Bob Fossil
Nottingham's dirty secret
Yeah cuz the Greeks have a history of making a massive loss on players that have done really well.......
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Ibrahim Sangaré
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Robertson
Viv Anderson
Ok, well enough to get £15-20m for
Bob Fossil
Nottingham's dirty secret
You think Big E will accept a 50% loss on a player that's done well?
Are you new to this club/regime?
Robertson
Viv Anderson
Whatever, it was idle speculation
Listen 'ere young man
Jack Burkitt
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Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
I reckon half his pass completion stats were giving it back to Murillo.
I jest - interesting stats.
Redemption
Agenda Benda
It's not his passing that's the problem surely? It's his lack of press resistance because he shows the ball too much, imho.
Robertson
Viv Anderson
Sangare as a defensive midfielder with both MGW and Dominguez slightly ahead of him with a license to get forward could be worth a try.
Listen 'ere young man
Jack Burkitt
Possession lost:
Sangare 13
Yates 8
MGW 20
Wharton 12
Lerma 9
Eze 26
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Sangare 13
Yates 8
MGW 20
Wharton 12
Lerma 9
Eze 26
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Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
He can pass well, though he shoed a stinker or two on sat.
Ironically press resistance was apparently one of the main reasons we wanted him (along with his distance passing) - in his Toulouse days he was apparently very good at keeping the ball in tight spaces and shifting it forward.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
Thing is that high risk actions are always more likely to result in loss of possession. Eze was constantly taking us on and one would expect a fair amount of those duels to be won by the defence.
You could apply a similar argument to MGW though some of his passing is simply sloppy and he hasn't thought where the player he is passing to might have gone or simply not clear who that was anyway.
I guess the actual point there is that the combined figure is around the same for both teams. Simply goes to show what happens when you have two midfields which don't dominate the play at all. Though in their case they are putting a lot of trust in a very inexperienced teenage lad who they have just signed from the division below, promising as he is.
Listen 'ere young man
Jack Burkitt
Sangare's was over 45 mins though.
Yes MGW losing possession maybe isn't going to hurt as much as a CDM could and players like him and Eze need to try the adventurous to pull off something which can result in a goal.
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Cureboy
Viv Anderson
Didn't see what all the fuss was about before he signed for us and I am certainly not impressed watching him this season. Never plays a forward pass. Slow. More suited to Serie A. It's F uckin Freuler all over again.
I am not convinced he has what it takes to make it in the Prem.
We'd be lucky to get £15 million if we sold him though I reckon. Bad signing.
I am not convinced he has what it takes to make it in the Prem.
We'd be lucky to get £15 million if we sold him though I reckon. Bad signing.
And, as I never will tire of repeating, the club were then forced to get rid of Orel Mangala, who is an infinitely better player at the moment.
Malwood
Geoff Thomas
That Stats guy said Sangare wasn't the biggest issue with the first half performance. I'd be interested to know what his stats say was the biggest one amongst all the various issues.
Lack of ambition, would be my guess.
Col Steve Austin
Viv Anderson
To be fair, there were glowing reports from other sources too, there was at least one article in the Athletic saying how great he is.
The problem is they're all based on stats, the old fashioned eye test seems to be out of the window, but it's the eye test that shows Sangare will never make it in the Prem. The languid style never succeeds. Veron is the perfect example, brilliant at Lazio, even pretty good for the Mancs in Europe, but couldn't hack it in the premier league.
Edit, here:
Forest chased Sangare for 18 months - but how will he fit in?
Ibrahim Sangare was Nottingham Forest's No 1 target this summer — there is a sense signing him is a coup for the club
theathletic.com
"He was the one that Forest wanted for some time, and within football, it’s regarded as a coup that they got him."
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
What I find interesting is that the way we played on Saturday, the reason we perceived that we allowed Mangala to go (that being he was perhaps not progressive enough in his passing) is exactly what both midfielders playing displayed. And they were worse under pressure. Ho hum!
PynchonForest
John Robertson
I think his ability to win the ball , particularly by interception, is good. But his decision making is rough, and guys who make poor decisions in the center of the park, in any league, are a liability. People are always complaining about sideways passes, but if nothing presents itself a sideways or backwards pass is a wise decision. Forcing low percentage balls in the middle of the park is never going to make a team operate well. If a winger losses a ball in the attacking third, who gives a shit? But middle of park turnovers are almost always a pretty big problem immediately afterwards.
Dirk Furtull
John Robertson
Looks like a player who inadvertently finds himself playing in a division way above his ability. Gave the ball away constantly and looked laboured all half.
Despite my reservations of Nuno, at least even he could see it wasn't working. A massive improvement is required for Sangare to start again for us. I had high hopes, it's a shame how it's worked out.
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Despite my reservations of Nuno, at least even he could see it wasn't working. A massive improvement is required for Sangare to start again for us. I had high hopes, it's a shame how it's worked out.
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isaacs
Viv Anderson
Edit, here:
Forest chased Sangare for 18 months - but how will he fit in?
Ibrahim Sangare was Nottingham Forest's No 1 target this summer — there is a sense signing him is a coup for the club
"He was the one that Forest wanted for some time, and within football, it’s regarded as a coup that they got him."
Theres a line in that article that perfectly sums up my thoughts about his transfer and why he is having a tough time:
"Forest aren’t going to turn into a super-attacking, free-flowing, passing team anytime soon. Maybe in the future, but for the first half of this season at the very least, they will probably stick to the counter-attacking side that served them pretty well against Arsenal, Manchester United and Chelsea.
Sangare will be a key part of that. His job will be to win the ball and get it forward as quickly as possible, to make Forest as ‘vertical’ as they can be — ie, there won’t be much slow build-up, passing from side-to-side and so on."
I'm positive that the reason why we were after him for 18 months was because he suited our style of play perfectly. Defending deep with rapid counter attacks set up by a player with the exact qualities of Sangare. But as soon as he came we started to transition to becoming a 4-3-3 and while he was alongside Mangala and Dominguez, i personally thought he was quietly doing some very important work that wasn't getting enough praise. Mind you he didn't keep it going because of injuries, AFCON and a change in formation but he certainly didnt look like a player who deserved the abuse he's currently getting.
The problem with him at the moment is that he's really exposed playing in the 4-2-3-1. If and when he loses it we're in deep shit, but because of the change in our style of play he no longer has a) fast counter attacking opportunities or b) the choice of two midfielders alongside him to tip the ball to in order for them to progress up the pitch (Mangala, Dominguez).
I hope the lad plays tomorrow and smashes one in from 35 yards to get our fanbase back onside, he will come good, its about playing to his strengths and if that means a switch to a 4-3-3 with MGW coming in as an attacking number 8 then so be it. MGW is a really capable player from deep and it might actually make us more creative and a bit more unpredictable.
'at the moment', he along with our other midfielders were criticised so much last season. Sangare will come good but forest needs to survive this season first. Nuno (and sangare) needs a pre season where nuno can get his own players in , work on his ideas fresh start without the distraction of ffp, relegation midpoint through to the season.
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
Buy more players?
Ship out more players.
When will we get a settled squad?
I feel estranged from my team because of the transient nature of everyone concerned with it.
Clough & Taylor brought in a small number each season, but worked mainly with a sizeable core.
They got the best out of the resources, and I felt we were a special family Club.
Ship out more players.
When will we get a settled squad?
I feel estranged from my team because of the transient nature of everyone concerned with it.
Clough & Taylor brought in a small number each season, but worked mainly with a sizeable core.
They got the best out of the resources, and I felt we were a special family Club.
Red Dog in a Forest
Viv Anderson
I like the idea.
When he partners with Yates it just isn’t creative enough. They haven’t scored or assisted once this season.
I’m not sure Sangare deserves to start any time soon, but since Nuno came in, he’s got 5 points in 3 starts (4 games in total).
Plus, he’s had a lot of things that go against him.
Late in the window, price tag / expectation, new country, new language, new league, CM or DM, change in formation, change in manager, AFCON, wins it, PSR…relegation battle.
That is one hell of a first season!
He doesn’t currently look good enough, so I think fitness should be his primary goal.
I think he still holds value, with different leagues / teams having other expectations / suitability, if he ultimately proves the wrong fit.
Robertson
Viv Anderson
On the topic of players settling in to new clubs, I heard Darren Fletcher going on about how “incredible” it was that Declan Rice had settled into the Arsenal team so quickly. Yeah right, he literally probably didn’t even have to move house, and there was a big Declan Rice shaped hole in an already very good team. He’s had a good season, but jeez.