tribalism. For me you get in that away end and give it large for 90 mins, but step back out and be a decent football fan again. I still think a lot are like that but I genuinely can’t stand this sort of idiocy it is thoroughly depressing.

 

[BryanRoy22]

I think it's part of society nowadays with the age of the internet. It works its way into football.

I thought things were bad back when I was growing up but we never had social media and it at least felt more genuine.

I believe that's where a lot of the hate comes from.

Very easy to rile or goad other people up online and people are suckers to read things and get emotionally involved.

'All Forest fans are bad. All Sheffield United fans are bad'....Just because of two or three fruitcakes who post from their basement. Stirs it all up.

 

[GOBIAS]

Some of the abuse the players get as well. There has been some good bantz (hate the word but not sure what else to use) over the years between fans and opposition players. Well natured, genuinely funny. I remember watching teams buses coming in and a few verbals flying around but so tame next to todays standards but usually witty things. More recently Gary Rowett went up in my estimation as the trainer thing was quite funny and he played along. I love stuff like that, Gary had a laugh at himself, gave a bit back a few times. Just funny and harmless.

But a lot of it now is just horrific and really scummy.

 

[BryanRoy22]

Some of the abuse the players get as well. There has been some good bantz (hate the word but not sure what else to use) over the years between fans and opposition players. Well natured, genuinely funny. I remember watching teams buses coming in and a few verbals flying around but so tame next to todays standards but usually witty things. More recently Gary Rowett went up in my estimation as the trainer thing was quite funny and he played along. I love stuff like that, Gary had a laugh at himself, gave a bit back a few times. Just funny and harmless.

But a lot of it now is just horrific and really scummy.

People just appear to be more angry, with the last 2.5 years of the pandemic, the government.

Social media posts that they're reading.

There's so much tension building up inside them. It's not excusing their behaviour, but it's trying to find a reason for it.

They don't appear to have much control of themselves these days. Online or otherwise.

 

[HBB]

Right or left they all have the same background and the same sense of superiority over the masses. The political slant is mere semantics the mentality is the same.

Nothing I can say will change your mind I can tell that, but I was a journalist for 20 odd years I worked in TV and radio for the BBC, Sky and freelanced for the likes of ITN, Meridian and Channel 4 didn't work much in papers but I know plenty who did.

I was (am) a council house kid from Bulwell, first in my family to go to Uni, worked f***ing hard to scrape my way into journalism school by working for free at Radio Nottm back in the 90s and while I did/have met my fair share of privileged middle/upper class people in the profession I met just as many whose backgrounds were the same as mine and I've met posh and poor, working class, middle and upper class in all the other sectors I've worked in since.

Not that we went around comparing our social credentials nor did we sit down to lectures from the Illuminati or consider the class angle for any story we covered just so we could stick it to the plebs. There's an editorial agenda in many outlets, its writ large and hardly hidden and you can choose to filter and ignore today in the same way as you could in the 50s, 60s whenever.

I generally refrain from responding when people slander my former profession because its become distressingly common to lump us all together and dismiss us as part of some kind of arm of the state under the thrall of the right wing or the left wing but basically its what it ever was - journalists are the easy enemy of whatever camp in which you plant your flag.

Personally I find your views and your casual assertions as damaging, lazy and ill-informed as they are insulting to the many fine, intelligent and principled people who I've worked with. But as has become increasingly common these days people now see their personal views as "THE" truth, yes they're pierced the veil, discovered the real world... be it anti-vaxxers, Trumpites, holocaust deniers or terrorists... Journalists aren't right all the time but at least we're trying, investigating, looking for the facts, sifting the evidence and are always open to new interpretations and explanations.

I won't say anymore on the subject as it'd be useless. But them again I'm probably still brainwashed by the deep state.

 

[GOBIAS]

People just appear to be more angry, with the last 2.5 years of the pandemic, the government.

Social media posts that they're reading.

There's so much tension building up inside them. It's not excusing their behaviour, but it's trying to find a reason for it.

They don't appear to have much control of themselves these days. Online or otherwise.

Said it before in other sections but there is total lawlessness and lack of decency now in a lot of places. Loads of anger certainly. That doesn’t excuse anything but it has manifested itself in to all manner of situations.

 

[Bonalair]

Nothing I can say will change your mind I can tell that, but I was a journalist for 20 odds years I worked in TV and radio for the BBC, Sky and freelanced for the likes of ITN, Meridian and Channel 4 didn't work much in papers but I know plenty who did.

I was (am) a council house kid from Bulwell, first in my family to go to Uni, worked f***ing hard to scrap my way into journalism school by working for free at Radio Nottm back in the 90s and while I did/have meet my fair share of privileged middle/upper class people in the profession and I met just as many whose backgrounds were the same as mine and I've met posh and poor, working class, middle and upper class in all the other sectors I've worked in since.

Not that we went around comparing our social credentials nor did we sit down to lectures from the Illuminati or consider the class angle for any story we covered just so we could stick it to the plebs. There's an editorial agenda in many outlets, its writ large and hardly hidden and you can choose to filter and ignore today in the same way as you could in the 50s, 60s whenever.

I generally refrain from responding when people slander my former profession because its become distressingly common to lump us all together and dismiss us as part of some kind of arm of the state under the thrall of the right wing or the left wing but basically its what it ever was - journalists are the easy enemy of whatever camp in which you plant your flag.

Personally I find your views and your casual assertions of as damaging, lazy and ill-informed as they are insulting to the many fine, intelligent and principled people who I've worked with.

I won't say anymore on the subject as it'd be useless. But them again I'm probably still brainwashed by the deep state.

Top post. This ‘msm’ bollocks implies there’s a bias one way or the other as a whole (or everyone has such a big agenda there is no truth anywhere) whereas it’s not difficult to work out what the slant of the Mail or the Guardian is really, or to read/watch a few sources to get some balance

Much like refs… everyone thinks it’s biased against them. But when two different sides are calling out the ref (or for example, the BBC) at the same time then it probably means it’s down the middle….

 

[Bryn Gunn]

I think it's part of society nowadays with the age of the internet. It works its way into football.

I thought things were bad back when I was growing up but we never had social media and it at least felt more genuine.

I believe that's where a lot of the hate comes from.

Very easy to rile or goad other people up online and people are suckers to read things and get emotionally involved.

'All Forest fans are bad. All Sheffield United fans are bad'....Just because of two or three fruitcakes who post from their basement. Stirs it all up.

Spot on.

Port Vale fans attack Swindon players tonight, Forest fan assaults Sheff Utd player, Huddersfield fan slaps Luton player in the face, Northampton fan runs on pitch with a flare during play…

Need to go on?

It’s throughout society.

 

[Tricky Tourist]

We do have a tendency to view what happened the other night, and other eruptions of the "English Disease," as evidence of a society in meltdown. Perhaps that's true, but violence by sports fans has been occurring for at least two thousands years. There are accounts of rioting fans at Roman chariot races and, much nearer home, at a Forest game in the early 1900s, I forget which, the referee and opposition players were chased off the pitch by incandescent Forest supporters. Circuses, particularly football, have always given societies outlets to divert rage and frustration away from the real causes of distress, and the recriminations and soul-searching that follow help to reassert normalcy and social cohesion again, until it inevitably unravels once more. I think it's important to think about these things historically as well as in their immediate context.

 

[Carlos]

Nothing I can say will change your mind I can tell that, but I was a journalist for 20 odd years I worked in TV and radio for the BBC, Sky and freelanced for the likes of ITN, Meridian and Channel 4 didn't work much in papers but I know plenty who did.

I was (am) a council house kid from Bulwell, first in my family to go to Uni, worked f***ing hard to scrape my way into journalism school by working for free at Radio Nottm back in the 90s and while I did/have met my fair share of privileged middle/upper class people in the profession I met just as many whose backgrounds were the same as mine and I've met posh and poor, working class, middle and upper class in all the other sectors I've worked in since.

Not that we went around comparing our social credentials nor did we sit down to lectures from the Illuminati or consider the class angle for any story we covered just so we could stick it to the plebs. There's an editorial agenda in many outlets, its writ large and hardly hidden and you can choose to filter and ignore today in the same way as you could in the 50s, 60s whenever.

I generally refrain from responding when people slander my former profession because its become distressingly common to lump us all together and dismiss us as part of some kind of arm of the state under the thrall of the right wing or the left wing but basically its what it ever was - journalists are the easy enemy of whatever camp in which you plant your flag.

Personally I find your views and your casual assertions as damaging, lazy and ill-informed as they are insulting to the many fine, intelligent and principled people who I've worked with. But as has become increasingly common these days people now see their personal views as "THE" truth, yes they're pierced the veil, discovered the real world... be it anti-vaxxers, Trumpites, holocaust deniers or terrorists... Journalists aren't right all the time but at least we're trying, investigating, looking for the facts, sifting the evidence and are always open to new interpretations and explanations.

I won't say anymore on the subject as it'd be useless. But them again I'm probably still brainwashed by the deep state.

I'm being genuine here rather than the sarcastic bell whiff I usually am. This is a fantastic post mate

 

[gamble]

Spot on.

Port Vale fans attack Swindon players tonight, Forest fan assaults Sheff Utd player, Huddersfield fan slaps Luton player in the face, Northampton fan runs on pitch with a flare during play…

Need to go on?

It’s throughout society.

Viera kicked a fan who was giving him the double bird in his face.

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[Bonalair]

Said it before in other sections but there is total lawlessness and lack of decency now in a lot of places. Loads of anger certainly. That doesn’t excuse anything but it has manifested itself in to all manner of situations.

People get angry when their lives are a bit shit. They don’t even have to recognise it. Plus for a while from school age up there seems to be a disconnect between actions and consequences. People seem surprised when they get pulled for doing something that there is actually some laws they’re supposed to abide with.

Add in alcohol and coke and it’s a bit of a nightmare

 

[Dirk Furtull]

Has it? I did a short zoom call for itv.(looking as rough as owt as I'd just got in from work after being up since 4, and he wouldn't wait, complete with helmet hair ), and I've seen the mentions people have posted in the charity thread. Donations have calmed down tonight

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As a motorcyclist I've suffered from helmet hair, fortunately some cream from the Dr soon sorted it.

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[HBB]

My take on all this for what its worth is that since the 80's we've atomised as a society, many people have become less and less part of a society, group, class.... we've lost a lot of the ties that bound us together and consequentially lost a lot of the norms and informal rules that were once common and helped society function and people navigate the accepted rules of behaviour.

Some of this has been good, we don't shame people for babies outside of wedlock, we don't believe its acceptable to expel those who are different, we've become more tolerant.... however for some this has cast them adrift they don't know how think or act and have little consideration for others. In the absence of consideration of others, their own sense of self importance is unchecked, in short they lack empathy and its all about them. No-one can/should tell them what to do, what they think is right, they mistake they fear they generate as giving them legitimacy. Many I think just enjoy it.

Look at matey last night who ran in to Billy Sharp. In a way its not about running in to Billy Sharp, it started hours before that. A person who is aware of other's feelings, considers the results of their actions and their effect on people around them (maybe even a sense of shame or responsibility especially at the age of 31) might stop to think "should I not have 6 pints before a game?" that others might not want a leery pisshead mouthing off around them, that there might be kids present, that maybe people might think he's a dick.

This is the kind of thinking I find lacking in many people today. Its not new, its not specific to this generation but it certainly seems to be more potent than ever and it is a worrying trend.

 

[Coop’s learning curve.]

My take on all this for what its worth is that since the 80's we've atomised as a society, many people have become less and less part of a society, group, class.... we've lost a lot of the ties that bound us together and consequentially lost a lot of the norms and informal rules that were once common and helped society function and people navigate the accepted rules of behaviour.

Some of this has been good, we don't shame people for babies outside of wedlock, we don't believe its acceptable to expel those who are different, we've become more tolerant.... however for some this has cast them adrift they don't know how think or act and have little consideration for others. In the absence of consideration of others, their own sense of self importance is unchecked, in short they lack empathy and its all about them. No-one can/should tell them what to do, what they think is right, they mistake they fear they generate as giving them legitimacy. Many I think just enjoy it.

Look at matey last night who ran in to Billy Sharp. In a way its not about running in to Billy Sharp, it started hours before that. A person who is aware of other's feelings, considers the results of their actions and their effect on people around them (maybe even a sense of shame or responsibility especially at the age of 31) might stop to think "should I not have 6 pints before a game?" that others might not want a leery pisshead mouthing off around them, that there might be kids present, that maybe people might think he's a dick.

This is the kind of thinking I find lacking in many people today. Its not new, its not specific to this generation but it certainly seems to be more potent than ever and it is a worrying trend.

I'm a devout misanthrope, it saves hassle and I'm never disappointed. As a species we're an aberration at best. Can't be arsed.

 

[IJPS]

Its unfortunate but people feel much safer to write what they want behind computer screens. Hence all the hate that people receive/get over social media platforms.
Were anonymous, so one can say what one wants as "IJPS" with little chance of aanysignificant consequences.
I've read some stuff on this website which I struggle to believe anyone would be brave enough to say it to someone's face in a pub or workplace or even on the street.
Its like when a lot of people go abroad on holidays, with the mentality that they can do what they want as in 1 weeks ti e they'll go back to their regular lives and that's that.
If within social media some sort of real ID verification system was in place, and people could be held accountable, it would cut out so much crap,

 

[Strummer]

Nothing I can say will change your mind I can tell that, but I was a journalist for 20 odd years I worked in TV and radio for the BBC, Sky and freelanced for the likes of ITN, Meridian and Channel 4 didn't work much in papers but I know plenty who did.

I was (am) a council house kid from Bulwell, first in my family to go to Uni, worked f***ing hard to scrape my way into journalism school by working for free at Radio Nottm back in the 90s and while I did/have met my fair share of privileged middle/upper class people in the profession I met just as many whose backgrounds were the same as mine and I've met posh and poor, working class, middle and upper class in all the other sectors I've worked in since.

Not that we went around comparing our social credentials nor did we sit down to lectures from the Illuminati or consider the class angle for any story we covered just so we could stick it to the plebs. There's an editorial agenda in many outlets, its writ large and hardly hidden and you can choose to filter and ignore today in the same way as you could in the 50s, 60s whenever.

I generally refrain from responding when people slander my former profession because its become distressingly common to lump us all together and dismiss us as part of some kind of arm of the state under the thrall of the right wing or the left wing but basically its what it ever was - journalists are the easy enemy of whatever camp in which you plant your flag.

Personally I find your views and your casual assertions as damaging, lazy and ill-informed as they are insulting to the many fine, intelligent and principled people who I've worked with. But as has become increasingly common these days people now see their personal views as "THE" truth, yes they're pierced the veil, discovered the real world... be it anti-vaxxers, Trumpites, holocaust deniers or terrorists... Journalists aren't right all the time but at least we're trying, investigating, looking for the facts, sifting the evidence and are always open to new interpretations and explanations.

I won't say anymore on the subject as it'd be useless. But them again I'm probably still brainwashed by the deep state.

Brilliant post HBB.

I have always considered journalists as responsible for keeping the state in check.

Of course, some media outlets are bought and paid for by the same money that buys politicians, but others still retain their independence and mission.

Look at some major stories that have come out in recent years - the revelations of Edward Snowden (a subject close to my heart as it’s my field), the Panama Papers, the Windrush scandal - who exposed those stories?

Journalists.

It’s all well and good folk sitting in their pants in their basement with a tinfoil hat on telling everyone the world is run by a cabal of corrupt lizard people or something, but there are at least a few out there dedicated to exposing the truth.